Dr Z exposes Pats...great read from SI

[MSGold12]

There was a bit more but this is the relevant part....

Sure, people cheat in sports. In baseball they steal signals. In football they bring in a guy for a week, someone who was just cut by the team they're going to play, pump him for information and let him go on Monday. They'll even plant spies at each other's practices.

But the things that make this Patriots flap so bothersome are the following:

[Green DNA]

Wow, just wow. I hope Goodell is aware of half of the crap flying around on this issue. I understand that you cannot increase the severity of a punishment based upon hearsay, but the Patriots appear to have been involved in systemic cheating for years.

[i remember shea]

There was a bit more but this is the relevant part....

Sure, people cheat in sports. In baseball they steal signals. In football they bring in a guy for a week, someone who was just cut by the team they're going to play, pump him for information and let him go on Monday. They'll even plant spies at each other's practices.

But the things that make this Patriots flap so bothersome are the following:

[Arsis]

There was a bit more but this is the relevant part....

Sure, people cheat in sports. In baseball they steal signals. In football they bring in a guy for a week, someone who was just cut by the team they're going to play, pump him for information and let him go on Monday. They'll even plant spies at each other's practices.

But the things that make this Patriots flap so bothersome are the following:

[CoachTsurfing]

It taints their superbowl championship for sure. I feel bad for players that had no clue, or had to just shut up and take it. For others like Vrabel, they are a piece of you know what.

[flgreen]

Now there is an idea for punishment.

Have Lil Bill put in stocks in the Meadowlands parking lot 2 hours before the next home game, to be abused by drunken fans as the enter the stadium.

What Fun

[Bob]

How does a public flogging and some time in the stocks sound?

Like Saturday afternoon in the JN Moderators lounge.

[RSJ]

Great read.

There have been so many good sources coming out about this I just can't even keep up. Thanks for posting this.

[CobraVerde]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/dr_z/09/13/cheating/index.html?eref=T1

you gotta read the whole article. its really crazy to hear how the Jets have had to deal with cheating since the days of Joe Willie...crazy.

A fine, A pick, and a forfiet...

[nyjetsjetsjets]

now the pats messed up their opponents headsets? what the hell.

[NIGHT STALKER]

I just read that entire article. Are they trying to make some Jet fans like myself commit a felon? Everyday since this story broke my anger towards that organization gets worse...their fans included. Why their fans? Well, thanks to message boards like this where these ball busting Patsie fans come and spew their "we're better than anyone" attitude.

You know, I'm a transplanted New Yorker and I've lived in Florida since September of 1970...Shula's first year with the fins. I grew a hatred for that team that went way beyond just a friendly confrontation with fin fans...I'm talking about physical brawls in the 70's and 80's...I was even ejected from the old Orange Bowl back in '73. But, this cheating thing with the Pats is way beyond anything with the fins...way beyond.

Yeah, I know, it's only a game, but when you come home from Vietnam back in April of '69 and are looking forward to seeing Joe Willie win a few more only to be disappointed, it gets to you. I've been waiting all these years...it's tough. You give your time, money, family members passing away and you have to contend with a team that cheats now? No way...sorry...and I'm trying to be calm as I type this. It's tough...I loaded two of my buddies on a medevac chopper out of the A Shau Valley that day the Jets won...they were KIA on the day I was supposed to be real happy about my Jets...I'll never forget.

I earned my right (I'm sure a lot of us have) to be really pissed at this...I won't forget this either.

[joebabyny]

I just read that entire article. Are they trying to make some Jet fans like myself commit a felon? Everyday since this story broke my anger towards that organization gets worse...their fans included. Why their fans? Well, thanks to message boards like this where these ball busting Patsie fans come and spew their "we're better than anyone" attitude.

You know, I'm a transplanted New Yorker and I've lived in Florida since September of 1970...Shula's first year with the fins. I grew a hatred for that team that went way beyond just a friendly confrontation with fin fans...I'm talking about physical brawls in the 70's and 80's...I was even ejected from the old Orange Bowl back in '73. But, this cheating thing with the Pats is way beyond anything with the fins...way beyond.

Yeah, I know, it's only a game, but when you come home from Vietnam back in April of '69 and are looking forward to seeing Joe Willie win a few more only to be disappointed, it gets to you. I've been waiting all these years...it's tough. You give your time, money, family members passing away and you have to contend with a team that cheats now? No way...sorry...and I'm trying to be calm as I type this. It's tough...I loaded two of my buddies on a medevac chopper out of the A Shau Valley that day the Jets won...they were KIA on the day I was supposed to be real happy about my Jets...I'll never forget.

I earned my right (I'm sure a lot of us have) to be really pissed at this...I won't forget this either.

Dude, not to make light of your situation or make a joke out of what you feel, but seriously, this has the beginnings of a great suspense/thriller movie, way better then that crappy deniro baseball movie The Fan. Get writing!

[GimmeShelter]

Well I sure the hell hope that article convinces anyone on the fence that this crap has been going on for sometime.

What a piece of crap he is.

[Arsis]

I just read that entire article. Are they trying to make some Jet fans like myself commit a felon? Everyday since this story broke my anger towards that organization gets worse...their fans included. Why their fans? Well, thanks to message boards like this where these ball busting Patsie fans come and spew their "we're better than anyone" attitude.

You know, I'm a transplanted New Yorker and I've lived in Florida since September of 1970...Shula's first year with the fins. I grew a hatred for that team that went way beyond just a friendly confrontation with fin fans...I'm talking about physical brawls in the 70's and 80's...I was even ejected from the old Orange Bowl back in '73. But, this cheating thing with the Pats is way beyond anything with the fins...way beyond.

Yeah, I know, it's only a game, but when you come home from Vietnam back in April of '69 and are looking forward to seeing Joe Willie win a few more only to be disappointed, it gets to you. I've been waiting all these years...it's tough. You give your time, money, family members passing away and you have to contend with a team that cheats now? No way...sorry...and I'm trying to be calm as I type this. It's tough...I loaded two of my buddies on a medevac chopper out of the A Shau Valley that day the Jets won...they were KIA on the day I was supposed to be real happy about my Jets...I'll never forget.

I earned my right (I'm sure a lot of us have) to be really pissed at this...I won't forget this either.

In all seriousness, you get the hardware and I'm right behind you on a raid of foxboro.

[L.I.MikeBleedsGreen]

I just read that entire article. Are they trying to make some Jet fans like myself commit a felon? Everyday since this story broke my anger towards that organization gets worse...their fans included. Why their fans? Well, thanks to message boards like this where these ball busting Patsie fans come and spew their "we're better than anyone" attitude.

You know, I'm a transplanted New Yorker and I've lived in Florida since September of 1970...Shula's first year with the fins. I grew a hatred for that team that went way beyond just a friendly confrontation with fin fans...I'm talking about physical brawls in the 70's and 80's...I was even ejected from the old Orange Bowl back in '73. But, this cheating thing with the Pats is way beyond anything with the fins...way beyond.

Yeah, I know, it's only a game, but when you come home from Vietnam back in April of '69 and are looking forward to seeing Joe Willie win a few more only to be disappointed, it gets to you. I've been waiting all these years...it's tough. You give your time, money, family members passing away and you have to contend with a team that cheats now? No way...sorry...and I'm trying to be calm as I type this. It's tough...I loaded two of my buddies on a medevac chopper out of the A Shau Valley that day the Jets won...they were KIA on the day I was supposed to be real happy about my Jets...I'll never forget.

I earned my right (I'm sure a lot of us have) to be really pissed at this...I won't forget this either.

POTW NOM

[RSJ]

POTW NOM

Good call. POTW nom.

[NIGHT STALKER]

Dude, not to make light of your situation or make a joke out of what you feel, but seriously, this has the beginnings of a great suspense/thriller movie, way better then that crappy deniro baseball movie The Fan. Get writing!

Joe, I didn't mean to get dramatic on everyone, but you have to understand or at least try where I'm coming from. I was an Army Ranger with the 101st A/B and we were in a fierce confrontation with the NVA for months leading up to "Hamburger Hill" battle that happened in May of '69. I didn't find out the Jets won the championship until I was choppered off of that hill...three days later.

[bitonti]

Everyday since this story broke my anger towards that organization gets worse...their fans included. Why their fans? Well, thanks to message boards like this where these ball busting Patsie fans come and spew their "we're better than anyone" attitude.

i agree and let me add, I went up to Foxboro for the playoff loss last season and was abused to an extreme extent. It actually got to the point where I was glad the Jets were losing because I would have probably been beaten up had they won. Poor winners and even worse losers, the Pats fans are terrible as a group. Jets fans might be disgusting and classless but we aren't jerks and don't think we are better than anyone else.

I have been surfing Pats message boards to see how they are reacting to this, and let me tell you, don't go there unless you want to get angrier. They are all in various forms of denial, anger and bargaining. it's disgraceful.

[drago]

now the pats messed up their opponents headsets? what the hell.

i think that is the craziest one. are you kidding? you can't stop them so you turn off their headsets? i notice they only do it when they need it too. Last year the Lions were up big against the Pats, you don't think Detroit needed that win? What an absolute joke, they are holding their finger over all the teams in the league based on cheating.

This pisses me off to no end. The Lions deserved that win last year, and they didn't get it because BB can turn off a REAL offensive genius' head set.

this really pisses me off.

[joebabyny]

Joe, I didn't mean to get dramatic on everyone, but you have to understand or at least try where I'm coming from. I was an Army Ranger with the 101st A/B and we were in a fierce confrontation with the NVA for months leading up to "Hamburger Hill" battle that happened in May of '69. I didn't find out the Jets won the championship until I was choppered off of that hill...three days later.

yeah dude, i totally get that, and i understand where you are coming from. I am saying, what you have is a great backstory for an interesting hollywood thriller. I am not discounting what you went through.

Hardcore jets fan gets drafted just as his team is on the verge of greatness, he is pulled from the world and dumped in the Sh#t, he is disconnected from the world and the sport he loves, maybe he played highschool ball, had a shot at college and the pros, when his passion, his team, reaches glory he is disconnected and unaware as he is going through the loss and hell of war, only to see that he is repaid by missing the one thing he cares about. BLAHBLAHBLAH time goes on, jets debacle after debacle has led to a fan with such blackness and hatred in his heart that right when it looks like they are knocking on glory's door again, he is robbed, this time by the coach of the team most despised by jets fans, and the team that is todays modern dynasty. He decides to exact revenge for being robbed and having the only thing left in life he cares about stolen from him again, blahblahblah some very methodical, twisted, and exciting retribution is meeted out to the offending coach and team, blahblahblahblah the team finally gets back to the SB, but our hero(or villian) is not there yet again as he is forced to listen to the radio coming from the guard station in his cell block announcing the win.

The story has holes, especially the second half, and it is cheesey, but i think it could be a cool movie, at least as good as The Fan or any other stalker-type movie.

[flgreen]

I understand that you cannot increase the severity of a punishment based upon hearsay,

Oh yes you can.

Don't forget this is not a court of law. The same paramaters don't apply. Remember Pacman was never convicted of a crime, he was just a fool who was embarrassing the league.

If ole 23 YO Pacman was handed a one year suspension for acting like a tool, don't you think Goodell is going to hammer Lil Bill and the Pats for embarrassing the league by cheating in multiple games?

Bill is not the most popular dude in the league. I'm sure the Commis phone has been ringing since this story broke.

Now we are going to find out if Goodell is just a bully when it comes to punishing 23 year old kids, or is he going to smack the powerful and gloryius ones up in NE.

If he doesn't hammer them, do you think the NFLPA is going to continue helping him in his crackdown of the young players, if the owners and coaches get away with cheating?

Don't think so.

[drago]

Oh yes you can.

Don't forget this is not a court of law. The same paramaters don't apply. Remember Pacman was never convicted of a crime, he was just a fool who was embarrassing the league.

If ole 23 YO Pacman was handed a one year suspension for acting like a tool, don't you think Goodell is going to hammer Lil Bill and the Pats for embarrassing the league by cheating in multiple games?

Bill is not the most popular dude in the league. I'm sure the Commis phone has been ringing since this story broke.

Now we are going to find out if Goodell is just a bully when it comes to punishing 23 year old kids, or is he going to smack the powerful and gloryius ones up in NE.

If he doesn't hammer them, do you think the NFLPA is going to continue helping him in his crackdown of the young players, if the owners and coaches get away with cheating?

Don't think so.

POTW nom, especially for the bolded section. I really hope you are right about the players association.

[raffyD]

yeah dude, i totally get that, and i understand where you are coming from. I am saying, what you have is a great backstory for an interesting hollywood thriller. I am not discounting what you went through.

Hardcore jets fan gets drafted just as his team is on the verge of greatness, he is pulled from the world and dumped in the Sh#t, he is disconnected from the world and the sport he loves, maybe he played highschool ball, had a shot at college and the pros, when his passion, his team, reaches glory he is disconnected and unaware as he is going through the loss and hell of war, only to see that he is repaid by missing the one thing he cares about. BLAHBLAHBLAH time goes on, jets debacle after debacle has led to a fan with such blackness and hatred in his heart that right when it looks like they are knocking on glory's door again, he is robbed, this time by the coach of the team most despised by jets fans, and the team that is todays modern dynasty. He decides to exact revenge for being robbed and having the only thing left in life he cares about stolen from him again, blahblahblah some very methodical, twisted, and exciting retribution is meeted out to the offending coach and team, blahblahblahblah the team finally gets back to the SB, but our hero(or villian) is not there yet again as he is forced to listen to the radio coming from the guard station in his cell block announcing the win.

The story has holes, especially the second half, and it is cheesey, but i think it could be a cool movie, at least as good as The Fan or any other stalker-type movie.

That was pretty good, ever think about making movies?

[joebabyny]

That was pretty good, ever think about making movies?

lol, it always came kinda easy to me to write, but never thought about actually doing anything constructive with it.

[Smizzy]

Anybody who says BB and the Patriots aren't a bunch of cheating ****s is lying.

Nobody is happier right now than Rodney Harrison

[MasonJet]

Beli-scumbag.

[SoFlaJets]

so what's the count up to now?

Jets

Steelers

Lions

Bengals

Bucs

who am I missing?

[NIGHT STALKER]

so what's the count up to now?

Jets

Steelers

Lions

Bengals

Bucs

who am I missing?

Who are you missing?

Everyone they've played since they started their phoney championship run. That's why Sean Sorrysbury makes me sick. He's got the nuts to say Belly was a HOF coach before this happended........HELLOOOOO! He wasn't a HOF coach before this happened...that's the whole point Sean. How far back does this go? He sure wasn't a HOF coach prior to coming to Cheatertown...not even close.

[SoFlaJets]

Who are you missing?

Everyone they've played since they started their phoney championship run. That's why Sean Sorrysbury makes me sick. He's got the nuts to say Belly was a HOF coach before this happended........HELLOOOOO! He wasn't a HOF coach before this happened...that's the whole point Sean. How far back does this go? He sure wasn't a HOF coach prior to coming to Cheatertown...not even close.

he was a below .500 coach for the Browns-oh yea I forgot the Chargers

Belichick should be banned from the game

[NIGHT STALKER]

he was a below .500 coach for the Browns-oh yea I forgot the Chargers

Belichick should be banned from the game

I think he should be thrown into a pit of rapid Jets fans instead of pitbulls...we'll make Michael Vick seem like a boyscout.

[Iceman88]

so what's the count up to now?

Jets

Steelers

Lions

Bengals

Bucs

who am I missing?

Packers, Colts, Broncos, Bills.

[serphnx]

There's really no defense left. It's amazing though that the NFL is full of so many chumps and the league didn't do anything earlier.

[SoFlaJets]

Packers, Colts, Broncos, Bills.

Sam Wise just reminded me about Jacksonville and Del Rio's head set complaints

[crackbackblock]

One thing mentioned on the radio this morning was what if the Pats actually bugged the visiting locker room and coaches offices. With all this flying about and the snowball getting bigger every few hours it is not far fetched.

In that SI story great bit about Weeb throwing that Davis butt buddy off the bus in the middle of the highway. Classic.

[The Troll]

Can Paul Zimmerman win POTW?