SoFlaJets Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 he's on now on SNY...so there it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangenious420 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 We better beat Miami. It's really that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Chad looked good VS NE... so I think this is the right move... let Chad lose the job WITHOUT injury being the reason... it puts less pressure on Kellen and its the right thing to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWinsChampionships Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 I have always supported Chad, and will continue to do so... But I kinda wanna see what Kellen has next week vs the Dolphins after that 4th Quarter that he put up vs the Ravens... Im really starting to like what I see in Kellen, and I hope we gets another shot next week, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinnys025 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Yes, Chad is the starting qb, however KC WILL come in if Chad yucks it up at any time in the season. I dont think Mangini will be so reluctant anymore after watching this performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 No, Mangini. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_Eps Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Horrible move. 200 yards in ONE QUARTER from Clemens and you go back to Chad? Come on, this is a disgrace move if it is true. Though, this might be good. Mangini might be just trying to confuse the Dolphins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Horrible move. 200 yards in ONE QUARTER from Clemens and you go back to Chad? Come on, this is a disgrace move if it is true. Though, this might be good. Mangini might be just trying to confuse the Dolphins. Welll the catch is... that its when he is healthy... Mangini could just say that Chad isnt 100% next week... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damaged89 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Chad looked good VS NE... so I think this is the right move... let Chad lose the job WITHOUT injury being the reason... it puts less pressure on Kellen and its the right thing to do I actually agree with you on this one. This gives Clemens more time to develop and once the QB switch takes place it will definitely be permanent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbok Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 we will beat miami....and chad is the best choice...don't be homers after 1 quarter guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 I may be giving Mangini too much credit, but think of it this way: Let's say we stuck with Clemens. Let's say he has a bad game - I don't mean statistically; I mean he particularly looks bad. The calls to put Chad back in will be loud & justified. Now say we go back to Chad. If he plays great, then great. The next game that looks anything remotely like the Jax or Chi game last year & Mangini (1) doesn't have to let Chad finish it up and (2) it's far less of a controversy. It's not really like chess. Chess pieces don't have personalities, favorites, loyalty, etc. Players do. And it must be considered. But I don't think it would be quite the same problem as it would have been without such an impressive performance to close out the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Yes Eric, Chad is your starter for now. We know this. For now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 I may be giving Mangini too much credit, but think of it this way: Let's say we stuck with Clemens. Let's say he has a bad game - I don't mean statistically; I mean he particularly looks bad. The calls to put Chad back in will be loud & justified. Now say we go back to Chad. If he plays great, then great. The next game that looks anything remotely like the Jax or Chi game last year & Mangini (1) doesn't have to let Chad finish it up and (2) it's far less of a controversy. It's not really like chess. Chess pieces don't have personalities, favorites, loyalty, etc. Players do. And it must be considered. But I don't think it would be quite the same problem as it would have been without such an impressive performance to close out the game. Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 I agree with Sperm, although that's a pretty cowardly way to go about it. Shanahan put Cutler in over Plummer, who had been a winner for them, and didn't look back. Cutler did have good fan and team support though, so perhaps that's what Mangini is betting will happen. If CP has a bad game, he is done as a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Dear, Mangini SHOW SOME BALLS AND BENCH THE VET FOR THE KID. Signed, Jets fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 for the first time in 2 years i actually think mangini is in over his head. qb controversy no turnovers no sacks all of this from a supposed defensive specialist. life with mangini is pretty similar to life with herm. still cant stop the run and still cant win the big game against a tough defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damaged89 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 for the first time in 2 years i actually think mangini is in over his head. qb controversy no turnovers no sacks all of this from a supposed defensive specialist. life with mangini is pretty similar to life with herm. still cant stop the run and still cant win the big game against a tough defense. The defense needs time. We're running a 3-4 with 4-3 players. I think it's going to be at least one or two more solid drafts before the defense is where it needs to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 I may be giving Mangini too much credit, but think of it this way: Let's say we stuck with Clemens. Let's say he has a bad game - I don't mean statistically; I mean he particularly looks bad. The calls to put Chad back in will be loud & justified. Now say we go back to Chad. If he plays great, then great. The next game that looks anything remotely like the Jax or Chi game last year & Mangini (1) doesn't have to let Chad finish it up and (2) it's far less of a controversy. It's not really like chess. Chess pieces don't have personalities, favorites, loyalty, etc. Players do. And it must be considered. But I don't think it would be quite the same problem as it would have been without such an impressive performance to close out the game. Sperm is correct. I love how Clemens played but Chad is a player chosen captain of this team. While this would be an easy move to make in Madden, it's no where near that situation in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Plus this might light a fire under Chad that we've never seen. Maybe some real competition will help him regain '02-'03 form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kentucky Jet Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Mangenius better get Kellen ready for next year! He is our future. Chad and Jmac both willbe in KC with Herm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Plus this might light a fire under Chad that we've never seen. Maybe some real competition will help him regain '02-'03 form. Eh. Maybe. I think his problem is mostly physical. Even some of the mental errors might not be made if he had a better arm. Like a throw where you've got a limited amt of time to get the ball there. Chad might not attempt it b/c he knows it stands a good chance of getting picked. So instead he'll either wait for someone to be WIDE open or check down. Like the long Cotchery pass tonight. Almost immediately after the catch, there's an attempted tackle. Let's say that pass wasn't rifled in there but rather was a rainbow we've seen so many times. Instead of merely a quick tackle (attempt), maybe the db gets a hand in & bats down the pass or gets an even better jump & picks off the pass altogether. My point is I think a lot of plays could come out like that & Chad, knowing it, simply doesn't attempt the pass in the first place. I really have no idea since we don't see the field through a Pennington helmet-cam, but it seems quite plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted September 17, 2007 Author Share Posted September 17, 2007 Clemens reminds me of Philip Rivers-I liked what I saw and don't be surprised if we see him next week at home starting again-EM now has the luxury of keeping Chad on the bench until he's 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawngnome o-line Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 I loved seeing what KC did, don't get me wrong, Chad is our starter and the best chance of us winning. The rule of thumb is that a starter doesn't lose their job because of an injury. I don't want to sound like I'm jumping to conclusions, but last year (and part of this year) a certain KC head coach pretty much chased their starting QB out of town because of an injury and their back up seemed to be "the right" choice. Sure, maybe its a stretch, but Mangini is no Herm Edwards. I agree totally with what Sperm said. Chad has done nothing wrong to lose his job and as much hype, poise and potential KC gave us today we need be brought into reality. Chad's won the starting job and proved time and time again that he is our man. If all else fails and Chad stinks it up then the obvious answer is we turn the page and bring in KC. Until them, KC fans have more ammo to bash Penny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Good post. Mangini is not going to say anything else a few minutes after the game. Chad is still the starter until Mangini names Kellen the starter. That could be next Sunday. It is kind of a non-story coming out of Mangini's mouth right now. Really until they look at tape and talk amongst all the other coaches there is no other response right now. It means nothing really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 I loved seeing what KC did, don't get me wrong, Chad is our starter and the best chance of us winning. The rule of thumb is that a starter doesn't lose their job because of an injury. I don't want to sound like I'm jumping to conclusions, but last year (and part of this year) a certain KC head coach pretty much chased their starting QB out of town because of an injury and their back up seemed to be "the right" choice. Sure, maybe its a stretch, but Mangini is no Herm Edwards. I agree totally with what Sperm said. Chad has done nothing wrong to lose his job and as much hype, poise and potential KC gave us today we need be brought into reality. Chad's won the starting job and proved time and time again that he is our man. If all else fails and Chad stinks it up then the obvious answer is we turn the page and bring in KC. Until them, KC fans have more ammo to bash Penny That wasn't really what I was saying. And I couldn't disagree more with the 'starter can't lose his job to injury' thing. Not only is it not true a rule of thumb around the league, it's a bad philosophy. You play your hot hand; you play your best player right now. Otherwise Chad wouldn't have been starting in the first place over Vinnie, since that's how Vinny sat out in '02. That's how Vilma got his job over Cowart. That's how Moss finally started a game over the great Curtis Conway. Oh...and that guy who's QB of the Patriots kept his job even after the starter was healthy again...forget his name though. It's a bad, bad rule & often keeps better players on the bench. What I was saying is that there is more to choosing a starting QB b/c other players on the team are used to him, know him, like him, voted him captain, whatever. Even with all that, it doesn't mean everything. In '98 our team captain was Glenn Foley while his backup went to the pro bowl & took us to the Championship Game. The point is, when you consider the long-term best interest of the team, which QB would you rather have a short leash on - the veteran or the rookie? I'd rather have it on the veteran; it's win-win. Either Chad steps up or he doesn't. If he does, we start winning games. If he doesn't, he should kiss goodbye to starting at QB for the Jets b/c the backup isn't a stop-gap player like in the past. If he gets benched for poor play (or just because we're losing), it is easier for the team of players to accept. But if Clemens goes in there & isn't an instant-winner, a HC has to deal with 50 guys who are grumbling b/c they've essentially worked so hard all season & off-season so we can give live experience to one Kellen Clemens. If KC is awful, Mangini can lose the team if he sticks with him. So he may be forced to pull him. Then what have we got for '08? An oft-injured QB who can't throw for dick even when healthy, or a young QB entering his 3rd year who choked & got benched when given the opportunity in year 2. The only way out of that situation is if KC comes in & is outstanding right away. That is unlikely for any inexperienced QB. It happens, but it's less common than failure. The best route for the Jets long-term is sticking with Chad until the time becomes more obvious. But it sure was nice to see the Jets converting (or even attempting) multiple times on 3rd & long through the air instead of waiting for a draw play to Leon to net a lucky 15 yarder or hoping a 7-yard pass to Cotchery is stretched into 10-15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kentucky Jet Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 I hope Chad and Jmac enjoy Kansas City next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Actually Chad belongs in Chicago. A game-manager with almost non-existent big-play ability could do very well there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet27 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 for the first time in 2 years i actually think mangini is in over his head. qb controversy no turnovers no sacks all of this from a supposed defensive specialist. life with mangini is pretty similar to life with herm. still cant stop the run and still cant win the big game against a tough defense. VERY VERY VERY True....this is getting a bit frustrating....I hope for all of our sakes, we play a great game on Sunday. As for Chad-KC issue. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that KC picked the Raven secondary apart and took some hits from the Ravens D. But leave Chad on the bench and see if the kid can play at home vs. the Phins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Dear, Mangini SHOW SOME BALLS AND BENCH THE VET FOR THE KID. Signed, SOME Jets fans Fixed your message to Mangini for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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