SouthernJet Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Get the learning curve over with. Its painfully obvious 2007 isnt going to be a SuperBowl, let alone a playoff year for us. Do not go into 2008 by having to getClemens his 'stripes'. Do it now. The kid opens up things for us by having a strong arm. If he plays you will see crossing patterns open up because safeties/LBs wont be able to cheat as much as when Chad plays. They dont respect Chads deep throws so the defense cheats.. You did notcie all the intermdiate cross patterns that were opren yesterday,,,its due to Clemens stong arm being respected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uart Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Why wait? Pointless rhetoric about, "you play to win." Has clouded everyone's judgement and forced otherwise good coaches like Mangini to keep Clemens on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Why wait? Pointless rhetoric about, "you play to win." Has clouded everyone's judgement and forced otherwise good coaches like Mangini to keep Clemens on the bench. you do play to win. Putting in clemens now to get game experience and to work out his kinks in play gives us a better shot at winning next year. Lose (maybe) some games now to win more later on. It's not really a hard concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoping4ASuperBowl Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Its too early to make that decision i think. I agree with whoever posted this saying they feel Chad should still be the starter and Clemens should start by beating Chad out for a starting job, not because Chad was injured. Clemens was good, but i wanna see Chad play again, and I wanna see Clemens beat Chad for the starter spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted September 17, 2007 Author Share Posted September 17, 2007 you do play to win. Putting in clemens now to get game experience and to work out his kinks in play gives us a better shot at winning next year. Lose (maybe) some games now to win more later on. It's not really a hard concept. yup,,see the big picture,,learn 2007, win 2008,, as opposed to win a few more this year, learn 2008, win 2009... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted September 17, 2007 Author Share Posted September 17, 2007 Its too early to make that decision i think. I agree with whoever posted this saying they feel Chad should still be the starter and Clemens should start by beating Chad out for a starting job, not because Chad was injured. Clemens was good, but i wanna see Chad play again, and I wanna see Clemens beat Chad for the starter spot. in my opinion,, he beat him out yesterday by keeping his poise for 3 qtrs vs top defesne on road, by throwing balls like a real QB with a real BIG BOY arm can do (and in turn , open up cross routes as def respcted his deep arm), and putting it all together and having a great 4th qtr and leading us to victory if it werent for McCare-less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted September 17, 2007 Author Share Posted September 17, 2007 I actually think Clemens could get 7 wins out of this team..Chad 5... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Get the learning curve over with. Its painfully obvious 2007 isnt going to be a SuperBowl, let alone a playoff year for us. Do not go into 2008 by having to getClemens his 'stripes'. Do it now. The kid opens up things for us by having a strong arm. If he plays you will see crossing patterns open up because safeties/LBs wont be able to cheat as much as when Chad plays. They dont respect Chads deep throws so the defense cheats.. You did notcie all the intermdiate cross patterns that were opren yesterday,,,its due to Clemens stong arm being respected. I can only come up with one reason. **IF** he is the qb of the future, why get him killed in a meaningless year behind this disastrous line? I am not sure that any qb could withstand the beating that they will be taking in the next 14 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoping4ASuperBowl Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 yeah, it was a great 4th quarter, but he also had 3 bad quarters and id wanna see him play a game where he plays good all 4 quarters. he has got a great arm, accuracy (baker TD) and was getting more comfortable in the pocket after being sacked 4 times (you gotta learn some how). the broncos did it at a good time last season because it was make or break to reach the playoffs and with Plummer it was gonna be break, so even if Cutler did a little better, he could have done a better job of trying them to the playoffs. Were only in week 2 and I just think its too early to make that decision this week, but say in the next couple of weeks or maybe right before the bye week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 I actually think Clemens could get 7 wins out of this team..Chad 5... 5 wins are better than 7 if you aren't making the playoffs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 5 wins are better than 7 if you aren't making the playoffs... Not if Brick has a brother...You know that we'd make him the 4th overall selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Clemens did a much better job in the 3rd quarter, and an AMAZING job in the 4th. He struggled with making good decisions early on in the game, but that kind of a comeback shows some great intangables. Great job KC--great job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Not if Brick has a brother...You know that we'd make him the 4th overall selection. Bite your tongue. But seriously, the thing I saw towards the end of the game, that I don't see so much with Chad, was the way KC started stepping up in the pocket when it started collapsing. If he just stood there he'd have been sacked, but he stepped up while keeping his eyes on the field, then when a window of opportunity presented itself, fired it in there before the defense could react to the throw. It's what we've seen opponents' QB's do to us & so many never questioned why (or never cared that) our own doesn't or can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Bite your tongue. But seriously, the thing I saw towards the end of the game, that I don't see so much with Chad, was the way KC started stepping up in the pocket when it started collapsing. If he just stood there he'd have been sacked, but he stepped up while keeping his eyes on the field, then when a window of opportunity presented itself, fired it in there before the defense could react to the throw. It's what we've seen opponents' QB's do to us & so many never questioned why (or never cared that) our own doesn't or can't. I completely agree, but do you think that it would be a good idea to start KC? If he will turn out to be a good QB, why jeopardize his future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Because Clemens has a long way to go before winning games and coaches don't keep their jobs by losing games. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 I actually think Clemens could get 7 wins out of this team..Chad 5... they could both get those wins. I thought chad would have a better chance against the better defenses, but that isn't the case. If kellen can play as fearless as he did in the fourth quarter, for an entire game, he can do a lot of damage THIS year. Lets not forget the host of pro-bowlers on the ravens' defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Because Clemens has a long way to go before winning games and coaches don't keep their jobs by losing games. BZ i am not convinced that chad gives the jets the best chance to win. let's not forget that the ravens d is pretty good. take a look at what clemens did vs. carson palmer against the same d. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 i am not convinced that chad gives the jets the best chance to win. let's not forget that the ravens d is pretty good. take a look at what clemens did vs. carson palmer against the same d. Kellen hung onto the ball over and over and over again way too long. He tried to scramble when he should have just thrown the ball away. That comes from experience. He also had no pocket awareness. He took a snap and with a free blitzer coming right at his face, never saw him. Twice. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachTsurfing Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Yes, the best guy should play, but you have to also build for the future. With Brohm and Alexander coming out in next years draft we need to know now if Clemens can play. Otherwise we need to draft a QB. That being said, I still don't understand the play calling we've been seeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman88 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Kellen hung onto the ball over and over and over again way too long. He tried to scramble when he should have just thrown the ball away. That comes from experience. He also had no pocket awareness. He took a snap and with a free blitzer coming right at his face, never saw him. Twice. BZ Thats exactly the point. Kellen with experience will be a much better QB, he will know when to get rid of it and feel the rush more. We aren't getting anywhere this year with Chad as our QB so since Clemens will become the starter in the future why not just give him the experience he needs now? Why would you wait till next year when we should have a better year to go through QB growing pains when you don't have to. The best part about Clemens at Oregon was he always got better and learned from his mistakes. Give him this season as a starter and he will become much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBeans Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Kellen hung onto the ball over and over and over again way too long. He tried to scramble when he should have just thrown the ball away. That comes from experience. He also had no pocket awareness. He took a snap and with a free blitzer coming right at his face, never saw him. Twice. BZ Did that happen in the 4th quarter? Seems to me Mr. Clemens may be a quick study... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted September 17, 2007 Author Share Posted September 17, 2007 I can only come up with one reason. **IF** he is the qb of the future, why get him killed in a meaningless year behind this disastrous line? I am not sure that any qb could withstand the beating that they will be taking in the next 14 games. becasue i want to make the playoffs in 2008,, we wont if 2008 is his 'learning' year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted September 17, 2007 Author Share Posted September 17, 2007 5 wins are better than 7 if you aren't making the playoffs... not true., if it means he also gets his learning curve over with,,i want to make playoffs in 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyjetsfan57 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Get the learning curve over with. Its painfully obvious 2007 isnt going to be a SuperBowl, let alone a playoff year for us. Do not go into 2008 by having to getClemens his 'stripes'. Do it now. The kid opens up things for us by having a strong arm. If he plays you will see crossing patterns open up because safeties/LBs wont be able to cheat as much as when Chad plays. They dont respect Chads deep throws so the defense cheats.. You did notcie all the intermdiate cross patterns that were opren yesterday,,,its due to Clemens stong arm being respected. Couldn't agree more with Southern Jet and others. Bottom line: Clemens made plays in the fourth quarter that Chad simply cannot make. Period. Yes, there are several other angles to the debate. Yet, I've got thoughts and posted them here. Check it out and let me know your thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaumerJet Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 I can only come up with one reason. **IF** he is the qb of the future, why get him killed in a meaningless year behind this disastrous line? I am not sure that any qb could withstand the beating that they will be taking in the next 14 games. I have to agree. The whole reason Pennington has been injured is due to this "Young" Offensive line. It is going to take at least another 4-5 games for them to structure into a decent line. If you put your future out there, where he can get injured just because you want a WIN, is foolish to say the least. He'll remain out there until Pennington is ready & then next year, Kellen Clements will be the JETS full time starter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted September 17, 2007 Author Share Posted September 17, 2007 I have to agree. The whole reason Pennington has been injured is due to this "Young" Offensive line. It is going to take at least another 4-5 games for them to structure into a decent line. If you put your future out there, where he can get injured just because you want a WIN, is foolish to say the least. He'll remain out there until Pennington is ready & then next year, Kellen Clements will be the JETS full time starter... so yo uare willing to write off 2008 as a learning year,, you think we are a solid playoff team with Chad this year?? Think carefulkly and look at the long run,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 so yo uare willing to write off 2008 as a learning year,, you think we are a solid playoff team with Chad this year?? Think carefulkly and look at the long run,, Kellen Clemens will be broken into 6 pieces if he plays every game this year... at least let the old guy take the hits... lol Getting ripped apart becuase of a crappy O-line ruined David Carr... he was a good QB that became scared to play... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted September 17, 2007 Author Share Posted September 17, 2007 Kellen Clemens will be broken into 6 pieces if he plays every game this year... at least let the old guy take the hits... lol Getting ripped apart becuase of a crappy O-line ruined David Carr... he was a good QB that became scared to play... you dont play Baltimores defense every week,,this was the toughest D they will play all year and the kid figured it out in end,,and we were in the game,,now lets see what a stud with a Big Boys arm can do vs lesser dfeenses and experience under his belt,, its a waste to play Chad at this point,, we are not a playoff team sad to say,,get the learning curve out of the way.,.. playoffs in 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Kellen Clemens will be broken into 6 pieces if he plays every game this year... at least let the old guy take the hits... lol Getting ripped apart becuase of a crappy O-line ruined David Carr... he was a good QB that became scared to play... Maybe David Carr just sucked to begin with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted September 17, 2007 Author Share Posted September 17, 2007 Maybe David Carr just sucked to begin with? see matt schaub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 BZ, when did Kellen hang onto the ball too much on sacks? Was it when on 3 of the 4 sacks the sackee on the Ravens was an untouched player from the secondary? You cannot fault him when the line can't even put a fingernail on the guy on your blindside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 BZ, when did Kellen hang onto the ball too much on sacks? Was it when on 3 of the 4 sacks the sackee on the Ravens was an untouched player from the secondary? You cannot fault him when the line can't even put a fingernail on the guy on your blindside. There was a handfull of times he was holding on too long looking deep while the 5-15 yard man was open and wound up hitting nobody... He felt like the whole game was going to be won with one play... Once he settled down though he looked much better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 There was a handfull of times he was holding on too long looking deep while the 5-15 yard man was open and wound up hitting nobody... He felt like the whole game was going to be won with one play... Once he settled down though he looked much better... Did it ever occur to you that maybe the receivers weren't open down the field? See, Kellen is not Chad. Kellen wants to throw it, not dunk it. Sometimes you will lose like that, but more times than not you will win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Did it ever occur to you that maybe the receivers weren't open down the field? See, Kellen is not Chad. Kellen wants to throw it, not dunk it. Sometimes you will lose like that, but more times than not you will win. My point is that he LOCKED in on the guys downfield... and didnt pay attention to the short routes... You HAVE TO take a 10-15 yard pass when it is open... he got better at this as the game went on.... Im trying to say he got better at it... not bash him... My biggest concern with him is his height and relase point... he had to balls tipped yesterday and both were almost picked off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 My point is that he LOCKED in on the guys downfield... and didnt pay attention to the short routes... You HAVE TO take a 10-15 yard pass when it is open... he got better at this as the game went on.... Im trying to say he got better at it... not bash him... My biggest concern with him is his height and relase point... he had to balls tipped yesterday and both were almost picked off... Yes he does have to release more quickly at times but that shall come with expeirence. What BZ was saying, or at least what I thought he said in one of his posts, was the he held on to the ball to long on some or all of the plays that ended up in being sacks. That simply was not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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