Jet27 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Ok Guys, let me ask a question, Why did mangini go for a 55 yard field goal???? Football 101 is you punt the ball, bury it inside the 10 and let your defense go after the QB. What is going on here, that cost us 7 and in my opinion was the game. KC played well and in McKracken catches the ball it's tied even with mangini going for a 55 yarder. I don't undertand.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tparich Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Ok Guys, let me ask a question, Why did mangini go for a 55 yard field goal???? Football 101 is you punt the ball, bury it inside the 10 and let your defense go after the QB. What is going on here, that cost us 7 and in my opinion was the game. KC played well and in McKracken catches the ball it's tied even with mangini going for a 55 yarder. I don't undertand.... At the time we needed the points and I believe the Nuge earned enough trust for the coach to give him the shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Ok Guys, let me ask a question, Why did mangini go for a 55 yard field goal???? Football 101 is you punt the ball, bury it inside the 10 and let your defense go after the QB. What is going on here, that cost us 7 and in my opinion was the game. KC played well and in McKracken catches the ball it's tied even with mangini going for a 55 yarder. I don't undertand.... You just said "let your defense go after the QB" lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 At the time we needed the points and I believe the Nuge earned enough trust for the coach to give him the shot. I'd have thought Nuge earned the trust too, if he didn't just limp off after getting squashed saving a Ravens TD on a kick return. That's the main reason I questioned that decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 They weren't going to have many scoring opportunities. Nugent has been hot. Not being sure if they would get any closer I think it was definitely the right move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 That kick had so much distance it would have made it from 70 yds. It was only slightly off target. Given the fact that at that time we could barely move the ball, you go for that kick. Honestly I give Nuge 50-50 to make that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 At some point you have to be able to stop that awful offense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet27 Posted September 17, 2007 Author Share Posted September 17, 2007 Nothing against Nuuge, just stupid strategy. Cost us 7 in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Nothing against Nuuge, just stupid strategy. Cost us 7 in the end. Not sure how putting a team 60 yards away from the end zone costs the team 7. I see what you are saying about field position. But this Ravens offense is not considered to be good. If they can't stop them it is going to be a long season. The odds of Nugent making that kick are good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Nothing against Nuuge, just stupid strategy. Cost us 7 in the end. No it didn't. The horrible D cost us 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Nothing against Nuuge, just stupid strategy. Cost us 7 in the end. No, it's not. Our D couldn't stop Steven Hawking from driving down the filed on us. What good is pinning them back with a punt when we can't stop them? Furthermore, how do you give up a chance to put points on the board when up to that point we have had little to no chance of doing so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet27 Posted September 17, 2007 Author Share Posted September 17, 2007 No, it's not. Our D couldn't stop Steven Hawking from driving down the filed on us. What good is pinning them back with a punt when we can't stop them? Furthermore, how do you give up a chance to put points on the board when up to that point we have had little to no chance of doing so? Booze, I would have agreed with you, but we are talking 55, not 45 or 35. 55! And punting the ball and not giving the Ravens excellent field poistion is the correct and smart way to play football. And always has been. Ask yourself what happened after we missed the 55 yarder. You know the answer. I understand putting points up, sure that's the name of the game, but you forget last year when he went for it on 4th instead of doing the "smart" thing and kicking the field goal against the Colts and we lose by 3 (to the eventual SB winner!!!)! Yesterday we lose by 7. I find mangini to go against the grain to many times and I see that we get burned. Let's try and play a smart football game first, and that means no 55 yard field goals in lieu of field position on the road. I can live with him not going for a 55 yarder, pinning the offense on the 10 or 5 yardline whatever and at least giving the defense the opportunity to go after the QB. If they go 90 yards, 85 yards of 95 yards in a prolonged drive god-bless them then they earned it against us. By giving our defense who already was playing shaky just 50 yards to operate is not smart football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Booze, I would have agreed with you, but we are talking 55, not 45 or 35. 55! And punting the ball and not giving the Ravens excellent field poistion is the correct and smart way to play football. And always has been. Ask yourself what happened after we missed the 55 yarder. You know the answer. I understand putting points up, sure that's the name of the game, but you forget last year when he went for it on 4th instead of doing the "smart" thing and kicking the field goal against the Colts and we lose by 3 (to the eventual SB winner!!!)! Yesterday we lose by 7. I find mangini to go against the grain to many times and I see that we get burned. Let's try and play a smart football game first, and that means no 55 yard field goals in lieu of field position on the road. I can live with him not going for a 55 yarder, pinning the offense on the 10 or 5 yardline whatever and at least giving the defense the opportunity to go after the QB. If they go 90 yards, 85 yards of 95 yards in a prolonged drive god-bless them then they earned it against us. By giving our defense who already was playing shaky just 50 yards to operate is not smart football. i am sure nuge was making those kicks during warm-ups. i doubt mangini would send nugent out there if he didnt think there was a good chance for success. the kick didn't come up short, he just pulled it so he obviously had the leg to make it. the real alarming aspect of the game was 0 turnovers, 0 sacks. you simply cannot win without those 2 components of the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Ok Guys, let me ask a question, Why did mangini go for a 55 yard field goal???? Football 101 is you punt the ball, bury it inside the 10 and let your defense go after the QB. What is going on here, that cost us 7 and in my opinion was the game. KC played well and in McKracken catches the ball it's tied even with mangini going for a 55 yarder. I don't undertand.... and you never will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 i am sure nuge was making those kicks during warm-ups. i doubt mangini would send nugent out there if he didnt think there was a good chance for success. the kick didn't come up short, he just pulled it so he obviously had the leg to make it. the real alarming aspect of the game was 0 turnovers, 0 sacks. you simply cannot win without those 2 components of the defense. Making kicks in practice is irrelevant. The guy just hobbled off the field not 10 minutes earlier. I'm shocked the kick had the distance, not that it missed. Trying a 55 yarder on turf isn't crazy, but doing it with a borderline injured kicker is far from the safe bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Booze, I would have agreed with you, but we are talking 55, not 45 or 35. 55! And punting the ball and not giving the Ravens excellent field poistion is the correct and smart way to play football. And always has been. Ask yourself what happened after we missed the 55 yarder. You know the answer. I understand putting points up, sure that's the name of the game, but you forget last year when he went for it on 4th instead of doing the "smart" thing and kicking the field goal against the Colts and we lose by 3 (to the eventual SB winner!!!)! Yesterday we lose by 7. I find mangini to go against the grain to many times and I see that we get burned. Let's try and play a smart football game first, and that means no 55 yard field goals in lieu of field position on the road. I can live with him not going for a 55 yarder, pinning the offense on the 10 or 5 yardline whatever and at least giving the defense the opportunity to go after the QB. If they go 90 yards, 85 yards of 95 yards in a prolonged drive god-bless them then they earned it against us. By giving our defense who already was playing shaky just 50 yards to operate is not smart football. I'm sure Nuge was showing that he could hit them in warmups. He bombed that kick, it was only slightly off. My point is BAL was miving the ball at will. Had we pinned them back, they still likely drive down the field for at least a FG. I really did not mind him going for points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet27 Posted September 17, 2007 Author Share Posted September 17, 2007 and you never will Nice...I guess your a rocket scientist right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Nice...I guess your a rocket scientist right? check my sig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLH222 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Given the state of the offense, it's not far from the truth to say that Mike Nugent may be the most potent weapon this team has. Perhaps I would agree with your point if Nugent had shown problems with distance. He missed the kick, barely- and it had more than enough leg...you gotta take chances sometimes and he will make that kick at least 50% of the time. Hindsight is 20/20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Jet27, the reason Mangini did not punt and elected for Nuge to attempt the 52 yarder was because of Nuge's leg strength and accuracy. The guy can make 55 yard field goals and up until that kick had made 19 in a row. You have to ride a guy when he's been so constitent, otherwise you look like a fool and are ready to become the next Herm Edwards. Herm would've punted that ball and Herm also would've started Chad and the Jets would not have been as close to pulling off overtime at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Jet27, the reason Mangini did not punt and elected for Nuge to attempt the 52 yarder was because of Nuge's leg strength and accuracy. The guy can make 55 yard field goals and up until that kick had made 19 in a row. You have to ride a guy when he's been so constitent, otherwise you look like a fool and are ready to become the next Herm Edwards. Herm would've punted that ball and Herm also would've started Chad and the Jets would not have been as close to pulling off overtime at the end. 124 your my hero lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Jet27, the reason Mangini did not punt and elected for Nuge to attempt the 52 yarder was because of Nuge's leg strength and accuracy. The guy can make 55 yard field goals and up until that kick had made 19 in a row. You have to ride a guy when he's been so constitent, otherwise you look like a fool and are ready to become the next Herm Edwards. Herm would've punted that ball and Herm also would've started Chad and the Jets would not have been as close to pulling off overtime at the end. Actyually, Herm would have gone to OT, won the toss and elected to kickoff. Then, the inevitable loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Actyually, Herm would have gone to OT, won the toss and elected to kickoff. Then, the inevitable loss. sarcasmical i like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 It amazing what 1 year has done for Nuge This time last year after the 2nd game, Mangini was bringing in kickers, to see what they could do Now, everytime Nuge lines up....even 55 yarders, I am confident he'll make it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 It amazing what 1 year has done for Nuge This time last year after the 2nd game, Mangini was bringing in kickers, to see what they could do Now, everytime Nuge lines up....even 55 yarders, I am confident he'll make it you can bring up my posts from last year i was the only one telling ppl to be patient when everybody was asking for his head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsMan57 Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 You cant expect your kicker to nail 52 yard FGs all game long. Considering that Nugent hobbled off the field jus a few minutes before when that Raven almost ripped his head off on the kick off (and got away with a blatant face mask), it wasnt the wisest decision to go for th FG in that spot. 4th and 3 from the 35 is very doable, we should have went for it there. My main beef with the coaching is Leon Washington getting no touches and Brad Smith only 1. Inexcusable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Ok Guys, let me ask a question, Why did mangini go for a 55 yard field goal???? Football 101 is you punt the ball, bury it inside the 10 and let your defense go after the QB. What is going on here, that cost us 7 and in my opinion was the game. KC played well and in McKracken catches the ball it's tied even with mangini going for a 55 yarder. I don't undertand.... And if Nuge hits the FG, which he barely missed and J-Mac catches the ball, it's over. No OT. It was a good call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i remember shea Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 No, it's not. Our D couldn't stop Steven Hawking from driving down the filed on us. What good is pinning them back with a punt when we can't stop them? Furthermore, how do you give up a chance to put points on the board when up to that point we have had little to no chance of doing so? i'm sorry...i know this is so immature of me...but i love that line every single time i read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 you can bring up my posts from last year i was the only one telling ppl to be patient when everybody was asking for his head J-mac? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awats Posted September 17, 2007 Share Posted September 17, 2007 Given the state of the offense, it's not far from the truth to say that Mike Nugent may be the most potent weapon this team has. Perhaps I would agree with your point if Nugent had shown problems with distance. He missed the kick, barely- and it had more than enough leg...you gotta take chances sometimes and he will make that kick at least 50% of the time. Hindsight is 20/20. HERE! HERE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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