The Mutiny Against Herm Begins in KC

[Roger Vick]

And not a moment too soon.

First off, yesterday's game was the worst I've ever been to at Arrowhead. The crowd was out for Herm's blood by the second series. Just four quarters of awful, awful football, the Dick Curl-inspired Buttsex offense, and continued idiotic playcalling

Here are some quotes from Larry Johnson after yesterday's game (where we ran 30 times up the middle behind the ass-crack of an undersized center who is weak at the point of attack into the best DT combo in the NFL)

"I learned a long time ago about coaches. They're always going to do what they want to do. It's usually an ego thing rather than trying to be better or trying to get better or trying to listen to input," he said Monday.

"It's just hard to change a coach's perspective or change an offensive coordinator's plays when this is what they've been used to doing ever since they came into the league."

"Football is easy," he said. "It's not a chess game. It's checkers. When they're looking for the run, you pass. When they're looking for the pass, you run. When they put nine in the box, you pass. When they overload one side, you run to the other side."

What I wouldn't pay for someone to jam a shank into Herm's ribcage.

[Sperm Edwards]

We had a thread on this on Monday (Whitlock's article). Only ones here who really seem to mind are the ones who were foolish enough to buy into the idea that this charade of a HC was good & (without explanation) made the Jets better than their (talented) rosters should have been. They don't like being reminded of how they were so vocal in being so wrong. I'd been called every name in the book for daring criticize this know-nothing abomination.

I like how, with all this, said he considered pulling Huard during the game. This was among his post-game comments. As though Brody Croyle handing the ball off to LJ up the middle & throwing 3-yard screen passes to not-Bowe and not-Gonzo will have any different impact than Huard doing the same. But is anyone really surprised? He gets totally called out by everyone for this embarrassment of an offense & his reply was to blame the player for running the plays he wanted.

[Thai Jet]

It was just a matter of time before Herm wore out his welcome in KC. He wanted the job so badly he couldn't wait to bolt from us. Well Herm, I hope you like it hot bud cause the heats just starting to be turned up.

[serphnx]

He has at least the year, and I'm sure he'll figure out some way to extend his time beyond that. Maybe he'll break out some sort of speech. Maybe he'll attack LJ in his sleep so he can use the injury excuse. Trust me he has a plan.

[Sperm Edwards]

He has at least the year, and I'm sure he'll figure out some way to extend his time beyond that. Maybe he'll break out some sort of speech. Maybe he'll attack LJ in his sleep so he can use the injury excuse. Trust me he has a plan.

[snow_monkey]

"Offensive Coordinator! Please report to the main entrance. We have found a bus to throw you under."

[Thai Jet]

"Offensive Coordinator! Please report to the main entrance. We have found a bus to throw you under."

Yeah It's about that time if Herm holds true to form.

[#27TheDominator]

As usual, Sperm is underestimating Herm. Not to get political, but he's a pragmatist. Herm's brain has very little relationship to reality, so he will turn this into a victory. It may work because the team won. Herm actually believes it so I'm sure he can be persuasive. If they open up the offense a little bit and it works Uncle Hermie will jump right on the bandwagon.

The man is an idiot, but he has no firm football principles. He liked the Tampa 2, no pressure D. When it didn't work under Ted Cotrell, who ran some good Ds but not the cover/tampa 2 he threw him under the bus. Herm was quick to act like Donnie Henderson was all his idea, as soon as he was successful. He uses coordinators like toilet paper.

[BP]

The worst part about it is that the Chiefs won, which in his simpleton mind makes it seem like he did everything the right way. games like that one used to get me so pissed off (even though we won) that I had a hard time enjoying football during his tenure.

Good luck, Hamas. don't break any tables this year.

[Maxman]

Dirk Curl obviously needs a larger say in game day matters.

[Sperm Edwards]

Dirk Curl obviously needs a larger say in game day matters.

I think it is just terrible how Carl Peterson has tied Herm's hands with this dope. Just like Bradway did to Herm with Hackett. Herm would have hired someone better but unfortunately for him, he's the real victim here. His not saying anything is an act of selfless martyrdom befitting a great man like Hermie. God bless that man.

[Jet Moses]

I think it is just terrible how Carl Peterson has tied Herm's hands with this dope. Just like Bradway did to Herm with Hackett. Herm would have hired someone better but unfortunately for him, he's the real victim here. His not saying anything is an act of selfless martyrdom befitting a great man like Hermie. God bless that man.

You don't sound very sincere.

Please report to the nearest train station for mandatory sensitivity training. Bring a shovel and warm clothes.

[rick34125]

And not a moment too soon.

First off, yesterday's game was the worst I've ever been to at Arrowhead. The crowd was out for Herm's blood by the second series. Just four quarters of awful, awful football, the Dick Curl-inspired Buttsex offense, and continued idiotic playcalling

Here are some quotes from Larry Johnson after yesterday's game (where we ran 30 times up the middle behind the ass-crack of an undersized center who is weak at the point of attack into the best DT combo in the NFL)

"I learned a long time ago about coaches. They're always going to do what they want to do. It's usually an ego thing rather than trying to be better or trying to get better or trying to listen to input," he said Monday.

"It's just hard to change a coach's perspective or change an offensive coordinator's plays when this is what they've been used to doing ever since they came into the league."

"Football is easy," he said. "It's not a chess game. It's checkers. When they're looking for the run, you pass. When they're looking for the pass, you run. When they put nine in the box, you pass. When they overload one side, you run to the other side."

What I wouldn't pay for someone to jam a shank into Herm's ribcage.

could you imagine if Curtis Martin would have spoken out like this 6 years ago?

[L.S. Dylan]

could you imagine if Curtis Martin would have spoken out like this 6 years ago?

thats the difference of class and an ass

[NY JETS 29]

there 1-2 like a lot of teams in the AFC and but no means am i defending herm, because I feel the same about him as most of us, but b4 the chiefs fans and players jump down his throat let him coach out the next 13 games, one thing herm does is go to the playoffs so who knows

[Irish Jet]

This has been inevitable since he took over.

He cant coach, nuff said.

[Damaged89]

thats the difference of class and an ass

True, but who can blame LJ? It's his body that Herm is hellbent on destroying. If anything Curtis should have had the balls to speak up. I know that isn't at all his style but to me being seen as the ultimate team player is less important than my ability to walk 10 years down the line.

[Iceman88]

there 1-2 like a lot of teams in the AFC and but no means am i defending herm, because I feel the same about him as most of us, but b4 the chiefs fans and players jump down his throat let him coach out the next 13 games, one thing herm does is go to the playoffs so who knows

He went to the playoffs cause he had some of the most talented Jets teams the orginization has had. He held those teams back.

[johnny green balls]

how long until the KC papers read: SORRI SOLARI! as he's run out of town. herm's already sewn the seeds with the "miscommunication" story from week 1 last year. canning solari will buy herm another year. after that? like others have said, he's got a plan.

[serphnx]

how long until the KC papers read: SORRI SOLARI! as he's run out of town. herm's already sewn the seeds with the "miscommunication" story from week 1 last year. canning solari will buy herm another year. after that? like others have said, he's got a plan.

Everyone keeps saying Herm is an idiot, but he has the media dancing at his fingertips. The guy manipulated the **** out of the NY media, the same cynical, aggressive, bitter media that drives out championship coaches and HoF athletes. Some players can get a bit of a pass dude to overwhelming character, like say Curtis Martin, but Herm doesn't even have good character, he is a total douche. Yet people are convinced that he is a "nice guy, bad football coach." Hell no! This guy would backstab his own mother for a dime, he is not a guy you want as your next door neighbor as others have said!

Thank god he wanted out of here, and Woody is one of the smarter owners in the league. Woody went and hired Tangini and Schott despite the rest of the media slamming him. Do you think Peterson has the same guts out in KC? I forget their owners name if that wasn't it, but I doubt it. Herm will have his job until he wants to leave, and I think he likes it too much there to leave.

[Jetsfan80]

Everyone keeps saying Herm is an idiot, but he has the media dancing at his fingertips. The guy manipulated the **** out of the NY media, the same cynical, aggressive, bitter media that drives out championship coaches and HoF athletes. Some players can get a bit of a pass dude to overwhelming character, like say Curtis Martin, but Herm doesn't even have good character, he is a total douche. Yet people are convinced that he is a "nice guy, bad football coach." Hell no! This guy would backstab his own mother for a dime, he is not a guy you want as your next door neighbor as others have said!

Thank god he wanted out of here, and Woody is one of the smarter owners in the league. Woody went and hired Tangini and Schott despite the rest of the media slamming him. Do you think Peterson has the same guts out in KC? I forget their owners name if that wasn't it, but I doubt it. Herm will have his job until he wants to leave, and I think he likes it too much there to leave.

POTW nomination. Summed up beautifully.

[#27TheDominator]

Thank god he wanted out of here, and Woody is one of the smarter owners in the league. Woody went and hired Tangini and Schott despite the rest of the media slamming him. Do you think Peterson has the same guts out in KC? I forget their owners name if that wasn't it, but I doubt it. Herm will have his job until he wants to leave, and I think he likes it too much there to leave.

I like Woody and I think he's smart, but the Mangini/Tannenbaum/Schottenheimer hiring still worries me. They seem good and they aren't a joke like Herm, but maybe a good part of the reason they were hired is because they are young and came cheap. I'm pretty sure that Mangini is one of lowest paid coaches in the NFL. I would let this pass, but the $10M in unused cap space strikes me as saving money. Maybe they are just worried about locking up money in long term deals, but the cap is probably going to go up again, and we'd better start spending or we'll be left behind. Hopefully I'm way off base, but it is a concern of mine.

[Jetsfan80]

I like Woody and I think he's smart, but the Mangini/Tannenbaum/Schottenheimer hiring still worries me. They seem good and they aren't a joke like Herm, but maybe a good part of the reason they were hired is because they are young and came cheap. I'm pretty sure that Mangini is one of lowest paid coaches in the NFL. I would let this pass, but the $10M in unused cap space strikes me as saving money. Maybe they are just worried about locking up money in long term deals, but the cap is probably going to go up again, and we'd better start spending or we'll be left behind. Hopefully I'm way off base, but it is a concern of mine.

Mangini and Schottenheimer were cheap because they were so young. The results, however, have been undeniable. The group is 11-8 so far with a playoff appearance after taking over a 4-12 team, and will eventually get their paydays. In Schottenheimer's case, it will likely be elsewhere as a Head Coach.

As for the cap, I think its smart that we're saving up to sign certain players for longterm deals. I don't like the idea of splurging in the FA market when you are CLEARLY not one or 2 players away from a championship.

[drago]

I like Woody and I think he's smart, but the Mangini/Tannenbaum/Schottenheimer hiring still worries me. They seem good and they aren't a joke like Herm, but maybe a good part of the reason they were hired is because they are young and came cheap. I'm pretty sure that Mangini is one of lowest paid coaches in the NFL. I would let this pass, but the $10M in unused cap space strikes me as saving money. Maybe they are just worried about locking up money in long term deals, but the cap is probably going to go up again, and we'd better start spending or we'll be left behind. Hopefully I'm way off base, but it is a concern of mine.

I like the hiring of younger coaches. Look at the risk reward across the league. Teams that recycle the old coaches doin't tend to fair as well...

Jimmy Johnson (phins) - accomplished nothing. May have gotten the playoffs, but nothing further...

Ray Rhodes

Art Shell

Joe Gibbs - no playoffs, last in the division last year...(i think, if not, they were close)

Norv Turner - SD will miss the playoffs for this clown

Herm Edwards - first round exit, might have the second to worst team in the NFL

dick jaron - nothing accomplished with BUF, they are worse than when he started

Bill Parcells - lets face it, Dallas didn't get anywhere, although they were close.

Where as the young, up and coming coaches

Tomlin - this guy is the real deal

Lovie Smith

Childress - sort of disproves my theory, but i still think he'll be a good coach

Mangini

Payton - coach of the year in 06

Mike Nolan - i wish he was in NY, he's the real deal and is turing the 49ers around

Wiesenhunt - we'll see, he may disprove the theory also

In summary, i'd rather take a shot in the dark with some young blood than recycling the tired same old, 3 yards and a clowd of dust. Those guys have no innovation, and that is maybe the most important thing in the NFL.

[#27TheDominator]

I don't have a problem with them as coaches per se, I'm just worried that it may be a sign of ownership being cheap. That would be a big problem, IMO.

[Jetsfan80]

I don't have a problem with them as coaches per se, I'm just worried that it may be a sign of ownership being cheap. That would be a big problem, IMO.

Agreed, and its hard to say if thats the case here. I have to believe, however, that when it comes time to pay Mangini what he's worth, the ownership will oblige. The same is true, I believe, when key players require extensions. We may not be big spenders on the FA market, but I feel we'll spend when we NEED to.

[johnny green balls]

Agreed, and its hard to say if thats the case here. I have to believe, however, that when it comes time to pay Mangini what he's worth, the ownership will oblige. The same is true, I believe, when key players require extensions. We may not be big spenders on the FA market, but I feel we'll spend when we NEED to.

$10M cap with no free agent star pickup on the defensive side of the ball is a little disconcerting when we've got to play the New Bal-oak-iami Patriots twice a year.

[drago]

I don't have a problem with them as coaches per se, I'm just worried that it may be a sign of ownership being cheap. That would be a big problem, IMO.

That would be a big problem. I just don't see that as the case, i think Woody is acknowledging the league is changing and he needs to keep up.

that said...i'm pissed about our draft. we needed a d-linemen, an o-linemen, a CB, and a linbacker...not just two of them...

hopefully revis will keep feeding me crow on his end, he seems to be the real deal.

[Jetsfan80]

$10M cap with no free agent star pickup on the defensive side of the ball is a little disconcerting when we've got to play the New Bal-oak-iami Patriots twice a year.

See, its easy to complain that we didn't pick up a big-name free agent on defense. But answer me these questions:

1) Are we one player away from having a good defense?

2) What player would you have signed, if yes to # 1, and how would that have improved matters?

I feel that our defense is so inept that NO one player would have helped us enough, even Adalius Thomas or Nate Clements. We have to build through the draft.

[raffyD]

See, its easy to complain that we didn't pick up a big-name free agent on defense. But answer me these questions:

1) Are we one player away from having a good defense?

2) What player would you have signed, if yes to # 1, and how would that have improved matters?

I feel that our defense is so inept that NO one player would have helped us enough, even Adalius Thomas or Nate Clements. We have to build through the draft.

A fat nose tackle would do wonders for this defense.

There was a really fat nose tackle available in the offseason, I believe he was a little long in the tooth but it couldn't have hurt.

[McGraw38]

A fat nose tackle would do wonders for this defense.

There was a really fat nose tackle available in the offseason, I believe he was a little long in the tooth but it couldn't have hurt.

Who? Chester McGlockton?

[#27TheDominator]

See, its easy to complain that we didn't pick up a big-name free agent on defense. But answer me these questions:

1) Are we one player away from having a good defense?

2) What player would you have signed, if yes to # 1, and how would that have improved matters?

I feel that our defense is so inept that NO one player would have helped us enough, even Adalius Thomas or Nate Clements. We have to build through the draft.

That's true, but $10M should bring you more than one player. You can't carry that cap space over to next year. It's gone. They absolutely needed a guard. They knew the Kendall situation long before he went public, I didn't study every available FA, but a one year rental to replace Kendall would have been nice. A run at Thomas would have been nice, if nothing else other than to dick with the Pats. There were a few lower level cbs that would have been helpful in addition to Revis. An OT, quality instead of quantity in the front 7, they could have addressed more than one of these obvious needs with $10M. The cap is going up next year too, so they will have some serious money and better spread some around or the talent gap will continue to grow.

[#27TheDominator]

Who? Chester McGlockton?

Ha. Pretty sure he met Sam Adams. I'm surprised they didn't add depth at NT. Even if they like Robertson, in fact especially if they like Robertson, it seems they could add a vet or tubby guy that might not be able to cut it as a full time starter, but could give some serious help on a limited play basis. I assumed they didn't want to sign one because they didn't want to give special concessions to a fatty in practice/camp.

[McGraw38]

Ha. Pretty sure he met Sam Adams. I'm surprised they didn't add depth at NT. Even if they like Robertson, in fact especially if they like Robertson, it seems they could add a vet or tubby guy that might not be able to cut it as a full time starter, but could give some serious help on a limited play basis. I assumed they didn't want to sign one because they didn't want to give special concessions to a fatty in practice/camp.

They tried to adress the d-line, but they seemed overly focused on DE, for whatever reason. Truth is we could've survived with the DE crew we had, maybe add a few of the players we did, but the NT was the GLARING need, why it was seemingly overlooked is anyone's guess.Perhaps there were no players that fit Mangini's vison. I don't agree with throwing money at some FA who will likely have no impact and retire next season, ala McGlockton, so I was glad we passed on the likes of Sam Adams, etc.

[#27TheDominator]

They tried to adress the d-line, but they seemed overly focused on DE, for whatever reason. Truth is we could've survived with the DE crew we had, maybe add a few of the players we did, but the NT was the GLARING need, why it was seemingly overlooked is anyone's guess.Perhaps there were no players that fit Mangini's vison. I don't agree with throwing money at some FA who will likely have no impact and retire next season, ala McGlockton, so I was glad we passed on the likes of Sam Adams, etc.

IMO, Kimo was by far the weak link on that line. I think Mangini feels that DRob will be okay at NT, he was improving as the year went on last year. They must want a true run stuffing ILB, that's why they reached for Schlegel and moved up for Harris. I think they want to pair one with Vilma to take the pressure of taking on hits off Vilma.

I never studied Sam Adams to determine if he'd be a good NT, but he was a one year rental for $1M, plus $250K if they make the playoffs. Seems like a guy like that might be a better option than Pouha. They could have signed ten guys like that with the cap space they have or five guys at twice the price.