Jetsfan80 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 On the bright side, Moises Alou is a freak of nature at the age of 41! Oh well, maybe a Mets non-playoff appearance will make the front office wake up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 It think they get in by a ---- hair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbok Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 i agree jetfan..GO PHILLY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowmoe57 Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 As Clint Eastwood once said in the Academy Award winning move Unforgiven DESERVINGS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH IT -- LETS GO METS --- SCREW PHILLY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetCane Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 At least we have Perez-Maine and Glavine lined up for the w/end series. Pineiro looking like the 02 version tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Glavineeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee HAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA good one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Wow, just wow Does Willie deserve the ax for this Tank job of the highest payroll in the NL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetCane Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 They are as dead as Alou's hitting streak, which was a great run for him. Watching them play this week has been about as much fun as a root canal. Well, three more games to go, but I dont see them turning it around. I posted about ten days ago that you could stick a fork in them. I'll watch and root, but it hasnt changed. They are done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon88 Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Wow, just wow Does Willie deserve the ax for this Tank job of the highest payroll in the NL? not at all...but Omar takes a big hit for putting together this bullpen. oh yeah, why hasn't the all-mighty rick peterson taken any heat? he got alot of praise when maine, perez, feliciano etc..were pitching lights out. now he just sits there dumbfounded, like the rest of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 i agree jetfan..GO PHILLY Oh so now you're a Philly fan? Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 not at all...but Omar takes a big hit for putting together this bullpen. oh yeah, why hasn't the all-mighty rick peterson taken any heat? he got alot of praise when maine, perez, feliciano etc..were pitching lights out. now he just sits there dumbfounded, like the rest of us. Or do they pull a Herm and sacrifice Peterson. I personnally think both Omar and Willie take the hit. Omar did NOTHING to shore up the bullpen at the trade deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Or do they pull a Herm and sacrifice Peterson. I personnally think both Omar and Willie take the hit. Omar did NOTHING to shore up the bullpen at the trade deadline. Correct. What the hell is Randolph supposed to do with a bullpen that's such a mess? Every guy is worse than the next. There are no good choices. Shades of the 1964 Phillies. This is now getting scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cant Hackett Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Could be the biggest collapse in baseball since the Yankees drop 4 in a row against the Dead Sox in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.I.MikeBleedsGreen Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 I feel Sick to my stomach, Jetfan80 is right ,We don't belong in this race ,We just keep giving games away.It seems like only a day ago that we were up by 6 games. Wow ,We suck A$$. But I think Jetcane's picture says it All. We are F'ing CHOKE Artist.Maybe the FO will see that we also need Pitching to go with the Bats. Wow what a crazy Idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 The dependence on old pitchers in the starting rotation and lack of a stopper ace are two problems to be addressed in the off season Omar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthCoastJetsFan Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 The dependence on old pitchers in the starting rotation and lack of a stopper ace are two problems to be addressed in the off season Omar. I think everyone deserves some blame for this debacle. Willie needed to call out players other than Reyes for their play this year. There have been bonehead plays (mental, not physical) by everyone that have been tolerated (at least publicly) that shouldn't have been. Willie also has Joe Torre syndrome, where he overuses 1 relief pitcher until they're totally burnt and useless for the next month or two. Omar vastly overrated the bullpen and didn't realize the value of Chad Bradford when he let him get away. David Newhan has been a waste from day one. And the Bannister trade has been a disaster, not that he would have made a difference. But I have to believe we could have gotten more than Burgos, the second coming of Jorge Julio. The players sleptwalked through the entire year. Reyes has been pouting and playing like crap since Willie called him out in Houston. Delgado has been horrible, Shawn Green fell off a cliff. LoDuca has had a bad year until the last week. Wagner is done, Heilman inconsistent (surprise). I've had a bad feeling about this team all year, and it's all comiing true. Even if they do make it, there is work to be done. They have to get back to what wins games in their ballpark. Pitching, speed, and defense is what always makes the Mets a good team. And this might take a few years, but it has to be done. One... Duque has to go. Too old, too brittle. If Glavine want to come back, well, maybe. Go with the kid pitchers and Pedro for the rotation, if only to find out what they can do. We need people to go deeper into games to save the bullpen. Two... Wagner is done. Bullpen by committee, get some stronger arms out there. If Heilman doesn't develop another pitch he can go too. Three.. get younger and faster. Green and Alou, let go. Alou had a great half-year, but we need a full year. Play Milledge until he melts down, and Gomez, Chavez and an as yet unknown rotate thru the outfield spots. I think we have to retain LoDuca and Delgado simply because we have no one else, but they should be on very short leashes. Very frustrating year. I think we have to give up one year to have a better team going into CitiField in 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 I hope the Mess ax Willie. I want him back in the Yankee fold to take over when Joe retires. The idea of Don Mattingly at the helm scares the hell out of me. I think Girardi is the wrong guy for the job, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 I hope the Mess ax Willie. I want him back in the Yankee fold to take over when Joe retires. The idea of Don Mattingly at the helm scares the hell out of me. I think Girardi is the wrong guy for the job, too. Minaya is most to blame. he over played his hand. Too many 5-6 inning starters, and once Maine and Perez started to slump, the entire deck crumbled. They could not get 5 innings out of any starter at that point. Glavine, Duque and and a rehabbing Pedro is too much pressuer for most bullpens to have to endure. And for Minaya to be hanging on to Milledge, Gomez, Pelfrey, Humber as if they are ALL the gold standard is just ridiculous. Sort through your players, determine your true studs and use something as trade bait. They were just too stubborn to make moves thinking that they could have everything now, and everything for the future as well. Well they can't and they won't. If I hear that Glavine is a part of this staff next season, I will wretch. It is not his fault, but we just can't compose a staff that neeeds that much help in securing a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Minaya is most to blame. he over played his hand. Too many 5-6 inning starters, and once Maine and Perez started to slump, the entire deck crumbled. They could not get 5 innings out of any starter at that point. Glavine, Duque and and a rehabbing Pedro is too much pressuer for most bullpens to have to endure. And for Minaya to be hanging on to Milledge, Gomez, Pelfrey, Humber as if they are ALL the gold standard is just ridiculous. Sort through your players, determine your true studs and use something as trade bait. They were just too stubborn to make moves thinking that they could have everything now, and everything for the future as well. Well they can't and they won't. If I hear that Glavine is a part of this staff next season, I will wretch. It is not his fault, but we just can't compose a staff that neeeds that much help in securing a game. SI Cover Jinx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 No team in the NL deserves a playoff spot. No team in the NL would even come close to making the playoffs in the AL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 No team in the NL would even come close to making the playoffs in the AL. Hell, none of 'em have earned a playoff spot in the NL, yet. Makes for a fun weekend for fans of those teams, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 No team in the NL deserves a playoff spot. No team in the NL would even come close to making the playoffs in the AL. As usual, blather without substance. How did the Yanks do against the NL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetCane Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 As usual, blather without substance. How did the Yanks do against the NL? I dont know. what was the Yanks record against the NL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 As usual, blather without substance. How did the Yanks do against the NL? They had a winning record, and btw thats irrelevant and weak due to small sample size. Tell me which NL team is better than the Yankees. With that being said, it doesn't mean the NL cant win the world series this year - anything can happen in 7 games - but over the course of 162, the cream rises to the top, and the NL has no cream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 I dont know. what was the Yanks record against the NL? 10-8 The Angels, Detroit and the Red Sox were the teams that dominated in Interleague play this year. i realize, this is a sample size and difficult to draw deep conclusions from, but it is more evidence than what Barton throws out. I will agree that the best teams are in the AL, but after the top 3-4, you could throw a blanket over everyone else. Like we are to believe that the Devil Rays and Orioles were such stiff competition. I hate the fantasy baseball statements that some of teh kids throw out here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 They had a winning record, and btw thats irrelevant and weak due to small sample size. Tell me which NL team is better than the Yankees. With that being said, it doesn't mean the NL cant win the world series this year - anything can happen in 7 games - but over the course of 162, the cream rises to the top, and the NL has no cream. It is all hypothetcal Barton. So stop puporting it as fact. You were all gung ho on teh AL East being teh best division in baseball, when it has two of the worst teams in all of baseball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 It is all hypothetcal Barton. So stop puporting it as fact. You were all gung ho on teh AL East being teh best division in baseball, when it has two of the worst teams in all of baseball It is not hypothetical that the Yankees are the Wild Card team in the AL, but have a better record than any team in the NL. Thats a fact. Baltimore and Tampa Bay at least have some great pitchers and hitters. They are better than plenty of teams in the NL - just goes to show you how terrible the NL is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 It is not hypothetical that the Yankees are the Wild Card team in the AL, but have a better record than any team in the NL. Thats a fact. Baltimore and Tampa Bay at least have some great pitchers and hitters. They are better than plenty of teams in the NL - just goes to show you how terrible the NL is. Again, no substantiation. But that is ok. You can believe what you want, does not make it fact. BTW-Tampa-7-11 against the NL. Orioles 6-12. Yeah, those teams rock, AL style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetCane Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 10-8 i realize, this is a sample size and difficult to draw deep conclusions from, but it is more evidence than what Barton throws out. As usual, blather without substance. In other news, the sun rose in the east today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Again, no substantiation. But that is ok. You can believe what you want, does not make it fact. BTW-Tampa-7-11 against the NL. Orioles 6-12. Yeah, those teams rock, AL style Ok, scott. So which team in the NL is better than the Yankees? I'm dying to hear you give a straight answer to that, and not a cop out "Its a hypothetical question that cannot be answered yadayada" answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Ok, scott. So which team in the NL is better than the Yankees? I'm dying to hear you give a straight answer to that, and not a cop out "Its a hypothetical question that cannot be answered yadayada" answer. Well, for one Colorado sure took them to task. When the Mets were right, I would put them up against the Yanks in any series. And they showed that during the 2 series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Barton, weren't you the guy that said the AL Est ahs the most fearsome line-ups? Runs scored for the Year- AL East 4029, NL East 3908 Difference 121 runs Roughly 24 Runs/team or roughly 1 run every 8 games/team I would tell you easily the DH Is worth 1 run over every 8 games, over a pitcher. Most fearsome line-ups? I think not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Well, for one Colorado sure took them to task. When the Mets were right, I would put them up against the Yanks in any series. And they showed that during the 2 series When the Mets were "right' and the yankees were bad the Mets went 3-3 vs the yankees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 When the Mets were "right' and the yankees were bad the Mets went 3-3 vs the yankees. And that proves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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