I wonder if D'BustaShaw will set

[DonCorleone]

a record this week for sacks allowed or for holding penalties.

[124]

Just so you know, through four games he has allowed TWO sacks and has went against Jarvis Green, Terrell Suggs, Jason Taylor and Aaron Schobel.

[#27TheDominator]

a record this week for sacks allowed or for holding penalties.

That's silly. Dbrick hasn't been all we'd hoped for in the running game, but he's held his own agains the pass rush. Calling him a bust is a joke. He's not Pace or Ogden, but he's not Ron Faurot either. You think he holds a lot? Remember Chris Ward? You are also comparing him to a T we might have ended up with if we'd taken a QB at #4. Winston Justice was probably the next T on the board. This was his first start and some places have him listed at guard. I'd rather have the guy that started every game of his career at LT.

[DonCorleone]

That's silly. Dbrick hasn't been all we'd hoped for in the running game, but he's held his own agains the pass rush. Calling him a bust is a joke. He's not Pace or Ogden, but he's not Ron Faurot either. You think he holds a lot? Remember Chris Ward? You are also comparing him to a T we might have ended up with if we'd taken a QB at #4. Winston Justice was probably the next T on the board. This was his first start and some places have him listed at guard. I'd rather have the guy that started every game of his career at LT.

When we picked him 4th overall...this is not what we had in mind. To me, he's a bust until he proves otherwise.

[NY JETS 29]

When we picked him 4th overall...this is not what we had in mind. To me, he's a bust until he proves otherwise.

Hes not anywhere close to a bust

[DonCorleone]

Hes not anywhere close to a bust

I completely disagree.

[K2C]

Brick has done very well this year..much improved from last year.

[bitonti]

When we picked him 4th overall...this is not what we had in mind. To me, he's a bust until he proves otherwise.

hey maybe you should fill out an application for the jets

they can use a good football mind like yours

[DonCorleone]

hey maybe you should fill out an application for the jets

they can use a good football mind like yours

Certainly much better than what we have.

[NY JETS 29]

to call him dabustashaw is dumb, to say you would to see more from him is fine, hes progressing every week, he is far from being a bust

[Iceman88]

Just so you know, through four games he has allowed TWO sacks and has went against Jarvis Green, Terrell Suggs, Jason Taylor and Aaron Schobel.

People hate him unfairly cause we drafted him 4th. He's apparently the reason Pennington sucks too according to some people.

[Pragmatic Bus]

Certainly much better than what we have.

AND YOU WOULDN'T EVEN NEED TO BULK UP

[DonCorleone]

AND YOU WOULDN'T EVEN NEED TO BULK UP

Damn it!

I was looking forward to some HGH

[ECURB]

He is only getting called for holding when the play breaks down and the QB needs to move around... and in that case... any tackle will hold... its a matter of not getting caught..

[AVM]

Just so you know, through four games he has allowed TWO sacks and has went against Jarvis Green, Terrell Suggs, Jason Taylor and Aaron Schobel.

QFT

[Pragmatic Bus]

Damn it!

I was looking forward to some HGH

HGH shrinks your testicles. scratch that. HGH makes your penis larger

[serphnx]

I'd rather the LT hold than let the guy blow right by him and kill the QB.

That being said, D'Brick has definitely not lived up to being the #4 pick. We should stop taking people whose first names start with D with the #4 pick, we know have two D-Busts on the lines.

[Cmart28Coles87]

Im tired of these "D'Brick's a bust" thread". Those 2 holding penalty calls were kinda bs anyways. Both flags were thrown when they play was almost over. He shut down Jason Taylor, Terrell Suggs and Aaron Shrobel and this guys a bust? Please, I question the football knowllege on actually knowing what it takes to play a position on a lot of people here for what I read here on a daily basis. Some of you people have absolutely no knowllege on what it take to play a position techinally.

[Damaged89]

He's steadily gotten better as the year has gone on. Last year Schobel absolutely ran him over, this year he held his own. He's not where we expected him to be yet but I'm not going to be worried if he keeps improving.

[lancemehl]

He is definitely NOT the biggest bust at #4 on this team, especially when you factor that the REAL #4 bust was moved up for.

At least with this coaching staff. We destroyed his play and his trade value(Our 1st biggest #4 bust,I mean)

Brick isn't a bust,but if we could do it again,how many people would have still taken him four. I hope for the integrity of this board's sake not many.

[gang_green03]

I think you guys are missing the point. If you're the #4 pick you're a bust unless you're hands down the best at your position and dominating the league day in and day out.

[Iceman88]

I think you guys are missing the point. If you're the #4 pick you're a bust unless you're hands down the best at your position and dominating the league day in and day out.

Thats not true at all though. That just means you have WAY too high of expectations of the #4 pick. No pick is a guarantee, as long as he is a productive starter for the rest of his career and we don't have to worry about LT till he retires I'm happy.

Seriously who would you rather have taken, Cutler isn't looking so amazing these days, Leinarts getting benched and we still haven't seen Kellen play enough yet to judge QBs. Even if we drafted Leinart or Cutler they would probably still be on the bench behind Pennington. There isn't a single top 10 pick from that draft who you could say that about, the closest arguments could go for Vince Young (drafted before we picked) and AJ Hawk.

[gang_green03]

Thats not true at all though. That just means you have WAY too high of expectations of the #4 pick. No pick is a guarantee, as long as he is a productive starter for the rest of his career and we don't have to worry about LT till he retires I'm happy.

Seriously who would you rather have taken, Cutler isn't looking so amazing these days, Leinarts getting benched and we still haven't seen Kellen play enough yet to judge QBs. Even if we drafted Leinart or Cutler they would probably still be on the bench behind Pennington. There isn't a single top 10 pick from that draft who you could say that about, the closest arguments could go for Vince Young (drafted before we picked) and AJ Hawk.

Lol you misunderstood my post. I was being sarcastic. I think Brick's doing fine and I never had any unrealistic expectations for him like some. As long as he continues to improve I'll be happy with him. How you can expect such a young player to dominate from day one is beyond me. Sometimes I think people would've been pissed with anything less than him outplaying Pace or Jones as a rookie.

[Iceman88]

Lol you misunderstood my post. I was being sarcastic. I think Brick's doing fine and I never had any unrealistic expectations for him like some. As long as he continues to improve I'll be happy with him. How you can expect such a young player to dominate from day one is beyond me.

Oh sorry I can't tell with those posts cause a lot of people say that and mean it.

[gang_green03]

Oh sorry I can't tell with those posts cause a lot of people say that and mean it.

Lol I know its scary.

[KINGDIRK]

Thats not true at all though. That just means you have WAY too high of expectations of the #4 pick. No pick is a guarantee, as long as he is a productive starter for the rest of his career and we don't have to worry about LT till he retires I'm happy.

Seriously who would you rather have taken, Cutler isn't looking so amazing these days, Leinarts getting benched and we still haven't seen Kellen play enough yet to judge QBs. Even if we drafted Leinart or Cutler they would probably still be on the bench behind Pennington. There isn't a single top 10 pick from that draft who you could say that about, the closest arguments could go for Vince Young (drafted before we picked) and AJ Hawk.

I dont think he is a bust, but can any Jets fan say they are not truly concerned? I think he will turn out to be a solid pass protector but I rarely see him blow defenders off the ball. Id love him to go the Shawn Merriman "diet" and put on 20 pounds of muscle.

...Could have traded down in '06 draft and taken Haloti Ngata, who is actually a nose tackle who fits in the 3-4 scheme. Crazy idea right, to actually get 3-4 players to play in this 3-4 that we have.

[Iceman88]

I dont think he is a bust, but can any Jets fan say they are not truly concerned? I think he will turn out to be a solid pass protector but I rarely see him blow defenders off the ball. Id love him to go the Shawn Merriman "diet" and put on 20 pounds of muscle.

...Could have traded down in '06 draft and taken Haloti Ngata, who is actually a nose tackle who fits in the 3-4 scheme. Crazy idea right, to actually get 3-4 players to play in this 3-4 that we have.

Commenting on your first part of the post everybody knew DBrick wasn't a huge blocker who will open holes in the run game. He's a good pass blocker who needs to be paired next to a big guard for the left side of our line to really excel at run and pass blocking. Thats why the FO doing nothing about the LG situation is troubling.

As for the second part yeah its nice to say we should have traded down but how do you know we didn't try that. There isn't always a taker for trading down. Fans always say the FO should have done this or that in hindsight but the opportunities aren't always there when the decisions were made. I love Ngata and would have loved to taken him 4th but we didn't theres no reason b*tching about it now.

[gang_green03]

I dont think he is a bust, but can any Jets fan say they are not truly concerned? I think he will turn out to be a solid pass protector but I rarely see him blow defenders off the ball. Id love him to go the Shawn Merriman "diet" and put on 20 pounds of muscle.

...Could have traded down in '06 draft and taken Haloti Ngata, who is actually a nose tackle who fits in the 3-4 scheme. Crazy idea right, to actually get 3-4 players to play in this 3-4 that we have.

That's the only arguement I can understand. Ngata would've been a good NT pick. However, at the time Brick was the sound choice and was rated considerably higher than Ngata as a prosect otherwise the Ravens wouldn't have got him. Its also not so easy to just trade down you have to find a willing partner that will give you good value, who knows if that was even an option or not. I don't know if you were an advocate of Ngata at the time but many weren't and its too easy to look back in hindsight. Plus its still not a given that he'd be a dominant NT. He plays DE in Baltimore and has a lot of talent around him and a great NT next to him. He is a beast though.

Brick has been a good pass blocker and if he continues to improve should be a great pass blocker. He hovers around average to below average at run blocking but if he can improve on that some and be the elite pass protector that his talent suggests than he's a great pick and one of the best LTs in the league. If this is the best he can play than its reasonable to call him a disappointment, still not a bust. A bust doesn't start and hold his own agaisnt great players and a bust isn't better than other starters at his position. However, there is no current reason to believe he won't continue to get better because he has shown improvement in his game thus far.

BTW, his game never was being a road grader for the RB so you might have had unrealistic expectations. He was drafted for the purpose of protecting the QB first and foremost. Most LT aren't dominating run-blockers with a few exeptions.

[KINGDIRK]

Commenting on your first part of the post everybody knew DBrick wasn't a huge blocker who will open holes in the run game. He's a good pass blocker who needs to be paired next to a big guard for the left side of our line to really excel at run and pass blocking. Thats why the FO doing nothing about the LG situation is troubling.

As for the second part yeah its nice to say we should have traded down but how do you know we didn't try that. There isn't always a taker for trading down. Fans always say the FO should have done this or that in hindsight but the opportunities aren't always there when the decisions were made. I love Ngata and would have loved to taken him 4th but we didn't theres no reason b*tching about it now.

Im not b1tching...just talking. The Jets took DBrick expecting there LT position is locked down for the next decade. I hope so, just a little concerned.

As for Ngata, of course all that is 20/20. Just throwing it out there. Going into that draft we needed to rebuild the Oline so tough to complain. Mangold will be very good. I was just hoping DBrick ended up in the Orlando Pace catagory....would make a huge difference.

My biggest problem with the Tangini administration is the 3-4 defense. I think its going to be very hard to find a 330 pound beast to play the nose. And in the 3-4, it REALLY helps to have a dope playmakers at OLB...(Merriman, Ware, etc). Bryan Thomas is NOT that.

[Arsis]

I bet dbrick does a good job against osi and shuts him down.

[Thai Jet]

a record this week for sacks allowed or for holding penalties.

My you ARE one negative dude.

[Thai Jet]

Im not b1tching...just talking. The Jets took DBrick expecting there LT position is locked down for the next decade. I hope so, just a little concerned.

As for Ngata, of course all that is 20/20. Just throwing it out there. Going into that draft we needed to rebuild the Oline so tough to complain. Mangold will be very good. I was just hoping DBrick ended up in the Orlando Pace catagory....would make a huge difference.

My biggest problem with the Tangini administration is the 3-4 defense. I think its going to be very hard to find a 330 pound beast to play the nose. And in the 3-4, it REALLY helps to have a dope playmakers at OLB...(Merriman, Ware, etc). Bryan Thomas is NOT that.

Good observation. Lots of teams would like one and they're pretty scarce.

[ThunderbirdJet]

D'Brick is playing like a #25 LT draft pick, in my opinion. He does not have the whole package to measure up to having been a #4. So, how one defines a bust is what I think this debate is all about. I thought then, as I think now, that he was over rated. The scouting reports on him were very accurate. Has a lack of strength, has trouble keeping wieght on, has trouble with the bull rush, is not an effective run blocker, is very fast, great against speed rushers and can pull and block in space exceptionally well.

In the words of Dennis Green, "He (they) are who we thought he (they) was!" Maybe we should just crown his arse! He just isn't that good, and I don't believe he ever will be. He'll be a servicable LT. Good enough. Not pro bowl material.

The knee jerk comparison is Gallery, but Brick can at least play in the NFL at LT, while Gallery could not. Gallery is a true bust, while D'Brick is in the "disappointment" category.

[Thai Jet]

D'Brick is playing like a #25 LT draft pick, in my opinion. He does not have the whole package to measure up to having been a #4. So, how one defines a bust is what I think this debate is all about. I thought then, as I think now, that he was over rated. The scouting reports on him were very accurate. Has a lack of strength, has trouble keeping wieght on, has trouble with the bull rush, is not an effective run blocker, is very fast, great against speed rushers and can pull and block in space exceptionally well.

In the words of Dennis Green, "He (they) are who we thought he (they) was!" Maybe we should just crown his arse! He just isn't that good, and I don't believe he ever will be. He'll be a servicable LT. Good enough. Not pro bowl material.

The knee jerk comparison is Gallery, but Brick can at least play in the NFL at LT, while Gallery could not. Gallery is a true bust, while D'Brick is in the "disappointment" category.

And Gallery was considered all world while at Iowa. Just shows what good coaching at the college level can do. I do agree with your conclusion. D'Brick is indeed a disappointment thus far. Hopefully he'll improve each year.