TaborJet Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 There are a few Daily News articles that mention Tony LaRussa as the next possible manager of the Yankees. Thoughts? http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/10/09/2007-10-09_yanks_fall_to_indians_in_4_games_joe_tor-2.html http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/10/09/2007-10-09_steinbrenner_knows_he_needs_a_star_to_re.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Tony LaRussa may be the worst manager in baseball. Good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Tony LaRussa may be the worst manager in baseball. Good luck with that. and just plain wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 and just plain wrong. Yeah, what would I know? I never watch the Cardinals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYjet10 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 its gonna be mattingly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Tony is not the type you would want in the NY media. He would melt, IMO. He needs a team in a smaller market, like the A's. Or he should stay where he is, where the fans are passionate, but the media circus is not at all like NY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Bill Madden is a Daily News douchebag who still thinks it is 1985 and George is still the George of old. La Russa is probably the last guy I would want managing this team. Girardi should be the guy if the Yanks don't offer Torre a new contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 There is a reason Girardi is still in the Yankee broadcast booth and not in Baltimore or some place else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latinlawyer Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 La Russa is a bad fit in NY. Look at Randy Johnson as a player vs. the Media and that will be laRussa. Joe and larussa are the polar opposites. You are better off keeping joe. LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 I think Joe G and Donnie Baseball would be the next in line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uart Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 its gonna be mattingly I love Mattingly... but it NEEDS to be Girardi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Tony LaRussa may be the worst manager in baseball. Good luck with that. LOL @ That. All you need to know about Tony LaRussa is to look at the stats of his bullpens and see the CRAP that has productive seasons for him. That and he brings Dave Duncan with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 I was at an A's vs the Yankees game back in the bash brothers days. Canseco, McGwire etc. They had Eck and were just beating the Yankees every game those years it seemed. The A's are winning lik 6 - 0 (I don't remember the exact score) it was definitely at least 4 runs. He didn't bring in Eck. Against the weak hitting lineup that they shut out all day LaRussa goes lefty - righty - lefty in the 9th. LOL, he used 3 pitchers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 I was at an A's vs the Yankees game back in the bash brothers days. Canseco, McGwire etc. They had Eck and were just beating the Yankees every game those years it seemed. The A's are winning lik 6 - 0 (I don't remember the exact score) it was definitely at least 4 runs. He didn't bring in Eck. Against the weak hitting lineup that they shut out all day LaRussa goes lefty - righty - lefty in the 9th. LOL, he used 3 pitchers. Why is that a bad thing? The guy uses his whole pen and NEVER burns out arms the way torre does. With Torre pitchers sit for months without getting used and 2-3 guys pitch 95% of the innings until their arms fall off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 LaRussa is about as overated as they come. Yeah he has won 2 World Championships but he has also come up woefully short in the World Series. 1988 swept by the Dodgers 1990 swept by the Reds 2004 swept by the Red Sox Hey I'll give LaRussa credit. He has those two titles on his resume he is just not the guy I would want. I'd rather go with a Girardi who will continue to work and develop the kids like Hughes, Jaba, Kennedy, Duncan, Melky because that is where the future lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 LaRussa is about as overated as they come. Yeah he has won 2 World Championships but he has also come up woefully short in the World Series. 1988 swept by the Dodgers 1990 swept by the Reds 2004 swept by the Red Sox Hey I'll give LaRussa credit. He has those two titles on his resume he is just not the guy I would want. I'd rather go with a Girardi who will continue to work and develop the kids like Hughes, Jaba, Kennedy, Duncan, Melky because that is where the future lies. Why do you think that a guy like Girardi (WHO GOT FIRED FOR MISUSING YOUNG PITCHERS) is the guy to develop the yankees' young players and not a hall of fame manager and the best pitching coach in baseball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Why do you think that a guy like Girardi (WHO GOT FIRED FOR MISUSING YOUNG PITCHERS) is the guy to develop the yankees' young players and not a hall of fame manager and the best pitching coach in baseball? Girardi was fired because he basically told the owner to shut the F up. Don't think Girardi is going to be doing that here. How did that hof manager do this year with the best pitching coach. They were 78-84 with a team ERA of 4.65. Good for 11th in NL this past season. Marlins with Girardi Team ERA 4.37 Marlins without Girardi Team ERA 4.94 Dead last in the National League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Girardi was fired because he basically told the owner to shut the F up. Don't think Girardi is going to be doing that here. How did that hof manager do this year with the best pitching coach. They were 78-84 with a team ERA of 4.65. Good for 11th in NL this past season. Marlins with Girardi Team ERA 4.37 Marlins without Girardi Team ERA 4.94 Dead last in the National League You can't use team ERA to judge how a manager used their young pitching. He told the owner and GM to shut up about his abuse of these young pitchers. One of the reasons their team ERA was higher this year is because Garardi blew out Josh Johnson and Anibal Sanchez's arms and they didn't pitch at all this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 You can't use team ERA to judge how a manager used their young pitching. He told the owner and GM to shut up about his abuse of these young pitchers. One of the reasons their team ERA was higher this year is because Garardi blew out Josh Johnson and Anibal Sanchez's arms and they didn't pitch at all this year. Josh Johnson pitched 31 games and made 24 starts. The guy pitched 157 innings. Annibel Sanchez: 18 games 17 starts. 114 innings pitched. That doesn't sound like a guy who abused his pitchers. The Marlins had one guy pitch over 200 innings and that was Willis. Borowski pitched the most games out of the pen as their closer, 72 games 69.1 innings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Josh Johnson pitched 31 games and made 24 starts. The guy pitched 157 innings. Annibel Sanchez: 18 games 17 starts. 114 innings pitched. That doesn't sound like a guy who abused his pitchers. The Marlins had one guy pitch over 200 innings and that was Willis. Borowski pitched the most games out of the pen as their closer, 72 games 69.1 innings. The marlins GM who is one of the best GM's in the sport thought so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Why is that a bad thing? The guy uses his whole pen and NEVER burns out arms the way torre does. With Torre pitchers sit for months without getting used and 2-3 guys pitch 95% of the innings until their arms fall off. He warmed up and pitched 3 pitchers in a game that was already over. Not sure how that could be considered a good thing. It was over managing at it's finest. What is this little league? We have to get them all their minimum playing time. LaRussa or Valentine are smug. They would fight with the players imo. The ego thing is an issue here and Torre handles it perfectly. If they decide to let him walk I understand why. But all it is going to take to keep him is one rumor that the Mets are interested. Then he is coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 He warmed up and pitched 3 pitchers in a game that was already over. Not sure how that could be considered a good thing. It was over managing at it's finest. What is this little league? We have to get them all their minimum playing time. LaRussa or Valentine are smug. They would fight with the players imo. The ego thing is an issue here and Torre handles it perfectly. If they decide to let him walk I understand why. But all it is going to take to keep him is one rumor that the Mets are interested. Then he is coming back. Maybe he was getting his bullpen pitchers work in a game that was over? He's a BRILLIANT manager of a bullpen and the numbers prove that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 I dont know about LaRussa, but Dave Duncan would be great. Yankees need a great pitching coach; Guidry aint it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 Maybe he was getting his bullpen pitchers work in a game that was over? He's a BRILLIANT manager of a bullpen and the numbers prove that out. Alright let me just say this is pointless. He went lefty right lefty to mell hall, steve balboni and some other crappy lefty batter. In a game that was over. he was getting them work, okay. That's just swell. His A's teams should have won more than they did. He is a good Manager. I don't want him here though. (I don't actually know who the players were at the game). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted October 9, 2007 Share Posted October 9, 2007 LaRussa is overated. Most great managers are, imo. But he is 100x less overated than Torre is(was). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Why do you think that a guy like Girardi (WHO GOT FIRED FOR MISUSING YOUNG PITCHERS) is the guy to develop the yankees' young players and not a hall of fame manager and the best pitching coach in baseball? Adam Wainwreight threw 202 innings this year in his second season. Chris Carpenter threw 463 and a 3rd innings in 05-06 before miraculously blowing his arm out. In 2000, 21 year old Rick Ankiel threw 175 innings. I think we know how that one turned out. If you want to know the reason why LaRussa's bullpen doesn't log many innings, it's because a.)he overmanages the **** out of the game, and b.)he kills his starters. It's just funny to me that sabremetrician madmike wants the guy that batted David Eckstein leadoff for 3 years to come manage his team. You can't make this **** up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 You can't use team ERA to judge how a manager used their young pitching. He told the owner and GM to shut up about his abuse of these young pitchers. One of the reasons their team ERA was higher this year is because Garardi blew out Josh Johnson and Anibal Sanchez's arms and they didn't pitch at all this year. |The beef between Girardi and ownership was not related to any abuse of young pitchers arms. Management actually wanted Josh Johnson to START the year in the rotation, while Girardi had him in the bullpen. That is not ABUSE of an arm. Now, Girardi did hurt Johnson in a September game, when he had him come back after a rain delay and pitch after he felt tightness in his forearm. That was the forerunner of all the arm problems that Johnson had this year. This was also AFTER the big tiff that Girardi had with ownership related to his refusal to argue a call with the umps. That is when Girarid told the owner to shut the F up. That had nothing to do with managing a staff, and was the pivotalpoint of his ultimate dismissal. The owner wanted to release Girardi that night, but the GM talked him out of it. Please, get the facts straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I think Joe G and Donnie Baseball would be the next in line... Joe Girardi is the guy I want. NOT Mattingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Joe Girardi is the guy I want. NOT Mattingly. That's just great, maybe he has a myspace and you can talk to him that way. The rest of us are trying to talk baseball here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Adam Wainwreight threw 202 innings this year in his second season. Chris Carpenter threw 463 and a 3rd innings in 05-06 before miraculously blowing his arm out. In 2000, 21 year old Rick Ankiel threw 175 innings. I think we know how that one turned out. If you want to know the reason why LaRussa's bullpen doesn't log many innings, it's because a.)he overmanages the **** out of the game, and b.)he kills his starters. It's just funny to me that sabremetrician madmike wants the guy that batted David Eckstein leadoff for 3 years to come manage his team. You can't make this **** up. I can't blame him for Carpenter or Ankeil and It's good thing the yankees don't have crap like Eckstein batting lea doff. I doubt i'd agree with any manager 100% but I feel that bullpen management is more important than who bats where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I doubt i'd agree with any manager 100% but I feel that bullpen management is more important than who bats where. If ARod hit 54 home runs out of the 8 spot in the lineup I am pretty sure nobody would have complained about Scott Proctor being overused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 If ARod hit 54 home runs out of the 8 spot in the lineup I am pretty sure nobody would have complained about Scott Proctor being overused. Who bats where means very little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Who bats where means very little. Giambi should lead off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 Who bats where means very little. You know, I'm usually on the same page with all the Bill James stuff, but that one is just stupid beyond words. I guess the Cubs should hit the pitcher leadoff and hit DLee, Aramis, and Sori 7-8-9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 You know, I'm usually on the same page with all the Bill James stuff, but that one is just stupid beyond words. I guess the Cubs should hit the pitcher leadoff and hit DLee, Aramis, and Sori 7-8-9. Billy Martin once batted Rich Rhoden 7th in the AL. That was sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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