The "Fooling Yourself" Edition of Post of the Week - October 11th, 2007

[GreenBeans]

I'll let Tommy Shaw say it all this week...

You see the world through your cynical eyes

You're a troubled young man I can tell

You've got it all in the palm of your hand

But your hand's wet with sweat and your head needs a rest

And you're fooling yourself if you don't believe it

You're kidding yourself if you don't believe it

How can you be such an angry young man

When your future looks quite bright to me

How can there be such a sinister plan

That could hide such a lamb, such a caring young man

You're fooling yourself if you don't believe it

You're kidding yourself if you don't believe it

Get up, get back on your feet

You're the one they can't beat and you know it

Come on, let's see what you've got

Just take your best shot and don't blow it

You're fooling yourself if you don't believe it

You're killing yourself if you don't believe it

Get up, get back on your feet

You're the one they can't beat and you know it

Come on, let's see what you've got

Just take your best shot and don't blow it.

This can refer to many, many people in the New York Jets organization these days, I'm afraid.

On to the nominations for the week...

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Topic: Jets/ Gints roll call! who is going??

Originally Posted by 124

Yes and at the Eagles game we will come up to you disguised as the Titans of New York and take your life and your hummer.

Originally Posted by joebabyny

Yeah you would love that wouldn't you, catching a hummer from a dude, FAGGGGGGGGGGG! lol,

Originally Posted by Brenjetsfan

I'm in....

Originally Posted by joebabyny

for the game or the hummer??

(Editor's Note: Just a guess here, but I'm thinking the game, joejoe.)

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Topic: Chad quote: How dumb does he think we are?

Originally Posted by barton

I wanted Vinny out and Chad in. I remember because the Jets were 1-4 and Vinny was obviously done and we had a QB on the bench who was drafted ror a reason. I was in 8th grade back then, so the memory is still there.

Back to the thread topic: How f'ing dumb does Chad think we are? He's a sneaky little country boy. I dont buy his BS and neither should anyone else. He can stick his rhodes scholar award up his ***.

Originally Posted by jojodogs

I just cant imagine the reporter being able to hold back laughing his azz off. Or at least slap him right across the mouth.

(Editor's Note: Maybe Chad learned the perfect technique for cooking stakes, did you ever think of that. See, Herm Edwards IS still relevant in New York. )

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Topic: Peter King doesn't think will score a touchdown

Originally Posted by AVM

Peter King has as much football knowledge as Rosie has attractiveness.

(Editor's Note: Come on, that's not fair at all. I'm sure there is a lesbian somewhere that thinks Rosie is kinda "hot"...)

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Originally Posted by ecurb2369

IM a QB guy... you will have to deal with the same BS when Chad is gone...

I supported Brooks... Ill support anyone!

Originally Posted by Thai Jet

So basically what you are saying is that you're an athletic supporter. Do I have that right?

(Editor's Note: Ahhhh, that explains the preoccupation with rockets...)

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Topic: Joe Must GO!

Originally Posted by Scott Dierking

Pulling Wang would have caused an eruption from the fans.

(Editor's Note: ...among other things...)

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Originally Posted by Irish Jet

I'll take a diet pepsi for him, I'm thirsty.

Originally Posted by Sperm Edwards

And if you spilled the whole thing on the floor before taking a sip, it would still be a good trade.

(Editor's Note: The nickel you get from returning can or bottle would be about an even deal.)

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Topic: Chad's new throwing stance

Originally Posted by Bugg

Jets QB Chad Pennington tries out a new throwing motion, wherein he heaves the ball downfield in the manner of 3rd world rockthrowers and WTO trustafararians. We'll see if it works. It cannot be more ineffective than his current noodle arm follow through, so what the hell.

http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2007/09/24/alg_jets-pennington.jpg[/img]

(Editor's Note: Chad should start talking to Tim Wakefield...)

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Topic: ****THE OFFICIAL JETS VS. GIANTS GAMEDAY THREAD*****

Originally Posted by AVM

What game are you watching, because I'd like to see a Defense thats doing its job. Kerry Rhodes made A good play...thats it. This Defense is as bad as Chad or Nugent, but none of the so-called real Jets fans(since the Chad fans arent real) seem to be able to see that.

Originally Posted by The Troll

The defense has given up 7 points and they've also scored the Jets' only points. How is that not playing well?

What do you people expect? The ****ing Steel Curtain? 7 points in a half? 7 x 2 = 14. If you hold the other team to 14 points and lose, it's because you're QB ****ing sucks.

(Editor's Note: Not necessarily true, Troll - the Oline could be bad. Of course the Oline played pretty well this past weekend, so that excuse is out....)

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Topic: ****THE OFFICIAL JETS VS. GIANTS GAMEDAY THREAD*****

Originally Posted by Irish Jet

I dont care what you idiots say Chad is playing great and I mean great!!!

(Editor's Note: Please note the time-stamp on this message - 10-07-2007, 03:28 PM - just about the same time as the jump ball INT. Bad timing sucks...)

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Originally Posted by BP

It's not GGM's fault, look at what douche nozzle started the game thread somewhere else?

http://www.jetsinsider.net/forums/showthread.php?t=153590

Yes, that's the douche nozzle DWC starting the game thread at JI.

What a ****ing jerkoff. it cost us the game. blame DWC, it's all his fault again. he just doesn't get it.

Originally Posted by Panzer Division Marduk

Stop stalking him, it'll lower your BP, BP.

Originally Posted by BP

You're right, Panzer.

On top of all this, I had to sit next to Max all day.

Originally Posted by Panzer Division Marduk

http://www.sittinaround.com/media/huge_manatee.jpg[/img]

(Editor's Note: Max's newest website venture??? -> http://www.hornymanatee.com/ ???)

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Topic: Mangini=Herm

Originally Posted by Jet Moses

It's just more cruel irony.

Herm took over a solid 3-4 team and trashed it. Mangini took over a 4-3 train wreck and insisted on turning it back into a 3-4, rather than salvaging it.

7 years later and Jets fans are still taking it up the stove pipe.

And Woody couldn't give two sh*ts otherwise.

(Editor's Note: "That's the way it is with a wiseguy partner. He gets his money no matter what. You got no business? **** you, pay me. You had a fire? **** you, pay me. The place got hit by lightning? **** you, pay me.")

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Topic: New Chad Pennington Smiley?

Originally Posted by BP

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/taga68/smilies/gayqb.gif[/img]

(Editor's Note: Hey, that smiley throws a nice ball. )

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The following link to JI was nominated:

http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153710

(Editor's Note: You can nominate it but it won't win - JI has finally reached the point of being absolutely pathetic.)

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Topic: i am at hofstra today

Originally Posted by jetsrule128

what should i throw onto there practice area?

Originally Posted by Sperm Edwards

Run onto the field & see if they can tackle you before you go 9 yards.

(Editor's Note: Make sure you find #36 and/or #21 and run to their side of the field - you are guaranteed an extra 5 to 7 yards.)

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Co-Runner-up of the Week Sponsored by The Bionic Woman - she's got an awesome arm!

Topic: 1 Year

Originally Posted by Jetsfan80

Guys, in the last 2 games, Chad Pennington has had 4 fourth quarter interceptions. FOUR. That is unacceptable. Even ecurb has to admit this. And while the Giants defense is above average, even top 10, the Bills D was NOT.

Does this mean Mangini is excused? Of course not, the buck stops with the Head Coach. Which means that, if he uses Pennington again NEXT week against the Eagles, he better have a GREAT explanation for doing so. If I performed on the job like Pennington has (compared to other NFL QB's), I'd deserve to be fired. Pennington must ride the bench this week and give Clemens a chance to show if he can do it any better.

I think a lot of people have been holding out hope that the 2002 Pennington would show up. After all, he was healthy last season, and we went to the playoffs again.

The problem is, defenses have learned a lot about Pennington since 2002. They've learned the following:

1) They can load up to stop the run and not be punished by the long ball.

2) Stay at home on screen passes and short dump offs. Keep the YAC to a minimum, and you will have success.

3) Blitz, blitz, blitz. When Pennington does not have time to look for his check down receiver, one of 2 things will happen: a) sack, potentially interceptable throw.

4) Pennington can do neither of the following: a) have ANY kind of success against an elite defense, lead a 4th quarter comeback. If you have a lead of 8 points or more late in the 3rd quarter, you can be supremely confident that you will win.

5) When it rains, it pours. Pennington has his worst games when his defense doesn't pick him up. Things tend to go from bad to worse; when his rhythym is upset, he'll go from a bad game to a horrible one, and throw pick after pick. See: All games against New England in the last 4 years except for @ NE last year.

Pennington's margin for error is VERY slim. He can't have receivers drop passes, he can't win when the defense struggles, and he can't run a 2-minute drill offense to save his life, so he had BETTER have a lead late in the game if the Jets are going to win on a given Sunday.

That's why games like the last 2 weeks occur. The elite QB's in this league simply do not allow these things to happen. Brady and Manning find ways to win even when their defense is playing poorly or the team is behind late in the game. Pennington cannot do this, which makes him an average QB. Not good, not terrible, but average.

Clemens has not proven to be better yet. But we have to give him his chance in this season, one where the playoffs are pretty much out of the question. He showed flashes of brilliance against the Ravens in a situation where the team WAS trailing in the 4th quarter, something Pennington has NEVER done.

It's time for a change, Coach.

(Editor's Note: I could not agree more - it's time for a change.)

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Originally Posted by Max

When Greg Maddux wanted a personal catcher I was okay with the thought. He was one of the top pitchers in the game. The loss of offense wasn't as big a deal.

When a career journeyman has one, I don't agree. I know he won 15 games this year but cmon he sucks!

Originally Posted by Jetsfan80

I was thinking the same thing, Max. It's like a part-time worker at Wal-Mart having Jessica Alba as a personal secretary.

(Editor's Note: Hey, what's wrong with Max working at Walmart and who knew that JFBM looked like Ms. Alba?!?)

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Originally Posted by jojodogs

I,see you sobered up and decided to go back with chad. How nice, no longer to confused

Originally Posted by Irish Jet

How in the name of all that is real are you not banned after yesterday????

What must you do to get banned around here????

(Editor's Note: It's what you refuse to do that will getcha, IJ....)

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Topic: **** The Official YANKS VS. INDIANS Game 4 thread****

Originally Posted by Bob

I'm pissed. What a weak showing. Gutless, gutless baseball.

I'm extra pissed because my kids gave me a Yankees necktie for my birthday and I was looking forward to wearing it to work tomorrow. Unless something remarkable happens, I'll be so pissed, I won't be able to make myself wear it until spring.

Screw you, Yankees. Your attitude reminds me of the ****ing Jets.

***I reserve the right to recant this post and wear my necktie if the Yanks miraculously pull off the comeback.

(Editor's Note: Keep that tie nice and neat in the box until opening day, Bob. It's a shame he season had to end that way for the Yanks...)

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Topic: Still tied for 2nd place!

Originally Posted by PaJetFan

AFC EAST Runner up here we come! Bring it on Fins. The race for 4 wins is ooooooonnnn!!!!

Oh, yeah baby! Don't laugh...but nobody but the Pats are ahead of us JETS!

And who knows...anything can happen. We're easlly only one (New England) charter team plane crash away from dominating this division right now!

Seriously JetNation...if the entire New England offense and defense burn in the wreckage, the Jets could definitely compete with an all free agent and practice squad New England 'replacemen' team coached by Wade Boggs.

Let's do this!

(Editor's Note: Paging Dr.Nussbaum, Dr. Nussbaum - Code Blue in the Psychiatric Ward...)

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Originally Posted by Max

Dear Senior Mod (Smizzy),

Please take over the search for the game thread starter. BP is a rookie who was unprepared. Much like Jaba getting annoyed by bugs, BP lost his focus.

A few short months ago he was just another poster on a different site. I saw potential in him and took him under my wing. His rise to the majors has been quick. We like our chances with him long term. He is clearly overwhelmed right now. He goes to games, meets the dunkin donut girls and sits with famous webmasters. His head must be spinning.

But he clearly is not ready now. Take this task, fix it and save the Jets season. The Nation is counting on you.

BP -- stay in shape. Stay by the phone. We will call you if a roster spot opens again.

Thanks,

JetNation (the site that cares)

(Editor's Note: Looks to me that some "famous webmaster" is going the way of George Steinbrenner - he cannot make up what's left of his mind...)

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Topic: JetNation.com Top Ten

Originally Posted by Nick Ferraro

1. New England Patriots

...Nice touch by Team Class throwing the ball in the end zone up double digits with under two minutes left against the Brownies.

(Editor's Note: There is one an extra "C" and "l" in this sentence - can you find them?)

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Topic: Alarming trend

Originally Posted by Garb

Although it these disparaging comments/words have been used often enough here at Jetnation, I have noticed lately this usage has increased and I wonder "what gives?"

Everything negative, whiney, wimpy and ...um...."faggy" is referred to in the feminine sense. For example(s):

Smizzy tells BP to stop his crying and buy more "tampons."

Thor tells Tabor to stop "crying like a little girl."

4H calls the Penguin the "mangina"

Max says he "wears the skirt in the family"

Please explain.

Originally Posted by faba

A trend that has continued here since I can remember is that someone from up Boston 's way complaining.

(Editor's Note: Ouch - faba really should not take pot shots at Gainzo in Garb's thread, it's just not cool.)

[GreenBeans]

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Topic: Alarming trend

Originally Posted by Jetcane

Sorry I'm late, BP.

I was watching a replay of Mangina's presser where someone asked him why it seemed the Jets' DL were playing like they were wearing skirts, and he told everyone to wash the sand out of their vaginas.

(Editor's Note: ...and that, ladies and gentleman, puts a nice bow on wrap-up. Sorry about your 'canes, JC. )

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Topic: The Jets are a team in rebuilding mode.

Originally Posted by Sperm Edwards

There were several NT's available in '06 and '07 who at least loosely fit the mold of a 3-4 NT. They had varying degrees of talent or gas left in the tank, but we didn't even bring in any of the over-the-hill ones to use on short-yardage, goal-line, or obvious running downs.

Ma'ake Kemoeatu (UFA)

Haloti Ngata ('06 draft)

Gabe Watson ('06 draft)

Ted Washington (UFA)

Sam Adams (UFA)

Dan Wilkinson (UFA)

Grady Jackson (UFA)

Paul Soliai ('07 draft)

Marcus Bell (UFA)

Now every single one of them isn't "the answer" here & not all are prototypical for the 3-4, but how could they draft or bring in NONE of them with a glaring hole at such a key position?

Next year there are some FA's I guess who could work out. Again, they have varying degrees of suitability for the middle of a 3-4 or in actual talent:

Albert Haynesworth (probably more suited to DE in the 3-4)

Tommy Kelly (same thing)

Pat Williams (turns 35 in 2 weeks)

Isaac Sopoaga (worth a look; he at least fits the mold at ~6'2/330 & SF plays a 3-4 so it won't be totally new to him; currently a backup on a crap team)

Ethan Kelley (see Sopoaga)

Draft: (I freely admit I have not seen these guys play; just going by size. Anyone who knows anything about them I'd love to read what you know):

Antonio Dixon, Miami - 6'3/335 (junior) - 'cane please fill us in...

B.J. Raji, B.C. - 6-1/340 (junior; academically ineligible this yr)

Frank Morton, Tulane - 6'3/327

(Editor's Note: It's always fun to watch grown men pine away for the big, fat guys - and then we get more of it outside of the mod's lounge here. Cool!)

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Originally Posted by GreenBeans

Yeah, Alksterisk is a classy mofo.

Originally Posted by SoFlaJets

POTW nom...oops...um...never mind

(The Explanation: "You're way too humble to ever nominate yourself for a win GB" - SoFlaJets)

(Editor's Note: SoFla gets a nomination for this post and for his explanation. This legume is a big fan of SoFla and his music. )

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Originally Posted by Garb

Although these disparaging comments/words have been used often enough here at Jetnation, I have noticed lately usage has increased and I wonder "what gives?"

Everything negative, whiney, wimpy and ...um...."faggy" is referred to in the feminine sense. For example(s):

Smizzy tells BP to stop his crying and buy more "tampons."

Thor tells Tabor to stop "crying like a little girl."

124 calls the Penguin the "mangina"

Max says he "wears the skirt in the family"

Faba calls himself "Spermy's 'lil bitch."

Please explain.

Originally Posted by GreenMachine

since you spend so much time here, would that make you a "fag hag"?

(Editor's Note: Even Garb has to laugh at this, doesn't she? [link=http://books.google.com/books?id=38TUZC7S4R0C&pg=PA551&lpg=PA551&dq=%22laugh+at+one's+self%22&source=web&ots=LxC8zeaRip&sig=TpIRXD25IsS9ufZfd0-wD-eCu_0]To laugh at one's self is to preserve one's self from the effects of an exaggerated self-love. I have noticed that the people who never joke are gifted with a childish and insupportable vanity.[/link])

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Topic: Shower Rankings - Week 6

Originally Posted by onemanswarm

32: Miami Dolphins (0-5): 9 field goals? Why don’t I just turn gay and watch soccer?

(Editor's Note: http://i.a.cnn.net/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0606/cupfans/images/fan_16.jpg[/img] = onemanswarm?)

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Topic: I am going to Big the little toe....

Originally Posted by GreenMachine

And say the Tribe beat the rockies in the WS.

And for my out, I will not say what year this will happen

(Editor's Note: You are a brave, brave man GM...)

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Co-Runner-up of the Week Sponsored by The Bionic Woman - she's got an awesome arm!

Topic: Chad Supporter and Hater Label

Originally Posted by DMaynard

I love Chad. I was thrilled to see him make an impossible comeback last year against all odds. With an off season to rest and get stronger, I was expecting big things from him this year. And although I have liked Clemen's potential since I saw him in college, I believed this was still Chad's team and they could go far. Obviously, the Jets have a lot of problems and their 1 - 4 record is hardly all Chad's fault.

But ... you have to be truly blind to watch Chad this year and not see that he has lost what little arm strength he had. I don't know why. All I know is what I see. And it is the same thing that every defensive back in the league sees. Opposing defenses will continue to stack the LOS against the run and defensive backs will play tight man-to-man and look to jump routes whenever they can. It is over for Chad. Done. With all of their problems and the way the Pats are playing, the season is over for the Jets. Might as well start Clemens and see if he is our future QB.

It is really that simple. Thank you, Chad. You are a class act and a good man. You gave us some terrific moments. Would love to see you as a QB coach. But it is time to move on.

(Editor's Note: Excellent post - I feel much the same, #13.)

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Originally Posted by SoFlaJets

I just want to take a moment here to thank you all for NOT rubbing it in our collective faces this season-because God knows, WE most certainly would be doing it to you if the shoe were on the other foot.

Originally Posted by GreenMachine

They know that. It is not a big deal to Pats fans. All season ticket holders were sent advance footage on how all jets games would turn out.

(Editor's Note: Do they receive that in an envelope that is stamped "WARNING: Spoilers within!"? Just wondering...)

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And this week's winner....

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Originally Posted by NJ

I don't give us much of a shot at .500 let alone a play-off berth with who's left on the schedule. Whomever is throwing. I just don't see your reasoning for holding off on what I think is a logical move here.

Originally Posted by serphnx

Clemens at the least will make us exciting.

Mangini likes boxing, so I think the analogy is fitting here.

CP at his best is a point fighter. He doesn't have what it takes to knock anyone out, but when he is on his game he will frustrate the opponent and control with surgical efficiency. He'll get a whole lot of 10-9 rounds. If he brushes up against a superior opponent though, he will get hammered and look terrible, and start pressing.

Clemens however has KO power. No matter how bad a match is going, if he lands a clean shot he's right back in it, or he can outright win it. He can rush right into the fray and swarm, at the very least providing excitement to all the spectators. He'll get you some 10-8 rounds to make up for losing other rounds 10-9.

Now here's the thing. You can teach skills, but you can't teach power. You can't teach a quick release. You can't teach pocket awareness. These are just tools you are born with, that can be refined and worked on but can't develop if you don't already have them. When someone with physical skills develops the technical aspects, that's why you have something special. When someone has the technical aspects but not the physical parts, they become coaches, and these are frequently the guys that develop the skills in the more physically gifted guys.

Now I'm personally biased I suppose, since I'm a swarmer with KO power myself. But still, I think it's the more exciting style, and I think it is actually the best to win with. It's like throwing a football, a guy that has the power can flick it even in not the best circumstances without fully stepping in and making a play, just like in boxing where someone with great power doesn't need to get full rotation on his punches but can hit someone at a weird angle if the opportunity arises.

Congratulations to serphix on his first ever - to my recollection - POTW win! The winning post this week is perfect - there is nothing that this legume can add to make it better. The analogy fits the Jets situation, the head coach's mindset, and the description of the players in question is right on the money. So, serphie - congratuations and wear the POTW badge with pride this week:

http://www.jetnation.com/graphics/potw.jpg[/img]

The Assist of the Week goes to Panzer Division Marduk. PDM is has been very quietly and very consistently pounding away on the [link=http://www.jetnation.com/JetsWiki]JetsWiki[/link] since its inception. Both the amount and the quality of his additions are very, very impressive. I know that I personally appreciate Panzer's contributions and I bet y'all will, too if you go take a peek (http://www.jetnation.com/JetsWiki).

THANK YOU, Panzer for all of your efforts!

That's all I've got for this week, kiddies - the folks that pay me are trying to get every last penny out of me lately. So, y'all be cool - and enjoy, if that's possible this season - the games.

gb

[JetCane]

Congrats, Serph!

Great job again, GB. (If I dont mention a post or two you omitted will the Jetchicks here mind?) LOL!

(Editor's Note: ...and that, ladies and gentleman, puts a nice bow on wrap-up. Sorry about your 'canes, JC. )

LOL, if the team had as much passion as their fans do, they might be a little more competitive. Dont know if you saw this yet, but you might recognize parts of the Chapel Hill campus they walked through on the way into the stadium.

jIZAEwdBH9o

[GreenBeans]

Congrats, Serph!

Great job again, GB. (If I dont mention a post or two you omitted will the Jetchicks here mind?) LOL!

LOL, if the team had as much passion as their fans do, they might be a little more competitive. Dont know if you saw this yet, but you might recognize parts of the Chapel Hill campus they walked through on the way into the stadium.

jIZAEwdBH9o

All south campus - mostly dorms and some services buildings down that way. I was in one of them just this morning as a matter of fact.

[Jetheelz]

All south campus - mostly dorms and some services buildings down that way. I was in one of them just this morning as a matter of fact.

Walking up the hill on Manning avenue....over by the Dome going towards Keenan. I will be making that walk tomorrow night.

[GreenBeans]

Walking up the hill on Manning avenue....over by the Dome going towards Keenan. I will be making that walk tomorrow night.

Exactly. The walk took them right by Morrison Dorm and the new student services buildings where Chase Hall used to be.

[BP]

Congrats serphnx!

Great job Beans!

[serphnx]

Woohoo, I never thought I'd get one of these actually. I'm pretty sure it's my first time too.

[GreenBeans]

Woohoo, I never thought I'd get one of these actually. I'm pretty sure it's my first time too.

I'm glad you FINALLY noticed.

gb

[serphnx]

I'm glad you FINALLY noticed.

gb

BP sent a PM or I wouldn't have

[BP]

I'm glad you FINALLY noticed.

gb

Why do you think it's been pinned so long?

[GreenBeans]

BP sent a PM or I wouldn't have

Why do you think it's been pinned so long?

BP - service with a smil-ey. Enjoy the game, fellers!