lancemehl Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 In most of my post givings reasons why KC should start, I mention in most of them that every Scouting report I read of him, it said he had good mobility and pocket presecnce, had a quick, Marino/Farve-ish release, and threw a hard ball. Well I could swear I remembered that. The first thing I look at in a few months and it doesn't look like I remembered. LOL Maybe it's a coincidence: In his final season in Eugene, Clemens threw for 2,406 yards/19 touchdowns to just 4 picks, completing 64% of his passes despite missing the final four games of the season after breaking his leg. Clemens is a very solid dual threat quarterback. As a passer, he shows good accuracy when he sets up and delivers the ball downfield. He has become more accurate every year in college, and he has learned not to force so many balls into coverage. This year, he is showing off some more mobility and running ability than he has displayed in the past. With the new spread offense, his athleticism and ability to run are being utilized much more. Despite the mobility, he will stand in the pocket and throw a strike, even with a defender in his face. ( SO FAR SO GOOD ) While he has improved every year in college, he has had some problems showing consistency on the field. Clemens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed3 Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 What does one scout's opinion on a player have to do with anything? KC has improved remarkably from this year's TC and preseason, to Week 2 at Baltimore... What's to say that the mentality of being a starter wouldn't have a positive affect on his play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 What does one scout's opinion on a player have to do with anything? KC has improved remarkably from this year's TC and preseason, to Week 2 at Baltimore... What's to say that the mentality of being a starter wouldn't have a positive affect on his play? The problem is he is scouted to be physically the same as Chad Pennington, and mentally Chad is always going to be ahead of him. Clemens might be able to run some, but CP is taller so that balances out. You have to wonder what the point is of getting another weak armed QB, when that was the knock on Chad. Get a gunslinger if you don't think Chad is cutting it, not a freaking clone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Anybody who judges a player on scouting reports is foolish. Just watch the games. Kellen has a damn good arm, dont even try to compare it to Chads. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 The problem is he is scouted to be physically the same as Chad Pennington, and mentally Chad is always going to be ahead of him. Clemens might be able to run some, but CP is taller so that balances out. You have to wonder what the point is of getting another weak armed QB, when that was the knock on Chad. Get a gunslinger if you don't think Chad is cutting it, not a freaking clone. By who, Ray Charles? LOL. The 2 are about as similar as a gerbil and a zebra. No comparison at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 By who, Ray Charles? LOL. The 2 are about as similar as a gerbil and a zebra. No comparison at all. KC is most likely going to be crap. I only want him to start because I don't think Chad is the answer. KC just is not that impressive, sorry. More than likely we will get a top 5 pick and we can actually take a QB this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed3 Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 The problem is he is scouted to be physically the same as Chad Pennington, and mentally Chad is always going to be ahead of him. Clemens might be able to run some, but CP is taller so that balances out. You have to wonder what the point is of getting another weak armed QB, when that was the knock on Chad. Get a gunslinger if you don't think Chad is cutting it, not a freaking clone. Clemens is a gunslinger, whose "problem" is decision-making under pressure; Chad has always been the cerebral QB who connects on the short to intermediate passes. The two are not similar in their throwing styles at all. If anything, we can hope KC has the mentality of Pennington; but the arm of Farve. (Thats right, I spell his name right, he's the one who spells it incorrectly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebabyny Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Anybody who judges a player on scouting reports is foolish. Just watch the games. Kellen has a damn good arm, dont even try to compare it to Chads. LOL. How can you compare one qb who has had a career spanning a few years to a qb who started one game and had 3 quarters of mediocre at best performance by "watching the games." And do not speak of preseason, because that is just laughable because Clemens never got in there against a first team defense. Not saying KC is good or bad or deserving or not of starting, but for you to make judgements after "watching the games" is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 How can you compare one qb who has had a career spanning a few years to a qb who started one game and had 3 quarters of mediocre at best performance by "watching the games." And do not speak of preseason, because that is just laughable because Clemens never got in there against a first team defense. Not saying KC is good or bad or deserving or not of starting, but for you to make judgements after "watching the games" is laughable. I am talking about his physical skills, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Kellens Gonna be awesome...... ....with a different team!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Kellens Gonna be awesome...... ....with a different team!!!!!!! Whatever you say, Kerry. Mr. "I put a pic of Clemens in my Sig after last weeks loss" Dbag Cant take you seriously, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Whatever you say, Kerry. Mr. "I put a pic of Clemens in my Sig after last weeks loss" Dbag Cant take you seriously, sorry. Kerry??? I was pissed off after an emotional loss, not to mention drunk!!!! I havent been taking you seriously since I got here!!! BTW, my comment earlier was a joke. I hop Kellen is our QB of the furure as I personally think he looks really good. Im just saying knowing the Jets luck that he will probably end up somewhere else ripping it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickkotite Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 kellen clemens sucks i cant believe all the squandered qb opportunities this team has had in the past few years:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 KC is most likely going to be crap. I only want him to start because I don't think Chad is the answer. KC just is not that impressive, sorry. More than likely we will get a top 5 pick and we can actually take a QB this time. you remember when people were saying the same exact thing about CP before he took over in 02? I remember that they were saying that CP would never make it as a starter and that he sucked and the jets were better off with vinny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 you remember when people were saying the same exact thing about CP before he took over in 02? I remember that they were saying that CP would never make it as a starter and that he sucked and the jets were better off with vinny. It looks like people were right now obviously, doesn't it? Vinny still had a few years left in him but Hackett had that ****ty dink and dunk O. Vinny, rather than dink and dunk wanted to go downfield and get TDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miamipuck Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Give me a break. Most scouts said KC's arm is/was one notch below Jay Cutlers coming out of college, Jaworski included. This weak arm bull**** was because he was coming off an injury and still had trouble planting properly after his senior season. Anyone that watches him play and thinks "weak arm" is either blind or an idiot.................. most likely both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miamipuck Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 KC is most likely going to be crap. I only want him to start because I don't think Chad is the answer. KC just is not that impressive, sorry. More than likely we will get a top 5 pick and we can actually take a QB this time. You may post alot but wow when have you ever been right with an observation or prediction? Other than something negative? Somewhere between zero and never is my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 It looks like people were right now obviously, doesn't it? Vinny still had a few years left in him but Hackett had that ****ty dink and dunk O. Vinny, rather than dink and dunk wanted to go downfield and get TDs. Congrats Serphnx.... You've just lost 100% of the credibility you never had. Vinny was less mobile, not as smart, older, and even worse under pressure then Pennington... But he can throw it deep, so thats all that matters, right? Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 It looks like people were right now obviously, doesn't it? Vinny still had a few years left in him but Hackett had that ****ty dink and dunk O. Vinny, rather than dink and dunk wanted to go downfield and get TDs. Your kidding right??? Throwing deep isnt as important as you make out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Your kidding right??? Throwing deep isnt as important as you make out. Vinny was a very good QB. I don't understand why Jets fans want to slam him now. He's my favorite Jet QB that I've watched, and second only to Namath in Jets history to me. Vinny airing the ball out is what let us come back from deficits and helped us run the ball. How can you blame Vinny for Herm and Hackett's ****ty offenses? But when we're talking about Chad, suddenly they should take the blame? I don't root for the player above the team, so I hold people to the same standards. Vinny took us to the AFC Championship game and was just one half away from a Super Bowl appearance, and the man bleeds green. I'll always love the guy. lol I feel like an internet celebrity for the posts above yours Irish. I just find them funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Vinny was a very good QB. I don't understand why Jets fans want to slam him now. He's my favorite Jet QB that I've watched, and second only to Namath in Jets history to me. Vinny airing the ball out is what let us come back from deficits and helped us run the ball. How can you blame Vinny for Herm and Hackett's ****ty offenses? But when we're talking about Chad, suddenly they should take the blame? I don't root for the player above the team, so I hold people to the same standards. Vinny took us to the AFC Championship game and was just one half away from a Super Bowl appearance, and the man bleeds green. I'll always love the guy. lol I feel like an internet celebrity for the posts above yours Irish. I just find them funny. How was vinny a very good QB? Yes, he had one great year in 1998 but after that he completely fell apart. In 02, when Chad took over, the only thing Vinny had going for him was his strong arm. Other then that, he was less mobile, not as smart, older, and made more mistakes under pressure then Pennington. Yes, sometimes Vinny's arm got us back from deficits, but other times his decision making and lack of mobility got us in deficets. Also, while Herm was over-conservative, every pass play cant be a 30-50 yard bomb, you need to have a short-intermediate range passing game as well. By 2002 Vinny was too inconsistent in that area and thats what did him in. BTW, I found your original post about Vinny funny as well, which is why I said what I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 In most of my post givings reasons why KC should start, I mention in most of them that every Scouting report I read of him, it said he had good mobility and pocket presecnce, had a quick, Marino/Farve-ish release, and threw a hard ball. Well I could swear I remembered that. The first thing I look at in a few months and it doesn't look like I remembered. LOL Maybe it's a coincidence: In his final season in Eugene, Clemens threw for 2,406 yards/19 touchdowns to just 4 picks, completing 64% of his passes despite missing the final four games of the season after breaking his leg. Clemens is a very solid dual threat quarterback. As a passer, he shows good accuracy when he sets up and delivers the ball downfield. He has become more accurate every year in college, and he has learned not to force so many balls into coverage. This year, he is showing off some more mobility and running ability than he has displayed in the past. With the new spread offense, his athleticism and ability to run are being utilized much more. Despite the mobility, he will stand in the pocket and throw a strike, even with a defender in his face. ( SO FAR SO GOOD ) While he has improved every year in college, he has had some problems showing consistency on the field. Clemens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted October 14, 2007 Author Share Posted October 14, 2007 The problem is he is scouted to be physically the same as Chad Pennington, and mentally Chad is always going to be ahead of him. Clemens might be able to run some, but CP is taller so that balances out. You have to wonder what the point is of getting another weak armed QB, when that was the knock on Chad. Get a gunslinger if you don't think Chad is cutting it, not a freaking clone. Every single report I've (since that one) says the exact opposite, they all said Clemens was a gunslinger with a quick release and throws a rope. His problem was being short and making mental errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 Every single report I've (since that one) says the exact opposite, they all said Clemens was a gunslinger with a quick release and throws a rope. His problem was being short and making mental errors. IMO, the term gunslinger = making mental errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 14, 2007 Share Posted October 14, 2007 IMO, the term gunslinger = making mental errors. Yeah, well live by the sword & die by the sword. Beats dying of boredom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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