Bob Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 The Yankees have had the most talented team in baseball every year since 2001, and Torre has not brought them a championship. As someone that hates the Yankees, I am sad to see him go. Now, they might win another one. With Mattingly? Are you serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidhuman Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 I think LaRussa is going to get the job. Mattingly and Giradi are SOL IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 With Mattingly? Are you serious? Why not? It's not like he has to part the Red Sea. George is going to give him the best team in baseball to work with. All he has to do is not **** it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetCane Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 Kudos to Joe Torre. It was an offer he could refuse, and the Yanks knew it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsTaborJet Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 This offer was no insult. He had failed in his organization's mission since 2001, and failed in some remarkably abd circumstances. To quote one of my favorite philosphers(if not favorite presidents), William Jefferson Clinton, when ever they say it's not about the money, it's about the money. He still would've been the highest paid manager by almsot double (Piniella at $3.5 million) anyone else, and if he met the incentives(whcih with the Yanks' resources is doable) 2009 vests at $ 8 million. Vaya con Dios, Joseph. And good luck getting big bucks endorsements managing the Marlins or the Royals. The responsibility to be a winning team is on the backs of all the players and managers. To say Joe alone is personally responsible for the mission of this franchise is ridiculous to put on one mans shoulders. Everyone is focusing on how much all other managers make. Steinbrenner created this problem of him being the highest paid manager by PAYING IT. He didn't have to pay that much. I don't think Torre's decision is about the money. But who would go to their job tomorrow morning and take a pay cut and say "OK, I'll work my ass off for you for a limited time for less money and be grateful for the opportunity to serve you ... Thanks for the support in my abilities!" Not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 If Arod, Pettitte, Posada and Mo follow, Fat Stein and Donnie Jinxball can enjoy a third-place finish. The Tampa "braintrust" has been the problem all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 It's not the money, it's the length of term. You don't pull the rug out from your leader, then entice him back, and make that enticement a one year deal. You don't do that and expect him to take the deal. This was calculated, and the results were known to the yankees before they made an announcements. Exactly correct. This is a franchise that has spent millions of dollars on turds like Pavano, Igawa, Brown, and now they are going offer their manager who has taken this team to the playoffs count'em 12 times, mangaed in 6 World Series and won 4 of them and offer him a one year deal with incentives. What if the Yanks got off to another horrible start ? They fire him and only have to give him the 5 mill. Francesa made a great point today when he said we haven't heard the whole story yet. So far we have only heard the Yankees side of things. There is no doubt that this is nothing more than a PR ploy to save face and I can tell you right now if will not work. If the Yanks offered Joe a 2 or 3 year deal then they could probably gotten away with it. One year ? They didn't want him back. They are trying to save face. We know it They know it and most importantly the players know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 Exactly correct. This is a franchise that has spent millions of dollars on turds like Pavano, Igawa, Brown, and now they are going offer their manager who has taken this team to the playoffs count'em 12 times, mangaed in 6 World Series and won 4 of them and offer him a one year deal with incentives. What if the Yanks got off to another horrible start ? They fire him and only have to give him the 5 mill. Francesa made a great point today when he said we haven't heard the whole story yet. So far we have only heard the Yankees side of things. There is no doubt that this is nothing more than a PR ploy to save face and I can tell you right now if will not work. If the Yanks offered Joe a 2 or 3 year deal then they could probably gotten away with it. One year ? They didn't want him back. They are trying to save face. We know it They know it and most importantly the players know it. That's a great post. I have a lot of respect for Torre and it was good to see him go out on his own terms. It's going to be a crazy winter for the Yankees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 Joe Torre is a class guy and a good person-I am glad he said to the Yanks to forget it. We need more people like him in sports world. Also agree the Yanks set up the offer so he would refuse it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 That's a great post. I have a lot of respect for Torre and it was good to see him go out on his own terms. It's going to be a crazy winter for the Yankees. Yep. Mattingly would probably manage with an attitude similar to Torre's, but without the gravitas. Can you imagine Jeter or Posada taking **** from Joe Girardi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 Yep. Mattingly would probably manage with an attitude similar to Torre's, but without the gravitas. Can you imagine Jeter or Posada taking **** from Joe Girardi? You can add Rivera to that list as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 You can add Rivera to that list as well. I firmly believe that Mariano Rivera will be pitching somewhere else next year. Andy Pettitte, too. This would be a good day for Sox fans, if not for your impending ejection from the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 I firmly believe that Mariano Rivera will be pitching somewhere else next year. Andy Pettitte, too. This would be a good day for Sox fans, if not for your impending ejection from the playoffs. losing Mo would be devistating unless Joba and Hughes make us forget about all of our pitching woes i say we offer Mo WELL above market value, he's the STAPLE of our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 the yankees offered him a very fair deal, although insulting that it was one year still, 5 million is WAY above market value, and they added a million per round in the playoffs cant say they didnt try to rehire him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 This would be a good day for Sox fans, if not for your impending ejection from the playoffs. I have mixed feelings on this. As much as I like to see the Yankees with no manager and a bunch of loyal veterans pissed off. I want the Yankees to be as good as they can be so that we can have another summer of the Red Sox and Yankees fighting it out for the AL East. I'm going to come off as douchebag when I say this but it really doesn't bother me that the Sox are on the verge of elimination as the Pats are on fire and the Celtics are relevant again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 another slow start next season and big stein can bring torre back mid-year a la billy martin. Torre won't be available.....I am sure he already knows where he can sign if he so chooses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 the yankees offered him a very fair deal, although insulting that it was one year still, 5 million is WAY above market value, and they added a million per round in the playoffs cant say they didnt try to rehire him When you report for your job at McDonald's tomorrow, I hope they offer you a 33 percent pay cut. You can't say they didn't offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Torre won't be available.....I am sure he already knows where he can sign if he so chooses. I'd be very surpsied if he manages this season. No one will pay him what the Yankees just offered him. Not a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 When you report for your job at McDonald's tomorrow, I hope they offer you a 33 percent pay cut. You can't say they didn't offer. 1-bob, i'm a customer service rep, which is a ****ty job but not anywhere near as bad as working under the greasy golden arches 2-5 million dollars a year, wouldn't that make him the highest paid coach in baseball, AGAIN? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 I'd be very surpsied if he manages this season. No one will pay him what the Yankees just offered him. Not a chance. In years they certainly will top that lame offer......that offer was nothing more then PR. Get off to a slow start you're gone Joe.....don't make the WS....You're gone Joe. He'll have a multi year contract at very good money by Thanksgiving. Joe doesn't need the money and he wasn't about to be played like the Yanks attempted to do today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 What's really amazing is that the Tampax "braintrust" thinks they're fooling anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsTaborJet Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 the yankees offered him a very fair deal, although insulting that it was one year still, 5 million is WAY above market value, and they added a million per round in the playoffs cant say they didnt try to rehire him Their TRY was bull**** and they know it. They knew Torre would turn it down and the Yanks saved face. We see through you Stein-friggin-brenner. When you report for your job at McDonald's tomorrow, I hope they offer you a 33 percent pay cut. You can't say they didn't offer. Exactly. This is like a 35% pay cut. Who will go for that AND put up with the lack of trust that they portrayed with this deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsTaborJet Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Torre won't be available.....I am sure he already knows where he can sign if he so chooses. Agreed. He's strategic, not stupid. He's not ready to retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 If Dennis Byrd was a whiny bitch like you, he'd still be in a hospital bed. Does he or Spartan ever talk positively on any sport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 umm guys 1-torre hasn't taken us past the first round since the same year boston won 2-no manager can manage forever 3-if he took the yankees to the WS he would earn that paycut back. wasn't he making 5 million last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsTaborJet Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 I'd be very surpsied if he manages this season. No one will pay him what the Yankees just offered him. Not a chance. It's just not about the money. Surely no one can offer $5M and bonuses. He will take his talent and offer it for less and show Steinbrenner where to stick it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasonJet Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 This is for the better as the Yankees are clearly in need of a change. Joe's done a great job but his time has clearly come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 the yankees offered him a very fair deal, although insulting that it was one year still, 5 million is WAY above market value, and they added a million per round in the playoffs cant say they didnt try to rehire him Rubbish. Wake up. The Yanks used 15 different starters or some insane number early in the year due to the pathetic signings that the Tampa mafia forced on Torre.....still they made the play-offs and lost because the hitters AGAIN disappeared. It's not like the Indians are getting blasted by the same team that won the AL East either. The guys who need to own up to the past few post season dismissals are the Captain, Giambi, Sheff, Posada, Matsui etc. What can you do when you send your 19 game winner out and he cant get through 5 innings in 2 starts? If they came clean and said we want to make a change that's one thing....today was garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Rubbish. Wake up. The Yanks used 15 different starters or some insane number early in the year due to the pathetic signings that the Tampa mafia forced on Torre.....still they made the play-offs and lost because the hitters AGAIN disappeared. It's not like the Indians are getting blasted by the same team that won the AL East either. The guys who need to own up to the past few post season dismissals are the Captain, Giambi, Sheff, Posada, Matsui etc. What can you do when you send your 19 game winner out and he cant get through 5 innings in 2 starts? If they came clean and said we want to make a change that's one thing....today was garbage. when you don't have your team prepared to win, they won't win. i say bring in Girardi, he's a 1996 NYY champ remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 when you don't have your team prepared to win, they won't win. i say bring in Girardi, he's a 1996 NYY champ remember. Yeah how many young arms did he ruin in Florida last season? If you can't handle Florida's GM as Girardi couldn't, you won't handle George. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uart Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Kay is talking about Joe's options. Possibly St Louis. He said can you imagine if Francona was fired? Ugh -- Joe can't manage in Boston. Just can't happen. He won 4 times here. He goes out when he says he goes out. Fix this. 4 times in 12 years. (0.333 -- avg) Joe McCarthy won the WS 7 Times in 15 years. (0.467) Casey Stengel won it 7 times in 12 years. (0.583) 4 times is good enough for 3rd place, and consists of just 15.4% of our total World Series championships. Giving him a lifetime deal over 4 WS wins that happened with very different players about a decade ago, isn't in ANY way required by what he has done here. He was a very good manager, but the last few years his teams have lost their mojo when it counted the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Yeah how many young arms did he ruin in Florida last season? If you can't handle Florida's GM as Girardi couldn't, you won't handle George. was he in florida last year? dontrelle and co. struggled without him at the helm. with him thy won 79 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Girardi would be an unmitigated disaster. He'd destroy all these young pitchers, the same way he ruined the staff in Florida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 bob, you really think girardi can be blamed for their team sucking in a year he didnt manage? its not like he chopped their arms off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uart Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Girardi would be an unmitigated disaster. He'd destroy all these young pitchers, the same way he ruined the staff in Florida. I think you are the only person I've seen making that claim... what do you base it on? What did Girardi do to destroy pitchers that Joe Torre didn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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