Matt39 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 We keep hearing how "random" the playoffs are. Hear it about the outgoing manager especially. Well, somebody down in Tampa asked this question to Joe Torre the other day, and it was a pretty good one if you ask me: How come we never heard about how random things were in the playoffs until the Yankees stopped winning them? The Red Sox are in the same random, crapshoot playoffs and have now gotten off the deck and come back from 3-0 down and 3-1 down in the last four years, and which of A-Rod's Yankee teams do you think were capable of that? The Red Sox were able to do this because their biggest stars - David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez - stepped up to the plate in all ways. And right in the crazy happy scene at Fenway Park when the Red Sox won a pennant Yankee fans still think should have belonged to them was a kid who looked like a bat boy. His name is Dustin Pedroia and he plays second base for the Red Sox. In two innings of Game 7 and two at-bats against the Indians, he knocked in more postseason runs for his team than Alex Rodriguez has in three years for the Yankees. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Mike Lupica has always been a Yankee-hater. He couldn't find his ass with both hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 I have said many times here that the playoffs are usually not about a "randomness". The best TEAM usually wins. Not the team with the best players. A baseball TEAM is one that meshes well within its roles and fits together. There is an order to things. That defines a team. Haphazardly putting together OPS, VORP and OBP with WHIP and other stats is for the geeks. And they are always quick to tell you after the team with the best "geek stats' fails, that the playoffs are a "crapshoot". Just look at the Yankkes with recent successes (WS wins) and failures (WS losses). It is obvious what differentiates those teams. And it is not "randomness". It does not work all of the time, but the majority of the time the best TEAM wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 24, 2007 Author Share Posted October 24, 2007 I have said many times here that the playoffs are usually not about a "randomness". The best TEAM usually wins. Not the team with the best players. A baseball TEAM is one that meshes well within its roles and fits together. There is an order to things. That defines a team. Haphazardly putting together OPS, VORP and OBP with WHIP and other stats is for the geeks. And they are always quick to tell you after the team with the best "geek stats' fails, that the playoffs are a "crapshoot". Just look at the Yankkes with recent successes (WS wins) and failures (WS losses). It is obvious what differentiates those teams. And it is not "randomness". It does not work all of the time, but the majority of the time the best TEAM wins. On point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 His name is Dustin Pedroia and he plays second base for the Red Sox. In two innings of Game 7 and two at-bats against the Indians, he knocked in more postseason runs for his team than Alex Rodriguez has in three years for the Yankees. And he and his agent have the nerve to ask for $30 million a year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 if the best team won then the Tigers would've won last year. its all about clicking at the right time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Mike Lupica has always been a Yankee-hater. He couldn't find his ass with both hands. And at the same time Lupica is bashing the Yanks left and right about firing Torre. Would be nice if this POS evil gnome could make up his sissy mind. Either way, did he go to any games this year? When Keith Hernandez and George Steinbrenner both think your a complete a-hole, is there any doubt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 lupica is a douchebag, I stopped readin the daily news because of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anskyruben Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 And he and his agent have the nerve to ask for $30 million a year? Your team would gladly give it to him. Look at how much they gave an average japanese pitcher. That being said, Mike Lupica can eat a fat kawk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Your team would gladly give it to him. Look at how much they gave an average japanese pitcher. That being said, Mike Lupica can eat a fat kawk. They gave that Japanese pitcher $9 million a year. The more I think about it, I'd rather keep Lowell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Your team would gladly give it to him. Look at how much they gave an average japanese pitcher. That being said, Mike Lupica can eat a fat kawk. Are you talking about Kei Igawa and his 5 year, $20 million contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Lupica is a douche He hammers Torre year in year out Now he's defending him How about we fire Lupica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Lupica is a douche He hammers Torre year in year out Now he's defending him How about we fire Lupica What did Lupica say that wasn't true in the quote that was posted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 And at the same time Lupica is bashing the Yanks left and right about firing Torre. Would be nice if this POS evil gnome could make up his sissy mind. Either way, did he go to any games this year? When Keith Hernandez and George Steinbrenner both think your a complete a-hole, is there any doubt? Fire Torre?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anskyruben Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Are you talking about Kei Igawa and his 5 year, $20 million contract? 20 million is a drop in the bucket when you give an average pitcher 50 million just to share a meal with him. I wonder if that includes the interpreter, or is that extra ? Not to mention the actual contract you handed him. Clemens in 07 and Igawa, and even Irabu don't add up to that disaster . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 if the best team won then the Tigers would've won last year. its all about clicking at the right time. Absolutely correct. Look at the Rockies. They got hot when it counted and parleyed that into the playoffs then a WS berth. That being said it's usually your big hitters who come up big at crunch time and lead the team by example. Something ARod knows nothing about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 20 million is a drop in the bucket when you give an average pitcher 50 million just to share a meal with him. I wonder if that includes the interpreter, or is that extra ? Not to mention the actual contract you handed him. Clemens in 07 and Igawa, and even Irabu don't add up to that disaster . Remember last year, when everyone was laughing that the Sox gave up the Rookie of the Year at SS for an 'average pitcher'? How did that work out? Let's give Dice-K another season before disparaging him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Let's give Dice-K another season before disparaging him. Let's not and say that we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I have said many times here that the playoffs are usually not about a "randomness". The best TEAM usually wins. Not the team with the best players. A baseball TEAM is one that meshes well within its roles and fits together. There is an order to things. That defines a team. Haphazardly putting together OPS, VORP and OBP with WHIP and other stats is for the geeks. And they are always quick to tell you after the team with the best "geek stats' fails, that the playoffs are a "crapshoot". Just look at the Yankkes with recent successes (WS wins) and failures (WS losses). It is obvious what differentiates those teams. And it is not "randomness". It does not work all of the time, but the majority of the time the best TEAM wins. POTW nominee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 In two innings of Game 7 and two at-bats against the Indians, he knocked in more postseason runs for his team than Alex Rodriguez has in three years for the Yankees. but pay rod still needs more money? that dude will never win a series, but he sure is good at making the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 but pay rod still needs more money? that dude will never win a series, but he sure is good at making the playoffs. Carry this drivel to it's logical conclusion. Yeah, let's see any GM trade A-rod for Pedroia. David Eckstein too. Or Eric Byrnes. Yes, who ever the hard-nosed, throwback white guy is today is better by miles than Alex Rodriguez. A team full of hard-nosed throwback little white guys would beat a team of A-rods, right? Is there a carbon monoxide leak in Lupica's Connecticut mansion(Lupica hasn't darkened a stadium or arena doorway spare the US Open in years) or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 25, 2007 Author Share Posted October 25, 2007 The Yankees this year made Jeff Francis look like Cy Young reincarnated. Ortiz and Manny are just players that Arod will never be, hitting wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 The Yankees this year made Jeff Francis look like Cy Young reincarnated. Ortiz and Manny are just players that Arod will never be, hitting wise. Francis also dominated Boston during the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 25, 2007 Author Share Posted October 25, 2007 Francis also dominated Boston during the season. Yeah but the Red Sox know how to hit in the playoffs. The Yankees dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Yeah but the Red Sox know how to hit in the playoffs. The Yankees dont. There is no way to quantify that or build a team around it. Boston didn't hit in the 05 playoffs did they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 There is no way to quantify that Which greatly baffles Mike, when the geeks don't have a way to quantify for Mike to look at something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 20 million is a drop in the bucket when you give an average pitcher 50 million just to share a meal with him. I wonder if that includes the interpreter, or is that extra ? Not to mention the actual contract you handed him. Clemens in 07 and Igawa, and even Irabu don't add up to that disaster . You're kidding right? Dice is pitching at least and is 26. Pavano and Igawa weren't even mediocre for the Yanks. You saw what you got from Roger right? You wanna justify that contract and tell me he fired up the clubhouse ....than explain what the Captain is there for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Which greatly baffles Mike, when the geeks don't have a way to quantify for Mike to look at something. His claim is that Justin Pedroia is superior ballplayer to Alex Rodriguez. Which over 1 game, one at bat, or even one series might hold true. But as an objective statement, it is preposterously stupid. It's like taking Sean Avery over Sid Crosby, David Lee over Lebron James, Wayne Chrebet over Randy Moss, David Eckstein over Derek Jeter. For a game, or even 2 or 3, the lesser player, the proverbial gritty underdog, might outplay the superstar. But it's not going to hold over the long run,not even close. And for someone to write something so absurd and present it like gospel fact is an embarrassing joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 His claim is that Justin Pedroia is superior ballplayer to Alex Rodriguez. Which over 1 game, one at bat, or even one series might hold true. But as an objective statement, it is preposterously stupid. It's like taking Sean Avery over Sid Crosby, David Lee over Lebron James, Wayne Chrebet over Randy Moss, David Eckstein over Derek Jeter. For a game, or even 2 or 3, the lesser player, the proverbial gritty underdog, might outplay the superstar. But it's not going to hold over the long run,not even close. And for someone to write something so absurd and present it like gospel fact is an embarrassing joke. good post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 25, 2007 Author Share Posted October 25, 2007 His claim is that Justin Pedroia is superior ballplayer to Alex Rodriguez. Which over 1 game, one at bat, or even one series might hold true. But as an objective statement, it is preposterously stupid. It's like taking Sean Avery over Sid Crosby, David Lee over Lebron James, Wayne Chrebet over Randy Moss, David Eckstein over Derek Jeter. For a game, or even 2 or 3, the lesser player, the proverbial gritty underdog, might outplay the superstar. But it's not going to hold over the long run,not even close. And for someone to write something so absurd and present it like gospel fact is an embarrassing joke. Lupica never claimed Pedroia was a better player than Arod. He just used him as an example to show how poor Arod has been in the postseason. The guy has been an absolute dog for the Yanks come October. This sint just an example of a small sample size, its a reoccuring theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 His claim is that Justin Pedroia is superior ballplayer to Alex Rodriguez. Which over 1 game, one at bat, or even one series might hold true. But as an objective statement, it is preposterously stupid. It's like taking Sean Avery over Sid Crosby, David Lee over Lebron James, Wayne Chrebet over Randy Moss, David Eckstein over Derek Jeter. For a game, or even 2 or 3, the lesser player, the proverbial gritty underdog, might outplay the superstar. But it's not going to hold over the long run,not even close. And for someone to write something so absurd and present it like gospel fact is an embarrassing joke. I didn't take that out of it at all. I don't think that he was trying to be literal. Lupica deals in a world of hyperbole. He is the king of it. Listen, A-Rod is in a tough spot, and it is one that he has earned himself. The top paid athlete of any sport, or the newest, highest contract will alwayd bear the most scrutiny. That scrutiny usually comes in the form of "What did all this money buy the team"? It is a logical and fair question. With A-Rod now in a position to "cash-in" again, that scrutiny will come under an even bigger microscope. When you are the highest paid player, the resulting expectations are championships. Whether that is fair or not, the expectatations are there. When the highest paid player in the sport goes to the New York Yankees-Well those expectations go through the roof. You can't hold them back. It is just the way the sporting world works, and writers will seize upon that every opportunity they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I repeat: LET AROD GO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I repeat: LET AROD GO Yeah start Betemit....start Kellen!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 25, 2007 Author Share Posted October 25, 2007 Yeah start Betemit....start Kellen!!! This notion that the Yankees will collapse without Arod is ridiculous. Arod isnt the Yankees. If Arod wants to come back, I'll be happy to embrace him. If he doesnt then it wouldnt bother me either. Arod is defintely annoyed that the Yankees and the Yankee fans arent begging him to come back. There wont be any Arod rallies in Time Square for him, thats for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 This notion that the Yankees will collapse without Arod is ridiculous. Arod isnt the Yankees. If Arod wants to come back, I'll be happy to embrace him. If he doesnt then it wouldnt bother me either. Arod is defintely annoyed that the Yankees and the Yankee fans arent begging him to come back. There wont be any Arod rallies in Time Square for him, thats for sure. Listen for the final time.......ARod>Jeter and it's not even open for debate. Yank fans, like many Jets fans always need a goat. Go look up Willie Mays post season stats.... Yanks don't sniff the play-offs without ARod this year. Yanks like Pats fans are spoiled by a run that has been over for a while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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