Greenbaumenom Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 The New York Daily News reports ILB Jonathan Vilma may be in danger of missing the rest of the season due to a "significant" knee injury. In an odd situation between Vilma and Eric Mangini, the coach has said his star inside linebacker is hurt, while Vilma himself denies he's injured at all. Vilma only rotated in during the second half of New York's Week 7 loss. He may have been playing through a torn or partially torn ligament in the knee. David Harris will join the starting linuep while Vilma is out. Oct. 24 - 6:53 pm et Source: New York Daily News Just when we thought it couldnt get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 when it rains it pours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyjet69 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 when it rains it pours Well it's time to see what Harris has, the D can't get any worse can it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenbaumenom Posted October 25, 2007 Author Share Posted October 25, 2007 Well, now we will see what happens with a 3-4 MLB in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damaged89 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Watch our run defense magically get better. On a negative note his trade value just dropped a looong way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 This is funny. First it was a sprain and then as soon as Vilma questioned Mangini it turned into a season ending knee ligament tear. Same basic thing happened to Baker, his back suddenly became serious. I still think Justin Miller has no injury. I don't understand why Chadwick has no injury, it sure looks like his arm is injured to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetCane Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 When i listened to Vilma's interview yestersday, what i got out of it (from reading between the lines of what he said) was that when he was taken out of the game it was a coaching decision, and he hadnt been injured "at that time." He may have gotten injured later in the game (if he really is injured, because it's hard to know what to believe that comes out of jets HQ anymore). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 The only reason this is bad for the Jets is that it will probably hurt his trade value. At least now we know what it will take for Mangini to bench underachieving, big name players: season ending injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjam76 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 This is just weird. He denies being injured, sort of makes Mangini look like a liar, and then a couple days later he could be "Out for the Year" even though there are no real reports that says he's injured. I don't know what the truth is here. Maybe he is injured ,but why does it feel like something is missing in this story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Wow, I was suprised but suprisingly not really annoyed. We'll discover alot about Harris, as for Vilma. IMO the only way this hurts the Jets is his trade value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 The only reason this is bad for the Jets is that it will probably hurt his trade value. At least now we know what it will take for Mangini to bench underachieving, big name players: season ending injuries. Awful, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Awful, isn't it? This feels like Herm all over again, except Mangini never says anything funny. And he hates sick children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 This feels like Herm all over again, except Mangini never says anything funny. And he hates sick children. LOL!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenbaumenom Posted October 25, 2007 Author Share Posted October 25, 2007 I still don't understand why we are running a 3-4, he is our best defensive player, why change to 3-4? Everyone was better in the 4-3, and we were starting to look like a defense. Blah, what could we get for him, a 2nd rounder? Why not move him to OLB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeJetsWord Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Wow. Welcome to the wild world of the Jets. Nothing surprises me anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I still don't understand why we are running a 3-4, he is our best defensive player, why change to 3-4? Everyone was better in the 4-3, and we were starting to look like a defense. Blah, what could we get for him, a 2nd rounder? Why not move him to OLB. Oh please stop with this 4-3 crap. When we had a 4-3 we had John friggin Abraham!!! Of course our D then is going to look better than now. In 2004, the last time we had a good D,we had J-Ferguson. He made Vilma look a helluva lot better than he really is. We do play a lot of different schemes including the 4-3 and I can assure you we look no better than with a 3-4. As for the OLB suggestion, dont make me laugh. More like a safety!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Oh please stop with this 4-3 crap. When we had a 4-3 we had John friggin Abraham!!! Of course our D then is going to look better than now. In 2004, the last time we had a good D,we had J-Ferguson. He made Vilma look a helluva lot better than he really is. We do play a lot of different schemes including the 4-3 and I can assure you we look no better than with a 3-4. As for the OLB suggestion, dont make me laugh. More like a safety!!! Couldn't you just see him trying to do something this Sunday with Jason Peters - all 340 lbs of him - running straight at him on a sweep, before flicking him out of bounds with his pinkie finger? lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Oh please stop with this 4-3 crap. When we had a 4-3 we had John friggin Abraham!!! Of course our D then is going to look better than now. In 2004, the last time we had a good D,we had J-Ferguson. He made Vilma look a helluva lot better than he really is. We do play a lot of different schemes including the 4-3 and I can assure you we look no better than with a 3-4. As for the OLB suggestion, dont make me laugh. More like a safety!!! Lies, pure lies. JAbe never played for us, he only occasionally made cameo appearances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damaged89 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I still don't understand why we are running a 3-4, he is our best defensive player, why change to 3-4? Everyone was better in the 4-3, and we were starting to look like a defense. Blah, what could we get for him, a 2nd rounder? Why not move him to OLB? Vilma is 6'1 and weighs 220. . A prototypical 3-4 OLB is 6-5 and in the 245-270 range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetCane Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Wasnt Vilma out and Harris in during the second half when the bengals had three 70+ yard drives for TDs? He came out and our run defense was still terrible...it's the weak DL, the scheme and defensive playcalling. Thank you mangini/sutton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Vilma is 6'1 and weighs 220. . A prototypical 3-4 OLB is 6-5 and in the 245-270 range. A prototypical NT is typically 320-350 lbs yet we got DRob, so we might as well see what Vilma can do on the outside. At this point playing him in the middle doesn't work. Vilma might be fast enough to get to the QB and give us a pass rush on the outside, it couldn't hurt. Well actually now it doesn't matter since he's done for the season. I still think Mangini is lying though. He is dastardly I tells ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSFAN5180 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 HOW could any of you call yourself Jets fans? Wanting to trade our best defensive player and best draft pick in a long time. This season ranks among the worst. Jonathan Vilma deserves a better team and a better coach anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Lies, pure lies. JAbe never played for us, he only occasionally made cameo appearances. true dat!!!! Pretty much all of them were highlight reel type Cameos though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Couldn't you just see him trying to do something this Sunday with Jason Peters - all 340 lbs of him - running straight at him on a sweep, before flicking him out of bounds with his pinkie finger? lol. I've seen a lot of pathetic things happen Vilma, Im not even suprised anymore.The guys just too small!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSFAN5180 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 So is D-Rob and the entire OFFENSIVE and DEFENSIVE line. Vilma has always given 110% and this is the thanks he gets.Amateur wannabes mocking his size and his ability to play the game. LOSING BRINGS OUT THE WORST IN EVERYONE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damaged89 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 HOW could any of you call yourself Jets fans? Wanting to trade our best defensive player and best draft pick in a long time. This season ranks among the worst. Jonathan Vilma deserves a better team and a better coach anyway! If he's our best defensive player we're in trouble. He literally gets thrown around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSFAN5180 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 In the 3-4 yes without a NT or a line in front of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetCane Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 So is D-Rob and the entire OFFENSIVE and DEFENSIVE line. Vilma has always given 110% and this is the thanks he gets.Amateur wannabes mocking his size and his ability to play the game. LOSING BRINGS OUT THE WORST IN EVERYONE! I've noticed that, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 So is D-Rob and the entire OFFENSIVE and DEFENSIVE line. Vilma has always given 110% and this is the thanks he gets.Amateur wannabes mocking his size and his ability to play the game. LOSING BRINGS OUT THE WORST IN EVERYONE! Hey, I'm sure David Barrett is giving 110%. He still blows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 So is D-Rob and the entire OFFENSIVE and DEFENSIVE line. Vilma has always given 110% and this is the thanks he gets.Amateur wannabes mocking his size and his ability to play the game. LOSING BRINGS OUT THE WORST IN EVERYONE! If Vilma does play again for the jets and your watching the game. Just focus on him, watch what happens when he get blocked. The result, he is out of the play. The guy is not physically able to play on this D. I am ****ing sick to death of all these crappy undersized LB'ers and lineman and then you look at the NE Patriots, who are F'ING HUGE up front. Yet we wonder why they dominate us in every way. Were like the little nerds in school who get bullied around every day. Thats what werelike in there WE GET F'ING BULLIED, its a f'ing joke, its beyond a joke. I am sick of this crappy defence and am sick of these crap players. We need to re-build NOW!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 I still don't understand why we are running a 3-4, he is our best defensive player, why change to 3-4? Everyone was better in the 4-3, and we were starting to look like a defense. Blah, what could we get for him, a 2nd rounder? Why not move him to OLB? Don Lagreca and Buttle on the postgame noted they ran almost 50/50 split between 3 and 4 man fronts.Watching the last 2 games seems to verify that. Problem isn't the scheme as much as players not doing the job. What trade value did Vilma have, exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GandWFan Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Hey, I'm sure David Barrett is giving 110%. He still blows. spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman88 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Vilma sucks so this is good news. We will finally get to see David Harris play and maybe have an ILB who doesn't get shoved and dragged around like a bitch by small RBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 if its true about vilma it sucks. not because of trade value. because he is a talented player and it sucks when they get injured. I may be critical of him and the defense, but I would never wish injury on one of our own. He tries hard each and every game. I hope it isnt serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSFAN5180 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Vilma only sucks because we are losing and hes hurt. Defensive Rookie of the Year as a New York Jet so how bad does he suck? Vilma would be a monster in 4-3 with a line in front of him and not a pathetic excuse for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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