afosomf Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 Funny. reminded of Hammers post " i think the janks were playing Possum by signing Igawa" ya think Theo made right decision now? with that said, F the Sux F the pats F the whole cesspool of a city called Bastun. F the accent too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 They are both gonna end up being bad signings with Igawa being much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 They are both gonna end up being bad signings with Igawa being much worse. One of them just won game 3 of the World Series. Awful signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 One of them just won game 3 of the World Series. Awful signing. You forgot he also hit for 2 rbi The last Red Sox pitcher to do so? Babe Ruth.... just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 One of them just won game 3 of the World Series. Awful signing. He pitched 5 mediocre innings and got lucky that Josh Fogg was pitching against him. He was mediocre all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidhuman Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 You forgot he also hit for 2 rbi The last Red Sox pitcher to do so? Babe Ruth.... just sayin' So, you are saying he will be sold to the Yankees so Theo can fund a remake of Na-Na Nanette and then become the 2nd best Yankee player ever and the Red Sox will not win another series for 84 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 So, you are saying he will be sold to the Yankees so Theo can fund a remake of Na-Na Nanette and then become the 2nd best Yankee player ever and the Red Sox will not win another series for 84 years? So you're saying the Yankees will want to BUY the contract(and, mind you, the "talking rights") to Dice-K? But no...Theo wouldnt let Dice-K go...it's obvious he is the Japanese Babe Ruth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 He pitched 5 mediocre innings and got lucky that Josh Fogg was pitching against him. He was mediocre all year. I thought 1 year was too small of a sample size, especially for a Japanese-born pitcher coming over to the States? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 I thought 1 year was too small of a sample size, especially for a Japanese-born pitcher coming over to the States? Try to find the Japanese pitcher who was better in their 2nd year in the US than their first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anskyruben Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 One of them just won game 3 of the World Series. Awful signing. He won that game despite himself. No overpowering performance seen. Maybe these teams will figure out that Sushi land, is not a breeding ground for great pitchers. The Red Sux are stuck with that contract for a few years. It will be hilarious to see that one play out. Igawa is another steaming pile of crap. Just not as expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 Have there even been 20 japanese pitchers in MLB yet? You can't make generalizations based on less than 20 pitchers most of which weren't star-caliber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 igawa's little league stats project to him being a better pitcher so he must be better huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 Funny. reminded of Hammers post " i think the janks were playing Possum by signing Igawa" ya think Theo made right decision now? with that said, F the Sux F the pats F the whole cesspool of a city called Bastun. F the accent too Ham doesn't post here anymore apparently. You can post this in the old country for him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted October 29, 2007 Share Posted October 29, 2007 He pitched 5 mediocre innings and got lucky that Josh Fogg was pitching against him. He was mediocre all year. Again, not being able to see the forest for the trees. Like Beckett last year, he was hit or miss all year. He cut his teeth this year. He went from pitching every 6 days to a new culture and pitching every 5 days in Boston. North American playuers have trouble going from small markets to NY/Boston. He had to do it with the expectations of a 100 million hanging over his head. Like with Beckett the year before, he showed enough that there is no reason not to expect better things next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 So you're saying the Yankees will want to BUY the contract(and, mind you, the "talking rights") to Dice-K? But no...Theo wouldnt let Dice-K go...it's obvious he is the Japanese Babe Ruth. I can see it now "The curse of the Dice Kino " . No Sox pennants for the next 90+ years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 He pitched 5 mediocre innings and got lucky that Josh Fogg was pitching against him. He was mediocre all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted October 30, 2007 Author Share Posted October 30, 2007 Ham doesn't post here anymore apparently. You can post this in the old country for him though. i hope my post did not drive him out i like hammer..you should try and entice him back maybe you should ship him out some more JN T shirts;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 i hope my post did not drive him out i like hammer..you should try and entice him back maybe you should ship him out some more JN T shirts;) Ham is a good guy, I like him a lot. But he stopped posting here when he became a JI Mod. Not sure of the exact timing but I think he stopped posting here when baseball season started. I wish he would post here I always enjoyed his stuff. But we are past trying to entice people to post here. We get accused of stealing posters when we do such things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Again, not being able to see the forest for the trees. Like Beckett last year, he was hit or miss all year. He cut his teeth this year. He went from pitching every 6 days to a new culture and pitching every 5 days in Boston. North American playuers have trouble going from small markets to NY/Boston. He had to do it with the expectations of a 100 million hanging over his head. Like with Beckett the year before, he showed enough that there is no reason not to expect better things next year. Except for the fact that Japanese pitchers don't get better in the majors. But all your inexact homer reasons point to him winning the cy young lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Except for the fact that Japanese pitchers don't get better in the majors. But all your inexact homer reasons point to him winning the cy young lol. Hideki Okajima. The defense rests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Hideki Okajima. The defense rests. You're kidding right? When the hell did he get better? He started out very well and then got worse as the season went on. There is no way he will ever match what he did in the first half of last season. NONE. Flukajima had a .87 ERA in the first half and a 4.57 in the 2nd NTM the 2 bomb homers he gave up in the series. He's a COMPLETE fluke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Try to find the Japanese pitcher who was better in their 2nd year in the US than their first. Kazuhiro Sasaki Takashi Saito Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Kazuhiro Sasaki Takashi Saito Sasaki was in no way better in his 2nd season. Saito was better in some areas and worse in others. He was the closest to maintaining the same performance. However Flukajima was already correcting at the end of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Sasaki was in no way better in his 2nd season. Saito was better in some areas and worse in others. He was the closest to maintaining the same performance. However Flukajima was already correcting at the end of last season. Sasaki's WHIP in his second season was .0885....walks went down by 20, Homers allowed went down...Saves went up. Saito was much better despite being injured.....try saying you were wrong in place of "maintaining". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Sasaki's WHIP in his second season was .0885....walks went down by 20, Homers allowed went down...Saves went up. Saito was much better despite being injured.....try saying you were wrong in place of "maintaining". I would if I was wrong but i'm not. His k9 went down almost 3 points in his 2nd year which is clear evidence that his stuff was fooling less and less hitters. Same with Saito. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 I would if I was wrong but i'm not. His k9 went down almost 3 points in his 2nd year which is clear evidence that his stuff was fooling less and less hitters. Same with Saito. LOL....you have now supplanted all prior rubbish that you have posted....so K's is the only way a pitcher is allowed to retire hitters to rate in your book? I'm done discussing after that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 LOL....you have now supplanted all prior rubbish that you have posted....so K's is the only way a pitcher is allowed to retire hitters to rate in your book? I'm done discussing after that one. No it's not but k9 is a clear indication of how well a pitcher's stuff is fooling hitters. When that drops 3 points in a year it's clear that the hitters are catching up to a pitcher. And since both Sasaki and Saito have one outpitch it is clear that the more big league hitter saw them the more they layed off that pitch. BTW you should have a met/sox WS ring as your avatar just like crazy carl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 You're kidding right? When the hell did he get better? He started out very well and then got worse as the season went on. There is no way he will ever match what he did in the first half of last season. NONE. Flukajima had a .87 ERA in the first half and a 4.57 in the 2nd NTM the 2 bomb homers he gave up in the series. He's a COMPLETE fluke. I thought you meant better here than Japan. My mistake. He will still be a top set-up man for the Red Sox for the next few years though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 BTW you should have a met/sox WS ring as your avatar just like crazy carl. I don't have a WS Ring as my Avatar. And I don't understand the met/sox thing either? I am not anywhere near being a Mets fan. Not in the least bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 I thought you meant better here than Japan. My mistake. He will still be a top set-up man for the Red Sox for the next few years though. Yeah just like that 6 ERA in Aug and 10 ERA in Sep shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Yeah just like that 6 ERA in Aug and 10 ERA in Sep shows. What did someone say about "small samples"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Dice-K and Hideki Okajima are two of the bigger reasons the Red Sox won the World Series. Point blank, that is all that matters. They were tired and worn down from a long season neither one of them are used to. Did they whine and cry? No they went out took the ball when their manager asked them to and got crucial outs in big games. I'll take that on my team and it might be why the Yankees are in the situation they are in. The Red Sox are a team, the Yankees are individuals posing as a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 I would if I was wrong but i'm not. His k9 went down almost 3 points in his 2nd year which is clear evidence that his stuff was fooling less and less hitters. Same with Saito. It must be great to NEVER be wrong when it comes to baseball Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Dice-K and Hideki Okajima are two of the bigger reasons the Red Sox won the World Series. Point blank, that is all that matters. They were tired and worn down from a long season neither one of them are used to. Did they whine and cry? No they went out took the ball when their manager asked them to and got crucial outs in big games. I'll take that on my team and it might be why the Yankees are in the situation they are in. The Red Sox are a team, the Yankees are individuals posing as a team. Matsuzaka was the definition of mediocre and Flukeajima got bombed. What games were you watching? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 I think Matsuzaka's going to be better next year, he'll be over and used to the transition and he'll tire out deeper into the season. He still might not be worth that huge contract though. And it looked to me like he pitched 5 good innings and then ran out of gas in the 6th. I think players will figure Okajima out; he might still be a decent reliever, but I don't think he'll be posting a sub 3 ERA again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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