TomShane Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 I base this on this criteria: Anamolous power-number season followed by a debiliitating rash of joint injuries: The obvious: Brady Anderson Sheffield Giambi McGwire Bonds Shawn Green Sammy Sosa The not so obvious: Garrett Anderson Tim Salmon Brendan Donnelly Eric Gagne Mike Piazza Manny Ramirez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 The Obvious: David Ortiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted June 22, 2005 Author Share Posted June 22, 2005 Juan Gonzalez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasonJet Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 The Obvious: David Ortiz I was gonna say the same thing. Ortiz: 2000 10 HR/415 AB 2002 20 HR/412 AB 2003 31 HR/448 AB 2004 41 HR/582 AB I'm sure it's just a coincidence his homerun totals have quadrupled in 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Juan Gonzalez bagwell palmiero (no it doesn't happen to all guys) pudge dibble (wouldn't be surprised) from what i understand, a lot of MLB players including Giambi are still on HGH - almost impossible to test for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 nomar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Nomar - definitely. Manny Ramirez? You are out of your mind. The man is the idiot savant of hitting. He's been hitting well lately and I think his wife may have helped get his head out from up his own arse.....or was that outter space>? Serioulsy, Manny on roid's is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Bret Boone. Remember when the guy hit over 30 homers a couple years ago well into his 30's, even though he was nothing more than a weak-hitting middle infielder up until that point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 80...good call. Bret Boone definite. But if I had to pick one guy and my life depended on it...Brady Anderson is his name. He went from being a guy with pop to a 50 homerun threat. Come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Darin Erstad and Troy Glaus. Both very talented, cut, but also always hurt. May be a whole LA/Anaheim colony of roid guys. And Kevin Millar. This guy goes froma total worthless fatass on his way to Japan with the Marlins to a solid HR/RBI for a few of the Wild West roid years, and now with testing he again sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Darin Erstad? I suppose its possible, but he would have been 1 of the last players on the angels I would have suspected of using roids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Are: Barry Balco Sammy Corksa Jason Giambi (even though he's off now) Thoughts About: Curt Schilling Cliff Floyd Eric Gagne Manny Ramirez David Ortiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Darin Erstad and Troy Glaus. Both very talented, cut, but also always hurt. May be a whole LA/Anaheim colony of roid guys. And Kevin Millar. This guy goes froma total worthless fatass on his way to Japan with the Marlins to a solid HR/RBI for a few of the Wild West roid years, and now with testing he again sucks. Millar is hitting again. Not that I like the guy - I think he's a jacka@@ - but it is his MO to suck for two months or more and then tear it up. Plus - you must have missed him on Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. No way someone that looks that out of shape can be on 'roids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Jose Canseco J/K Garret Anderson? Not a chance...the guy is a contac t hitter and when you put that much wood on the ball,you will get a few out. Troy Percival Rob Nenn Tim Salmon Eric Gagne Roger Clemens Luis Gonzalez Pudge Jeormy Bernitz Gabe Kapler Trot Nixon Frank Thomas Raul Mondesi Richard Hidalgo Nomar Garciapara Mike Lowell Jeff Bagwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 These are the players I'm adding into the witch-hunt (if not previously mentoned, because I havent seen the above posts Pudge Rodriguez (anybody see how slim he got this off-season?) Nomar Garciapara (see Bob Ryan article) Frank Thomas Jeff Bagwell David Ortiz (only because the guy is so damn huge) and the most popular name I'll throw in: Nolan Ryan (45 year old who still pitched with power) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Bret Boone. Remember when the guy hit over 30 homers a couple years ago well into his 30's, even though he was nothing more than a weak-hitting middle infielder up until that point? Boone definitely belongs on list. Ortiz I think is and always has been clean. There are hundreds of players. Look at the relievers struggles this year. IMO roids helped them come back every day easier in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 Joe McEwing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gang Green Girl Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 NEVER. Ever. Ever. Ever. took/thought about steroids: 1. Ichiro 2. Griffey, Jr. 3. The dreamiest man in baseball ::wub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 I refuse to believe Frank Thomas was ever on steroids. Children need heroes, damn it. Albert Belle too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 I refuse to believe Frank Thomas was ever on steroids. Children need heroes, damn it. well, it would explain his injury problems around the turn of the century Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 John Jaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 I was gonna say the same thing. Ortiz: 2000 10 HR/415 AB 2002 20 HR/412 AB 2003 31 HR/448 AB 2004 41 HR/582 AB I'm sure it's just a coincidence his homerun totals have quadrupled in 5 years. Why leave out 2001 when he hit 18 in 303 ABs? I am not saying he is or is not, but a player that goes from 10 to 18 to 20 to 31 to 41 is showing career progression. Plus, it can not hurt to bat left at Fenway Park for 81 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 so does anyone else suspect Nolan Ryan of roid use in the late 80s/early 90s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet/BosoxFan Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 I was gonna say the same thing. Ortiz: 2000 10 HR/415 AB 2002 20 HR/412 AB 2003 31 HR/448 AB 2004 41 HR/582 AB I'm sure it's just a coincidence his homerun totals have quadrupled in 5 years. (sigh) Idiots. Try as you might to diminish the accomplishments of BIG PAPI (!!!) but the wild accusation is void of any and all merit. Of course it is...it derives from the stained keyboard of EB. 1. Its no coincidence that Ortiz's power numbers quadrupled...so did the amount of at-bats he gets. 2. Steroids make you big and buff with chizzled muscle, not fatness. Basically, if Ortiz shot up, he must not have touched a dumbbell. 3. This year it is assumed everyone is steroid free and Ortiz is still smashing HRs...moonshots too. Basically you 2 playa-hatas can suck it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet/BosoxFan Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Kevin Millar? He looks like a fat, beer-swilling couch potato. Do you people even know anyone who has taken steroids before? Some notables left out: Brad Fullmer Mike Sweeney Benito Santiago (duh) Kevin Brown Milton Bradley Paul O'Neil (roid rage) and last but not least, the players who needed steroids just to get to the level of SUCKING: Manny Alexander Jeremy Giambi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted June 23, 2005 Author Share Posted June 23, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 3. This year it is assumed everyone is steroid free and Ortiz is still smashing HRs...moonshots too. what about sheffield? hes still doing fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/millake01.shtml At 31, after a career of doing so little that the Marlins were doing him a favor by selling him to Japan, suddenly former waste product Millar does his best HR and RBI numbers by a bunch in roughly a few more ABs in Boston than his last year in Fla. and does it for another year. And now, with testing in full swing, he again sucks. Anyone who would dye his hair is likely to have no problem bumping up his intake of "supplements". Roids doesn't necessarily make you a cut Jim Jupiter. If you look at Giambi or Bonds or any number of others, it can add as much mass as muscle. Which in Ortiz and Millar and others turns warning track outs into HRs. The career peaks in a guy's 30s and increase in mass is exactly indictive of roids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 And one more thing-with the wear&tear catchers go thorugh, I'd almost be surprised if they didn't. That goes for damn near everyone-Piazza, Posada, Varitek, Pudge, Kendall. The position grinds you up and spits you out. Varitek to be as solid as he is every October is either a freak or gobbling them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavrik Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 These are the players I'm adding into the witch-hunt (if not previously mentoned, because I havent seen the above posts Pudge Rodriguez (anybody see how slim he got this off-season?) Nomar Garciapara (see Bob Ryan article) Frank Thomas Jeff Bagwell David Ortiz (only because the guy is so damn huge) and the most popular name I'll throw in: Nolan Ryan (45 year old who still pitched with power) Ryan was a freak of nature. That's all. If you honestly think him and all 180 lbs of him were on roids, then you need to have your head examined. By your logic, Randy Johnson, Roger Clemens, Jesse Orosco, and Jamie Moyer are or have juiced up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Jesse Orosco What? He pitched since the dawn of time! He's like a billion! Honestly... any player who's suited up, majors or in the minors, is under suspicion of taking roids. From Ortiz to Jeter and everyone in between. Except Ichiro. Dude's like rail thin. And, I don't believe that Alex Sanchez ever took roids. Not with the amount of sucking I saw him do in Detroit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Paul O'Neil (roid rage) Yea...cuz he was huge and chizzled right? didn't you just say " Steroids make you big and buff with chizzled muscle" How much sense do you make? Not everybody gets cut doing roids....most guys just put on mass...which means fat guys can hide the mass alot better then skinny guys(Bonds). If Paul O'Neil was on roids he needs to ask for a full refund right now. Damn sometimes you really make wonder how stupid you really must be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Geoff Jenkins Mike Piazza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/millake01.shtml At 31, after a career of doing so little that the Marlins were doing him a favor by selling him to Japan, suddenly former waste product Millar does his best HR and RBI numbers by a bunch in roughly a few more ABs in Boston than his last year in Fla. and does it for another year. And now, with testing in full swing, he again sucks. Anyone who would dye his hair is likely to have no problem bumping up his intake of "supplements". Roids doesn't necessarily make you a cut Jim Jupiter. If you look at Giambi or Bonds or any number of others, it can add as much mass as muscle. Which in Ortiz and Millar and others turns warning track outs into HRs. The career peaks in a guy's 30s and increase in mass is exactly indictive of roids. Again, as I said with Ortiz or Manny for that matter, I do not know if Millar is taking roids or not, but let's be realistic here. Millar's highs prior to Boston: AB: 449 BA: .314 HRs: 20 RBIs: 85 Millar's highs in Boston: AB: 544 (+95) BA: .297 (-17) HRs: 25 (+5) RBIs: 96 (+11) Of course Bugg could be on to something, he does have his second, third, fourth and fifth career stolen bases. Bugg's latter point (i.e. numbers being off) is a valid point, but it is not like his career high jump in numbers was Brady Andersonesque. He had an increase of 5 HRs and 11 RBIs which was accomplished in almost 100 more ABs. That seems about right with the increased ABs, playing in Fenway and with a better team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet/BosoxFan Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Yea...cuz he was huge and chizzled right? didn't you just say " Steroids make you big and buff with chizzled muscle" How much sense do you make? Not everybody gets cut doing roids....most guys just put on mass...which means fat guys can hide the mass alot better then skinny guys(Bonds). If Paul O'Neil was on roids he needs to ask for a full refund right now. Damn sometimes you really make wonder how stupid you really must be. While I agree that this is the dumbest thread I've ever participated in...and I'm not shocked smizzy is a part of it either...you dont need to lecture me about the positives/negatives about steroids. You get fat and grow manboobs only if u let urself go after prolonged periods of time without keeping yourself in shape. If those 2 dudes were taking steroids, they both seemingly never touched a freeweight. Thats not cheating in my book, thats putting urself at a serious disadvantage. David Ortiz and Kevin Millar are not on steroids. Period! Thats all there is to say about that. I'm not saying the Red Sox dont have their culprits, just you Yankee fans simply must be held accountable for your ridiculous statements. I threw in Paul O'Neil to iritate you guys like you threw in guys like Schilling, Ortiz, Millar, etc... to irritate us. Both statements make zero sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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