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Trades

LB Jonathan Vilma to Cincy for a 2008 3rd round pick

QB Chad Pennington to Minnesota for a 2008 5th round pick

Free Agent Signings

OG Stacy Andrews

WR Bryant Johnson

CB Randall Gay

NT Isaac Sopoaga

Free Agent Re-Signings

LB Victor Hobson

FB Darian Barnes

5 Round Mock Draft

1st round: DE Chris Long - Virginia

As of now, Kenyon Coleman is the only solid point of the D-line. Robertson is a total misfit and Ellis is getting long in the tooth. Long has 4 years experience at 3-4 DE and is an elite talent. He has a non-stop motor and is stout at the point of attack. Seen any of UVA's games this year? This kid is the playmaker we desperately need on the defensive line.

2nd round: OLB Shawn Crable - Michigan

This is the perfect choice at the beginning of round 2. Crable is regarded as a late 1st/early 2nd round prospect and has the potential to be a very good tweener in the NFL. The athleticism, size, and speed is all there. This kid produces on the football field and it would be great to reunite him with fellow Michigan alum David Harris and form a dynamic 3-4 LB corps.

3rd round: OT Jeff Otah - Pittsburgh

The Jets need more talented bigmen along the O-line and Otah would be a nice player to unseat Clement as the starting RT. He's rock solid in both runblocking and pass protection and has ideal size for the position at 6'6 340. A player to definitely look out for over the coming months.

3rd roound: CB Trae Williams - South Florida

David Barrett is as good as gone IMO and the Jets need more added depth in the secondary. Williams is a talented ballhawk who has all the physical skills to become at the very least a very solid #2 corner. He's a bit raw but should contribute from the get-go in nickel and dime packages.

4th round: DT Frank Morton - Tulane

There are no good NT's via the draft or free agency this year but there are a couple of mid-late round projects at the position. Morton is a space eater at 6'2 335 and has the ability to take on multiple blockers. He has the build of a prototypical 3-4 NT: short legs and compact frame. Could turn out to be a bigtime sleeper.

5th round: OG Chester Adams - Georgia

Depth on the O-line is essential so we invest a late round pick on Adams. He has big upside but is very raw and has a few injury concerns. An incredible athlete and overpowering mauler in the run game.

5th round: P Durant Brooks - Georgia Tech

Yeah, a punter and why the hell not? Ben Graham may be the most overrated player on the team. He's average at best and is damn near 40 years old. Brooks is an awesome young punter who should be a solid investment in the mid-late 5th round.

2008 Starting Lineup

QB Kellen Clemens

RB Thomas Jones

FB Darian Barnes

WR Laveranues Coles

WR Jerricho Cotchery

TE Chris Baker

LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson

LG Stacy Andrews

C Nick Mangold

RG Brandon Moore

RT Jeff Otah

DE Chris Long

NT Isaac Sopoaga

DE Kenyon Coleman

OLB Bryan Thomas

ILB David Harris

ILB Victor Hobson

OLB Shawn Crable

CB Darrelle Revis

CB Randall Gay

FS Kerry Rhodes

SS Abram Elam

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Trades

LB Jonathan Vilma to Cincy for a 2008 3rd round pick

QB Chad Pennington to Minnesota for a 2008 5th round pick

Free Agent Signings

OG Stacy Andrews

WR Bryant Johnson

CB Randall Gay

NT Isaac Sopoaga

Free Agent Re-Signings

LB Victor Hobson

FB Darian Barnes

5 Round Mock Draft

1st round: DE Chris Long - Virginia

As of now, Kenyon Coleman is the only solid point of the D-line. Robertson is a total misfit and Ellis is getting long in the tooth. Long has 4 years experience at 3-4 DE and is an elite talent. He has a non-stop motor and is stout at the point of attack. Seen any of UVA's games this year? This kid is the playmaker we desperately need on the defensive line.

2nd round: OLB Shawn Crable - Michigan

This is the perfect choice at the beginning of round 2. Crable is regarded as a late 1st/early 2nd round prospect and has the potential to be a very good tweener in the NFL. The athleticism, size, and speed is all there. This kid produces on the football field and it would be great to reunite him with fellow Michigan alum David Harris and form a dynamic 3-4 LB corps.

3rd round: OT Jeff Otah - Pittsburgh

The Jets need more talented bigmen along the O-line and Otah would be a nice player to unseat Clement as the starting RT. He's rock solid in both runblocking and pass protection and has ideal size for the position at 6'6 340. A player to definitely look out for over the coming months.

3rd roound: CB Trae Williams - South Florida

David Barrett is as good as gone IMO and the Jets need more added depth in the secondary. Williams is a talented ballhawk who has all the physical skills to become at the very least a very solid #2 corner. He's a bit raw but should contribute from the get-go in nickel and dime packages.

4th round: DT Frank Morton - Tulane

There are no good NT's via the draft or free agency this year but there are a couple of mid-late round projects at the position. Morton is a space eater at 6'2 335 and has the ability to take on multiple blockers. He has the build of a prototypical 3-4 NT: short legs and compact frame. Could turn out to be a bigtime sleeper.

5th round: OG Chester Adams - Georgia

Depth on the O-line is essential so we invest a late round pick on Adams. He has big upside but is very raw and has a few injury concerns. An incredible athlete and overpowering mauler in the run game.

5th round: P Durant Brooks - Georgia Tech

Yeah, a punter and why the hell not? Ben Graham may be the most overrated player on the team. He's average at best and is damn near 40 years old. Brooks is an awesome young punter who should be a solid investment in the mid-late 5th round.

2008 Starting Lineup

QB Kellen Clemens

RB Thomas Jones

FB Darian Barnes

WR Laveranues Coles

WR Jerricho Cotchery

TE Chris Baker

LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson

LG Stacy Andrews

C Nick Mangold

RG Brandon Moore

RT Jeff Otah

DE Chris Long

NT Isaac Sopoaga

DE Kenyon Coleman

OLB Bryan Thomas

ILB David Harris

ILB Victor Hobson

OLB Shawn Crable

CB Darrelle Revis

CB Randall Gay

FS Kerry Rhodes

SS Abram Elam

Like the last one you made its realistic. i still though think we can manage a 1st or at least a high second rounder for Vilma.

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Trades

LB Jonathan Vilma to Cincy for a 2008 3rd round pick -i think we can do better

QB Chad Pennington to Minnesota for a 2008 5th round pick -he'll probably get cut

Free Agent Signings

OG Stacy Andrews

WR Bryant Johnson

CB Randall Gay

NT Isaac Sopoaga

Free Agent Re-Signings

LB Victor Hobson

FB Darian Barnes

5 Round Mock Draft

1st round: DE Chris Long - Virginia -not a fit in 3-4 scheme(i love this kid though)

As of now, Kenyon Coleman is the only solid point of the D-line. Robertson is a total misfit and Ellis is getting long in the tooth. Long has 4 years experience at 3-4 DE and is an elite talent. He has a non-stop motor and is stout at the point of attack. Seen any of UVA's games this year? This kid is the playmaker we desperately need on the defensive line.

2nd round: OLB Shawn Crable - Michigan -great pick

This is the perfect choice at the beginning of round 2. Crable is regarded as a late 1st/early 2nd round prospect and has the potential to be a very good tweener in the NFL. The athleticism, size, and speed is all there. This kid produces on the football field and it would be great to reunite him with fellow Michigan alum David Harris and form a dynamic 3-4 LB corps.

3rd round: OT Jeff Otah - Pittsburgh

The Jets need more talented bigmen along the O-line and Otah would be a nice player to unseat Clement as the starting RT. He's rock solid in both runblocking and pass protection and has ideal size for the position at 6'6 340. A player to definitely look out for over the coming months.

3rd roound: CB Trae Williams - South Florida

David Barrett is as good as gone IMO and the Jets need more added depth in the secondary. Williams is a talented ballhawk who has all the physical skills to become at the very least a very solid #2 corner. He's a bit raw but should contribute from the get-go in nickel and dime packages.

4th round: DT Frank Morton - Tulane -reach

There are no good NT's via the draft or free agency this year but there are a couple of mid-late round projects at the position. Morton is a space eater at 6'2 335 and has the ability to take on multiple blockers. He has the build of a prototypical 3-4 NT: short legs and compact frame. Could turn out to be a bigtime sleeper.

5th round: OG Chester Adams - Georgia

Depth on the O-line is essential so we invest a late round pick on Adams. He has big upside but is very raw and has a few injury concerns. An incredible athlete and overpowering mauler in the run game.

5th round: P Durant Brooks - Georgia Tech -i would rather go OL or DL

Yeah, a punter and why the hell not? Ben Graham may be the most overrated player on the team. He's average at best and is damn near 40 years old. Brooks is an awesome young punter who should be a solid investment in the mid-late 5th round.

2008 Starting Lineup

QB Kellen Clemens

RB Thomas Jones

FB Darian Barnes

WR Laveranues Coles

WR Jerricho Cotchery

TE Chris Baker

LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson

LG Stacy Andrews

C Nick Mangold

RG Brandon Moore

RT Jeff Otah

DE Chris Long

NT Isaac Sopoaga

DE Kenyon Coleman

OLB Bryan Thomas

ILB David Harris

ILB Victor Hobson

OLB Shawn Crable

CB Darrelle Revis

CB Randall Gay

FS Kerry Rhodes -i think he is listed as SS

SS Abram Elam

my opinion is in bold

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As you can see I desperately want us to draft McFadden. Long is a great player but I couldnt see him thriving in this system. I like the idea of us going for a big body late on, like you said we need a space eater. But we cannot go into another year with D-Rob starting at NT, if he's going to stay he should play DE. Otherwise he has to go.

Also like the Crable pick, he shouldnt have any problems developing a chemistry with harris in the LB core and they would probbly work wonders together.

The main main thing I hate about this mock is that its probably closer to the truth than anything I would hope for unfortunately.

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Chris Long just doesn't fit in the 34 defense IMO. The Jets need to either trade down and stockpile 1st day draft picks and position themselves to take either Lawerence Jackson (6'5, 265) of USC or Quentin Groves (6'3, 254) of Auburn. Pass rushing specialists.:beer:

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I was gonna ask if Shawn Crable was any relation to ex-Jet Bob Crable until I looked up his picture

You know I tend to agree with you UT on Graham being over-rated. he has the tendency to shank them at least once a game-those 27 yarders friggin hurt especially from midfield

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Here are my issues. And keep in mind, if "what to do" was so easy/obvious, there would be no discussion. So I respect you putting this out there & opening yourself up to criticism...criticism I'm about to give you, lol.

1) Why are you keeping so much cap room laying around? You're leaving us some $20M under the cap & only picking up marginal FA's. I like being in great cap shape. But to me, the purpose of clearing cap room is to use it on better players than you've got; not having it for the sake of having it.

2) Why are you keeping DRob instead of cutting him for a $7-8M cap savings that could be used on a hell of a lot better OG than Stacy Andrews. I wouldn't mind picking up Andrews to compete with Moore, but not as our one & only FA acquisition for a line in dire need of immediate help. When you've got such glaring holes, as we do at LG, I don't think you try to fix that with below-average FA's and mid-late draft picks. You do that when you've got a solid line with potentially difficult contracts coming up with your current starters, so you have this as a backup plan. Our OL needs a STARTING plan. And Moore isn't so friggin' good (or so expensive) that he should go into 2008 without any competition. Bring in Faneca AND Andrews & then I'd be on board, instead of dicking around with patchwork fixing of the line.

3) Who is backing up Clemens? I notice you traded Pennington for a 5th rounder (which I would take if that was the best offer just to clear his $4.8M salary off the cap, but I doubt we'd get so little for him). Who are our #2 & #3 QB's - Tuiasohorrible & Ratliff? I saw that shortsightedness once before in 1999 & don't care to repeat the error. If you're not going to use the cap space, I see little point in trading Pennington for a draft pick...only to then use the pick on a punter.

4) Morton is a way reach at the very top of round 4 from what I've read about him. If you want a sleeper, you don't take a round 6-7 prospect by pulling the trigger on him at the very top of round 4. This is EXACTLY what we did with Pouha except half a round later; you're drafting him purely because of his size & a top-100 pick is too high to reach like that IMO. He'll surely still be there in round 5 where you have us taking a punter (which would - and should - get Tannenbaum shot in the face). Then use that top-5 day-two pick on a clear-cut, day one prospect who slipped a bit. He's only a sleeper NT if we take him really late, like we did with Fergie. Otherwise this it's just Sione Pouha Part II & probably not even as good of a prospect as Pouha was.

5) What are you doing with Robertson ($7.6M salary), Ellis ($3.1M salary), Barton ($3.2M salary), & Barrett ($3.6M salary)? Or are you planning on using some 1/6 of our available 2008 cap space ($17.5M) on four backup players who you don't figure to be in our long-term plans (or probably on the team even one year later)? Why not dump these insanely expensive players if they're not starting for you anyway & pick up some REAL free agent talent instead of adding a handful of David Bowenses?

6) Bryant Johnson will be a more expensive version of Justin McCareins, who is already under contract & has already taken a significant pay cut for 2008 (from $3.2M to $1.1M). Johnson will be seeking #2 starter money along the lines of Kevin Curtis. I doubt we give Johnson a contract with similar #'s to the one we gave Cotchery (and it's the kind of money I think he'll command as a former first-rounder some interested teams will see as having "untapped potential"). For a #3 WR who's really never done anything in 5 seasons, that's a bit steep $$$. I'd rather save money on this position & get us better upgrades on the lines. He always had talent, but even when given the opportunity to start here & there (due to Boldin/Fitzgerald injuries), he really didn't make much of it. Even worse, considering that the healthy player opposite him was likely the one drawing the defense's attention. Have no objection to picking up a tall, speedy wideout. But a dirt-cheap Drew Carter/Shaun McDonald type & beefing up the OL/DL/LBers will do more for this team than a slight upgrade at a wideout who won't even start.

As far as the other picks, I like the idea of getting a DL stud early. Long is not too small to play DE in a 3-4 with college size/weight of 6'4/284 (see Keisel, Jarvis Green & Luis Castillo - all similar size to Long). He may be too small for Ellis' SIDE (like Ellis is) of a 3-4 line. Always confused me why Ellis is taking on RT's/RG's and Coleman is taking on LT's/LG's. Usually the beefier/better run-stopping guy goes against the right side of the OL & the more athletic/faster/lighter one vs LT's/LG's. So I'd flip Coleman to the other side & put Long in Coleman's place.

The problem, then, is putting Crable right behind Long. Two rookies manning that side may not be the most brilliant plan in the world. Then on a lot of plays, the ILB'ers swap right/left anyway. So now you've got some plays with two rookies & a first-time ILB for the entire side of the field. That "could" be a problem.

Hobson physically looks the part of an ILB, and was generally a sure tackler in his time here but as I understand it he's never played the position, even at Michigan. I seriously doubt that this sudden switch in the middle of his career will warrant the FA contract he'll cost. The time to experiment with that move is this year while he's ALREADY under contract. Since that's unlikely to happen, that seems like a bad move to give him a new contract & put him at a position he's never played before.

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I appreciate these posts too. It is much easier to criticize them and tweak them than to actually formulate a plan of my own. One thing I'd note: UT, Sperm and Chad all went through this pretty thoroughly and I'd say if we're doing all this they had better bring another safety in. I can't see going into a season expecting Abraham Elam to start. I actually like the kid, but at a minimum we should bring in a guy like Maddox was, a special teamer with some potential. I would not be averse to buring a first day pick on one or picking up a valid free agent. Especially if we are letting EColeman walk. Isn't he a FA? Talk about dicking around, that's what we've been doing with that spot.

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Chris Long just doesn't fit in the 34 defense IMO. The Jets need to either trade down and stockpile 1st day draft picks and position themselves to take either Lawerence Jackson (6'5, 265) of USC or Quentin Groves (6'3, 254) of Auburn. Pass rushing specialists.:beer:

Pass rushing specialists? Why would they need that? They are going to get the best CBs in the world and won't have to even rush the QB. Each pass play will take 3 minutes but it will be incomplete. That is how good the Jets corners are gonna be.

You have no faith man. No faith.

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Pass rushing specialists? Why would they need that? They are going to get the best CBs in the world and won't have to even rush the QB. Each pass play will take 3 minutes but it will be incomplete. That is how good the Jets corners are gonna be.

You have no faith man. No faith.

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we would have to clone darrelle revis

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Trades

LB Jonathan Vilma to Cincy for a 2008 3rd round pick

QB Chad Pennington to Minnesota for a 2008 5th round pick

Free Agent Signings

OG Stacy Andrews

WR Bryant Johnson

CB Randall Gay

NT Isaac Sopoaga

Free Agent Re-Signings

LB Victor Hobson

FB Darian Barnes

5 Round Mock Draft

1st round: DE Chris Long - Virginia

As of now, Kenyon Coleman is the only solid point of the D-line. Robertson is a total misfit and Ellis is getting long in the tooth. Long has 4 years experience at 3-4 DE and is an elite talent. He has a non-stop motor and is stout at the point of attack. Seen any of UVA's games this year? This kid is the playmaker we desperately need on the defensive line.

2nd round: OLB Shawn Crable - Michigan

This is the perfect choice at the beginning of round 2. Crable is regarded as a late 1st/early 2nd round prospect and has the potential to be a very good tweener in the NFL. The athleticism, size, and speed is all there. This kid produces on the football field and it would be great to reunite him with fellow Michigan alum David Harris and form a dynamic 3-4 LB corps.

3rd round: OT Jeff Otah - Pittsburgh

The Jets need more talented bigmen along the O-line and Otah would be a nice player to unseat Clement as the starting RT. He's rock solid in both runblocking and pass protection and has ideal size for the position at 6'6 340. A player to definitely look out for over the coming months.

3rd roound: CB Trae Williams - South Florida

David Barrett is as good as gone IMO and the Jets need more added depth in the secondary. Williams is a talented ballhawk who has all the physical skills to become at the very least a very solid #2 corner. He's a bit raw but should contribute from the get-go in nickel and dime packages.

4th round: DT Frank Morton - Tulane

There are no good NT's via the draft or free agency this year but there are a couple of mid-late round projects at the position. Morton is a space eater at 6'2 335 and has the ability to take on multiple blockers. He has the build of a prototypical 3-4 NT: short legs and compact frame. Could turn out to be a bigtime sleeper.

5th round: OG Chester Adams - Georgia

Depth on the O-line is essential so we invest a late round pick on Adams. He has big upside but is very raw and has a few injury concerns. An incredible athlete and overpowering mauler in the run game.

5th round: P Durant Brooks - Georgia Tech

Yeah, a punter and why the hell not? Ben Graham may be the most overrated player on the team. He's average at best and is damn near 40 years old. Brooks is an awesome young punter who should be a solid investment in the mid-late 5th round.

2008 Starting Lineup

QB Kellen Clemens

RB Thomas Jones

FB Darian Barnes

WR Laveranues Coles

WR Jerricho Cotchery

TE Chris Baker

LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson

LG Stacy Andrews

C Nick Mangold

RG Brandon Moore

RT Jeff Otah

DE Chris Long

NT Isaac Sopoaga

DE Kenyon Coleman

OLB Bryan Thomas

ILB David Harris

ILB Victor Hobson

OLB Shawn Crable

CB Darrelle Revis

CB Randall Gay

FS Kerry Rhodes

SS Abram Elam

Believe it or not, Chad should get them higher than a 5th rounder. Vilma should be able to land them a late 1st, early 2nd rounder unless his injury is really bad. Besides that, I think this looks pretty good. I don't know if I like Randall Gay as the starting CB opposite Revis though. They'd be better off keeping Dyson if that's the case. I also think Shaun Ellis will be back but maybe as a rotational guy.

Overall, you did a great job on this!

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two points

1) i don't see how Isaac Sopoaga is an upgrade over DRob.

2) for the rebuttals - Chris Long was born to play in the 3-4 and Alan Faneca is not on the market.

Sopoaga is definitely an upgrade from D-Rob - not as an overall player but as a NT which is what the Jets need.

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Chris Long just doesn't fit in the 34 defense IMO. The Jets need to either trade down and stockpile 1st day draft picks and position themselves to take either Lawerence Jackson (6'5, 265) of USC or Quentin Groves (6'3, 254) of Auburn. Pass rushing specialists.:beer:

Once again, Long plays in the 3-4 already a lot of the time. People are a little too caught up in the fact that he doesn't weigh 300 pounds. He can always bulk up a bit as he has the frame for it and he already knows what a 3-4 End does and he does it good.

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two points

1) i don't see how Isaac Sopoaga is an upgrade over DRob.

2) for the rebuttals - Chris Long was born to play in the 3-4 and Alan Faneca is not on the market.

Alan Faneca is a UFA after this season is over. Until such time as the Steelers re-sign or franchise him, which they have given no indication they are doing, he IS on the market for 2008.

After the way DRob got pushed aside so effortlessly this past Sunday, I would need proof that he is an upgrade over ANYONE at NT. And if nothing else, Sopoaga doesn't cost anywhere close to DRob's $7.6M salary for 2008 alone. DRob may not be the worst DT in the league, but the guy just isn't good enough to justify that kind of cap space (almost $10M when his SB is factored in) & never has been other than a random good game here & there.

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Alan Faneca is a UFA after this season is over. Until such time as the Steelers re-sign or franchise him, which they have given no indication they are doing, he IS on the market for 2008.

the Steelers will franchise him again, and if they don't that means he's done. the Kimo situation should have taught us all, you don't sign a player the Steelers give up on. they are the best when it comes to getting rid of guys who are done. I repeat - if they don't franchise faneca, we don't want him.

After the way DRob got pushed aside so effortlessly this past Sunday, I would need proof that he is an upgrade over ANYONE at NT. And if nothing else, Sopoaga doesn't cost anywhere close to DRob's $7.6M salary for 2008 alone. DRob may not be the worst DT in the league, but the guy just isn't good enough to justify that kind of cap space (almost $10M when his SB is factored in) & never has been other than a random good game here & there.

oh so effortlessly!!! the guy slants out of the play that's not the same as getting pushed aside.

Sopoaga is a barely starting NT on the league's 24th rank defense. Considering the COleman contract (a backup) the guy will probably cost about 8mil to sign - basically the same as Drob.

The thing about Drob is this isn't an addition by subtraction situation. the defense doesn't get better without him (unlike Vilma), it gets worse. He doesn't live up to the fans expectation but he's alot better than most of the alternatives.

the fans should figure out how to replace Pouha and then get that player to replace Drob not just replacing Drob and say it's all good after that. They don't even have a viable backup, the team should start there- cause they aren't finding a starter in the first 2 rounds of the draft, at least not this year.

as for the cap hit im not opposed to extending this player. He's got value. People don't want to hear that but there it is.

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the Steelers will franchise him again, and if they don't that means he's done. the Kimo situation should have taught us all, you don't sign a player the Steelers give up on. they are the best when it comes to getting rid of guys who are done. I repeat - if they don't franchise faneca, we don't want him.

oh so effortlessly!!! the guy slants out of the play that's not the same as getting pushed aside.

Sopoaga is a barely starting NT on the league's 24th rank defense. Considering the COleman contract (a backup) the guy will probably cost about 8mil to sign - basically the same as Drob.

The thing about Drob is this isn't an addition by subtraction situation. the defense doesn't get better without him (unlike Vilma), it gets worse. He doesn't live up to the fans expectation but he's alot better than most of the alternatives.

the fans should figure out how to replace Pouha and then get that player to replace Drob not just replacing Drob and say it's all good after that. They don't even have a viable backup, the team should start there- cause they aren't finding a starter in the first 2 rounds of the draft, at least not this year.

as for the cap hit im not opposed to extending this player. He's got value. People don't want to hear that but there it is.

you go girl!

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the Steelers will franchise him again, and if they don't that means he's done. the Kimo situation should have taught us all, you don't sign a player the Steelers give up on. they are the best when it comes to getting rid of guys who are done. I repeat - if they don't franchise faneca, we don't want him.

oh so effortlessly!!! the guy slants out of the play that's not the same as getting pushed aside.

Sopoaga is a barely starting NT on the league's 24th rank defense. Considering the COleman contract (a backup) the guy will probably cost about 8mil to sign - basically the same as Drob.

The thing about Drob is this isn't an addition by subtraction situation. the defense doesn't get better without him (unlike Vilma), it gets worse. He doesn't live up to the fans expectation but he's alot better than most of the alternatives.

the fans should figure out how to replace Pouha and then get that player to replace Drob not just replacing Drob and say it's all good after that. They don't even have a viable backup, the team should start there- cause they aren't finding a starter in the first 2 rounds of the draft, at least not this year.

as for the cap hit im not opposed to extending this player. He's got value. People don't want to hear that but there it is.

1. I never advocated Sopoaga as a starting NT. Agreed he can't break into the starting lineup on a LOUSY line. I don't see him as any different than our version of Pouha. But that doesn't mean DRob is worth keeping around at that ungodly salary & cap #.

2. Faneca was not franchised in 2007; I don't know where you got that from. He is in the last year of his 2003 contract. Otherwise his 2007 salary would be a hell of a lot more than $3.375M as a franchise player.

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1. I never advocated Sopoaga as a starting NT. Agreed he can't break into the starting lineup on a LOUSY line. I don't see him as any different than our version of Pouha. But that doesn't mean DRob is worth keeping around at that ungodly salary & cap #.

2. Faneca was not franchised in 2007; I don't know where you got that from. He is in the last year of his 2003 contract. Otherwise his 2007 salary would be a hell of a lot more than $3.375M as a franchise player.

jets wont sign faneca though

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1. I never advocated Sopoaga as a starting NT. Agreed he can't break into the starting lineup on a LOUSY line. I don't see him as any different than our version of Pouha. But that doesn't mean DRob is worth keeping around at that ungodly salary & cap #.

the defense gets worse, not better without Drob. I am not in favor of just cutting Drob and Pouha and hoping for the best, there should be a replacement for at least Pouha before they cut Drob

2. Faneca was not franchised in 2007; I don't know where you got that from. He is in the last year of his 2003 contract. Otherwise his 2007 salary would be a hell of a lot more than $3.375M as a franchise player.

fair enough but I stand by my original point - don't take a steelers cast off... never ever ever! they are the kings of knowing when to let go of a player.

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the defense gets worse, not better without Drob. I am not in favor of just cutting Drob and Pouha and hoping for the best, there should be a replacement for at least Pouha before they cut Drob

I don't see how you can say that. He's a lousy NT. At best, you can argue that some replacement MIGHT be worse. But the flip-side of that is we have another $7-8M to spend on defense elsewhere. Dewayne Robertson at NT is not the keystone that holds a good defense together.

He's not worth the cap space. Those dollars would be better spent elsewhere. Last year he was less than mediocre but not the worst thing I've ever seen as far as 3-4 NT's. This year he's much, much worse than that. He doesn't even draw double-teams. Even if he was BAD but still drew double-teams that would be something. He's bad & offenses don't need to commit more than 1 lineman to him. The second lineman he's supposed to occupy is engaging our linebackers.

Given that, and given how his presence takes up the space that could be used for a superstar free-agent elsewhere, I would take my chances with "a body" at NT. I see no reason to cut Pouha yet since he makes dick in salary & is under contract for one more year.

Not to get totally argumentative here - I asked you something in another thread that maybe you didn't see. Have you ever watched Raji play (obviously before 2007)? I have not & wanted your opinion on him. All I know about him is his physical size, but that doesn't make him any good on its own. Morton as well. But he sounds like Pouha II to me. And again, I haven't seen him play.

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the defense gets worse, not better without Drob. I am not in favor of just cutting Drob and Pouha and hoping for the best, there should be a replacement for at least Pouha before they cut Drob

fair enough but I stand by my original point - don't take a steelers cast off... never ever ever! they are the kings of knowing when to let go of a player.

UMMMMMMMM

How bad can this D get? I'm surprised Mosley hasn't started yet

We are at rock bottom

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Believe it or not, Chad should get them higher than a 5th rounder. QUOTE]

I agree Fuel-considering AJ Feeley cost the Fins a second rounder a guy who has actually started and won games should procure a second rounder IMO or he prolly stays right where he is

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I think one of the reasons Chad was benched was so not to drive his value down any further than it has already gone. I can see teams looking at the 2007 Jets season as an aberration and knowledgeable football scouts would see that Chad wasn't THE main problem, understanding how he was forced to play catch-up even with a lead-I've never seen anything like it before in pro football-I truly believe a 2nd rounder is not out of the question SE

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Minnesota is more than a pefect fit for him. In doors, great running back, great run defense, and they are realizing they need a legit QB so they will more than likely draft one early this year.

Once they have their new QB they are not going to want to tank the 08 season and know they can compete in the NFC north with Pennington. I don't doubt they cough up a second for him.

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two points

1) i don't see how Isaac Sopoaga is an upgrade over DRob.

2) for the rebuttals - Chris Long was born to play in the 3-4 and Alan Faneca is not on the market.

Really? You mean the Alan Faneca who becomes a Free Agent at the end of this season?

Oh and at 280lbs, remind me how that fits into a 34? 20lbs light for an DE, 20lbs heavy for an OLB.

Sopoaga > Robertson, but there isn't too much of a difference, I would have to agree there.

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Oh and at 280lbs, remind me how that fits into a 34? 20lbs light for an DE, 20lbs heavy for an OLB.

when it comes to weight that's basically the least of anyone's concerns on draft day. if a guy has speed, quick, explosion, aggression, pedigree, heart, motor, and everything else you want, his weight should be the least concerning aspect.

don't forget, Amobi Okoye stepped on a scale in Mobile in Jan and it read 287, he showed up to the combine a month later at 312. weight can fluctuate for these players.

in general the perfect 3-4 DE is an undersized 4-3 DT. for example Shaun Ellis was the same listed weight as Long.

bottom line until Chris Long steps on a scale and it reads 280 he's not 280.

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when it comes to weight that's basically the least of anyone's concerns on draft day. if a guy has speed, quick, explosion, aggression, pedigree, heart, motor, and everything else you want, his weight should be the least concerning aspect.

don't forget, Amobi Okoye stepped on a scale in Mobile in Jan and it read 287, he showed up to the combine a month later at 312. weight can fluctuate for these players.

in general the perfect 3-4 DE is an undersized 4-3 DT. for example Shaun Ellis was the same listed weight as Long.

bottom line until Chris Long steps on a scale and it reads 280 he's not 280.

he doesnot have those long arms you covet at that position

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