NIGHT STALKER Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 The Yanks have said they are off limits...so far. Would you be willing to trade Wang? Or do you consider him in the "untouchable" catagory...personally, I never cared for him (even before his performance in the playoffs)...I would send this guy packing if I could get an everyday player in return. As I've stated in the past, most Asian pitchers don't pan out as stars...Nomo (if you consider him a star) has had the most success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 The Yanks have said they are off limits...so far. Would you be willing to trade Wang? Or do you consider him in the "untouchable" catagory...personally, I never cared for him (even before his performance in the playoffs)...I would send this guy packing if I could get an everyday player in return. As I've stated in the past, most Asian pitchers don't pan out as stars...Nomo (if you consider him a star) has had the most success. Dealing a guy making league minimum who has posted a sub 4.00 ERA two years in a row is insane IMO. The guy has been great since coming to the Yankees. Got them their only post season win last year. I don't deal the guy because he had a bad week in a 2 1/2 year span. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 The Yanks have said they are off limits...so far. Would you be willing to trade Wang? Or do you consider him in the "untouchable" catagory...personally, I never cared for him (even before his performance in the playoffs)...I would send this guy packing if I could get an everyday player in return. As I've stated in the past, most Asian pitchers don't pan out as stars...Nomo (if you consider him a star) has had the most success. his sinker is unhittable if he keeps it down. he is a power pitcher with great stuff. i say he is untouchable to an extent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted November 9, 2007 Author Share Posted November 9, 2007 Dealing a guy making league minimum who has posted a sub 4.00 ERA two years in a row is insane IMO. The guy has been great since coming to the Yankees. Got them their only post season win last year. I don't deal the guy because he had a bad week in a 2 1/2 year span. As I said in my post, it's not the playoffs that influenced my decision on this guy...it's the history of Asian pitchers...some are above average for a few years and then they fade into the sunset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 As I said in my post, it's not the playoffs that influenced my decision on this guy...it's the history of Asian pitchers...some are above average for a few years and then they fade into the sunset. I can see where you're coming from but in 2 1/2 seasons Wang has shown no signs of slowing down. Most Asian pitchers get progressively worse pretty quickly. He's been damn good for too long to give up on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 As I said in my post, it's not the playoffs that influenced my decision on this guy...it's the history of Asian pitchers...some are above average for a few years and then they fade into the sunset. the only pitcher on the yankee roster with better stuff than wang is hughes and he is not as experienced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 I like Wang alot but for the right deal I would consider moving him. Right that deal would be I don't know at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 I like Wang alot but for the right deal I would consider moving him. Right that deal would be I don't know at this time. WANG for Albert Pujols straight up lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Dealing a guy making league minimum who has posted a sub 4.00 ERA two years in a row is insane IMO. The guy has been great since coming to the Yankees. Got them their only post season win last year. I don't deal the guy because he had a bad week in a 2 1/2 year span. Agree. Let's see the list of guys who have won 38 games the past two seasons......another case of some Yankee fans dismissing the regular season. Wang when off is very hittable as I think Troll mentioned during spring training but when on and with the Yanks payroll induced offense he's a keeper unless you are bringing back a Santana, Oswalt or Peavy etc. Wang should score a decent paycheck as I believe he is arbitration eligible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 the only pitcher on the yankee roster with better stuff than wang is hughes and he is not as experienced Chamberlain has better stuff as well....maybe the best in the organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Chamberlain has better stuff as well....maybe the best in the organization. i dont know if it's better than WANG's sinker. wang is the best sinker pitcher in MLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 i dont know if it's better than WANG's sinker. wang is the best sinker pitcher in MLB I would say that Derek Lowe gives him a run for the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 I would say that Derek Lowe gives him a run for the money. derek lowe's sinker is different than what wang throws. because wang throws a heavy sinker, and nobody can hit that as long as it stays down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 his sinker is unhittable if he keeps it down. he is a power pitcher with great stuff. i say he is untouchable to an extent I wouldn't go as far as to say Wang is a "power pitcher." He does throw hard, but his K/9 isn't really power pitcher material. That said, if they could get something they need out of him and let the young guys go wild in the rotation, they'd be stupid not to. I think though you have to keep him around another season to see if your young guys are for real and as advertised for a full season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 i dont know if it's better than WANG's sinker. wang is the best sinker pitcher in MLB Brandon Webb would get my vote. Plus Chamberlain doesn't need to rely on one pitch. Wang does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Brandon Webb would get my vote. Plus Chamberlain doesn't need to rely on one pitch. Wang does. Yup on Brandon Webb. He is more obvious than Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 derek lowe's sinker is different than what wang throws. because wang throws a heavy sinker, and nobody can hit that as long as it stays down Most sinker's are going to be "heavy". That is the definition of a sinker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Brandon Webb would get my vote. Plus Chamberlain doesn't need to rely on one pitch. Wang does. wang added a slider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 wang added a slider I like Wang, don't get me wrong....I just think Chamberlain is going to be incredible. Very early to make that statement but he sure showed some filthy stuff this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 i dont know if it's better than WANG's sinker. wang is the best sinker pitcher in MLB Brandon Webb is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 I like Wang, don't get me wrong....I just think Chamberlain is going to be incredible. Very early to make that statement but he sure showed some filthy stuff this season. chamberlain was incredible in relief but starting is a whole another ball game. so im sorry if i dont annoint him as a HOF yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 I like Wang, don't get me wrong.... MMhmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 chamberlain was incredible in relief but starting is a whole another ball game. so im sorry if i dont annoint him as a HOF yet He spent 3/4 of the season starting in the minors with a ERA in the two's and a great WHIP. I would have traded him for Texeira and at this point, I would have made a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 the only pitcher on the yankee roster with better stuff than wang is hughes and he is not as experienced Chamberlain has the best "stuff" on the roster. If he ends up being as good a pitcher as Hughes, that remains to be seen. But a 98 mph fastball followed up by a 89 mph slider that will buckle your knees. Doesn't get much better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Chamberlain has the best "stuff" on the roster. If he ends up being as good a pitcher as Hughes, that remains to be seen. But a 98 mph fastball followed up by a 89 mph slider that will buckle your knees. Doesn't get much better than that. brad penny can throw 100+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 brad penny can throw 100+ Yep and he just went 16-4 while his ERA didn't rise above 3 until his final start of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Yep and he just went 16-4 while his ERA didn't rise above 3 until his final start of the season. in NL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 in NL How did Barry Zito do in his first year in the NL? Yup, worse than the AL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 How did Barry Zito do in his first year in the NL? Yup, worse than the AL. bary zito is not a power pitcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 bary zito is not a power pitcher Remember Penny's All-Star appearance? LA right-hander Brad Penny set the tone for the National League's staff after striking out Ichiro Suzuki, Derek Jeter and David Ortiz in the first inning, with nothing but blazing fastballs registering on the radar at 99 mph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 bary zito is not a power pitcher Trying to understand your point then. What is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Remember Penny's All-Star appearance? LA right-hander Brad Penny set the tone for the National League's staff after striking out Ichiro Suzuki, Derek Jeter and David Ortiz in the first inning, with nothing but blazing fastballs registering on the radar at 99 mph. and he got shalacked in the 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Trying to understand your point then. What is it? zito relys more on his location because he doesnot have overpowering "stuff" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 zito relys more on his location because he doesnot have overpowering "stuff" How does that relate to NL vs AL? They both have the same sized plate. What is your overall premise here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 How does that relate to NL vs AL? They both have the same sized plate. What is your overall premise here? if his location is off he would get burned nl/al whatteva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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