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The great Matt Clement has a career era of 4.25

Carl Pavano has a career era of 4.26

Troll, you cannot count either pitchers 2005 era in this discussion. Wait till the end of the season and I bet Pavano will have proven his worth and statistically come close to Clements era.

The thing where you're wrong is you said Clement was ALWAYS BETTER than Carl Pavano..........YOU ARE DEAD WRONG.

How was Clement possibly better than Pavano last season?

2004

Carl Pavano

222.1 innings pitched

49 walks

139 strikeouts

3.00 era

Matt Clement

181 innings pitched

77 walks

190 strikeouts

3.68 era

Clement has yet to record a season in which he pitches over 200 innings with an era under 4.

So tell me troll, how Pavano wasn't better than Clement last season?? I mean, you said Clement was ALWAYS better than Pavano.............. [-X

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The Troll makes a good point, and this is a reason I always distrusted Pavano while grudgingly accepting the notion that he was the #1 FA on the market..... he was basically a one year wonder with enough pedigree that everyone went ga ga over him when he had a good year.

Clement meanwhile has had the "great stuff but can't quite put it together" label for awhile.... and while he's been enduring that he's quietly been a reliable and very good pitcher for a while now. Not a #1 guy, but a d*** fine #3 and a solid #2.... you can't say the same of Pavano for more than one of the last 4 years (including this one.

Pavano in 2003 had over 200 innings pitched with a 4.3 era. Not great numbers, but until Clement did well this year, those would be just about what you got from Clement in 2003. So you're wrong, Pavano a solid season in 2003 and a great season in 2004.

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The Troll makes a good point, and this is a reason I always distrusted Pavano while grudgingly accepting the notion that he was the #1 FA on the market..... he was basically a one year wonder with enough pedigree that everyone went ga ga over him when he had a good year.

Clement meanwhile has had the "great stuff but can't quite put it together" label for awhile.... and while he's been enduring that he's quietly been a reliable and very good pitcher for a while now. Not a #1 guy, but a d*** fine #3 and a solid #2.... you can't say the same of Pavano for more than one of the last 4 years (including this one.

Pavano in 2003 had over 200 innings pitched with a 4.3 era. Not great numbers, but until Clement did well this year, those would be just about what you got from Clement in 2003. So you're wrong, Pavano a solid season in 2003 and a great season in 2004.

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The great Matt Clement has a career era of 4.25

Carl Pavano has a career era of 4.26

Troll, you cannot count either pitchers 2005 era in this discussion. Wait till the end of the season and I bet Pavano will have proven his worth and statistically come close to Clements era.

The thing where you're wrong is you said Clement was ALWAYS BETTER than Carl Pavano..........YOU ARE DEAD WRONG.

How was Clement possibly better than Pavano last season?

2004

Carl Pavano

222.1 innings pitched

49 walks

139 strikeouts

3.00 era

Matt Clement

181 innings pitched

77 walks

190 strikeouts

3.68 era

Clement has yet to record a season in which he pitches over 200 innings with an era under 4.

So tell me troll, how Pavano wasn't better than Clement last season?? I mean, you said Clement was ALWAYS better than Pavano.............. [-X

Ok, so THIS is the so-called whoopin' stick?

First of all, I didn't even mention their ERA's from this year. I posted their ERA's from 2002, 2003, and 2004. Clement's ERA was better in every year except for 2004, which is the only season besides 2000 (in which Pavano started for under half a season) that Pavano's ERA has been under 4.

Yeah, Pavano was better last year. Why? Because he had a career year! Going into last year, would you have taken Bill Mueller on your team instead of Mike Lowell?

The most noteworthy thing Pavano will ever do in his career is get traded for Pedro Martinez.

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The great Matt Clement has a career era of 4.25

Carl Pavano has a career era of 4.26

Troll, you cannot count either pitchers 2005 era in this discussion. Wait till the end of the season and I bet Pavano will have proven his worth and statistically come close to Clements era.

The thing where you're wrong is you said Clement was ALWAYS BETTER than Carl Pavano..........YOU ARE DEAD WRONG.

How was Clement possibly better than Pavano last season?

2004

Carl Pavano

222.1 innings pitched

49 walks

139 strikeouts

3.00 era

Matt Clement

181 innings pitched

77 walks

190 strikeouts

3.68 era

Clement has yet to record a season in which he pitches over 200 innings with an era under 4.

So tell me troll, how Pavano wasn't better than Clement last season?? I mean, you said Clement was ALWAYS better than Pavano.............. [-X

Ok, so THIS is the so-called whoopin' stick?

First of all, I didn't even mention their ERA's from this year. I posted their ERA's from 2002, 2003, and 2004. Clement's ERA was better in every year except for 2004, which is the only season besides 2000 (in which Pavano started for under half a season) that Pavano's ERA has been under 4.

Yeah, Pavano was better last year. Why? Because he had a career year! Going into last year, would you have taken Bill Mueller on your team instead of Mike Lowell?

The most noteworthy thing Pavano will ever do in his career is get traded for Pedro Martinez.

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You're missing the point, troll.

All I am arguing because you said Clement was ALWAYS better than Pavano. Those were your words. And Pavano was far and away the better pitcher last season, so Clement was not ALWAYS better than Pavano.

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You're missing the point, troll.

All I am arguing because you said Clement was ALWAYS better than Pavano. Those were your words. And Pavano was far and away the better pitcher last season, so Clement was not ALWAYS better than Pavano.

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You're missing the point, troll.

All I am arguing because you said Clement was ALWAYS better than Pavano. Those were your words. And Pavano was far and away the better pitcher last season, so Clement was not ALWAYS better than Pavano.

Fine, you got me on one little word that I said. Pavano was better last year.

But, that's not helping the Yankees now, is it? Who's better this year? Who has been better for the past five years?

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You're missing the point, troll.

All I am arguing because you said Clement was ALWAYS better than Pavano. Those were your words. And Pavano was far and away the better pitcher last season, so Clement was not ALWAYS better than Pavano.

Fine, you got me on one little word that I said. Pavano was better last year.

But, that's not helping the Yankees now, is it? Who's better this year? Who has been better for the past five years?

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Fine, you got me on one little word that I said. Pavano was better last year.

But, that's not helping the Yankees now, is it? Who's better this year? Who has been better for the past five years?

Ok then, so I win! :win:

But seriously. Clement has been a big time underachiever his entire career to this point. His last 5 years are nothing special either.

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Fine, you got me on one little word that I said. Pavano was better last year.

But, that's not helping the Yankees now, is it? Who's better this year? Who has been better for the past five years?

Ok then, so I win! :win:

But seriously. Clement has been a big time underachiever his entire career to this point. His last 5 years are nothing special either.

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