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I haven't really had a chance to see him play that much. I hear he has some talent and is good, but are they looking at him for a top pick or later rounds? I don't see him as a first round pick, but I could be wrong.

not only is he a first round pick, he will be in the top 10, baring injury or a complete meltdown at the combine.

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How does that work?

It seems he was born in 1985.. That would make him 22, not 26. I've seen one game and then highlights... I'm not sold on him being a top 5 pick. But like I said, I haven't watched every game...

Then again, how many people have watched every college football game on here? I doubt people watched every Michigan game or Ohio State game or LSU game.. And i bet more than half the people who live on the east coast don't watch most of the Pac 10 or WAC games yet make assumptions based off of highlights.

I've watched enough Michigan games to know Jake Long isn't a guy I'd want to take with the top 5 pick. As far as Chris Long, I don't know.... I'm not sold but I'm biased cause I 'd rather they take McFadden at this point..... I could be wrong about Chris Long cause I haven't watched him every week, but who knows.

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If the Jets have a top 5 pick, I'd rather they take somebody who is making some headlines. A player who seems to be one of the best in the country. There are quite a few players I haven't seen much, but at least I get a feeling of what they might become.. With Howie's son, I haven't heard that much on why somebody would take him with a top 5 pick.

And taking a guy who might be a stretch at 4 isn't exactly a good move.

You said you didn't see him as a 1st rd pick..you didn't mention the Jets or them taking him.

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You said you didn't see him as a 1st rd pick..you didn't mention the Jets or them taking him.

Sorry I was editing my post as you wrote yours... The way it seems, he probably is a first round pick... I just don't think he's a top 5 pick, but like I said, I've only seen one game and highlights of him.

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I read somewhere he is 26 years old?

March 28, 1985. He's 22 and will be 23 during his rookie season. It's not too hard to look this **** up. I can't wait until the draft talk starts and somebody starts spouting as fact that Long is too old. If enough people here jump on that bandwagon I might end up believing it myself.

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Sure he can. Sione Pouha was drafted at age 25 and Chris Weinke was drafted at age 28 or 29. Some guys don't go to college right away or get injured and are given 6 years.

Keyshawn was 24 or 25 when the Jets drafted him. some of these guys aren't that smart and it takes longer for some to get an edjumacation.

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See, it's happening already. People are explaining how Chris Long can be 26. He could be, but he's not. He's 22. I can't wait until these posts are quoted in April.

I didn't mean Long (He's 22 damnit!). I meant that some other players have been drafted when they were in there mid 20's.

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I didn't mean Long (He's 22 damnit!). I meant that some other players have been drafted when they were in there mid 20's.

I know what you meant. Damnit! ;)

Just saying this will drag on and people will think he's another Pouha. Many players get hurt, red shirt, transfer and sit a year so they graduate late. Others go to missionary schools and go on a mission for a year delaying their graduation date, like Pouha. I don't think too many of these guys are at the very top of the draft, there is too much money to be made there to dick around for a year.

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I know what you meant. Damnit! ;)

Just saying this will drag on and people will think he's another Pouha. Many players get hurt, red shirt, transfer and sit a year so they graduate late. Others go to missionary schools and go on a mission for a year delaying their graduation date, like Pouha. I don't think too many of these guys are at the very top of the draft, there is too much money to be made there to dick around for a year.

Not too many. I'm sure there are others before these guys, but in the past 5 drafts:

Terence Newman (#5 overall) was a 25 year-old rookie

Gaines Adams (#4 overall) is a 24 year-old rookie

Eli Manning (#1 overall) turned 24 at the end of his rookie season

Robert Gallery (#2 overall) was a 24 year-old rookie

But I agree with you: since Long is too old we should not draft him with a top-5 pick.

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Not too many. I'm sure there are others before these guys, but in the past 5 drafts:

Terence Newman (#5 overall) was a 25 year-old rookie

Gaines Adams (#4 overall) is a 24 year-old rookie

Eli Manning (#1 overall) turned 24 at the end of his rookie season

Robert Gallery (#2 overall) was a 24 year-old rookie

But I agree with you: since Long is too old we should not draft him with a top-5 pick.

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He's a great college player, but the only way I draft him if I am the Jets is if he shows in workouts that he is athletic enough to not be a liability in pass coverage as a 3-4 OLB.

Either that or we are switching back to the 4-3 defense. Since we are likely not going to switch back to the 4-3, Long would need to prove at the workouts that he is athletic enough to cover TEs and RBs in the 3-4 OLB spot.

If he proves he can play 3-4 OLB then by all means draft him, because he goes 200%, 100% of the time, and he's an excellent pass rusher (and he's shown he can rush from the 3-4 OLB spot too, as he's done it in UVA games). I've never seen him drop back into coverage though, so he still has to prove he can do that.

He will not be a great fulltime 3-4 defensive end in the NFL unless he can bulk up to 300+, which isnt happening. We should not draft him to play exclusively at the 3-4 DE spot. That would be a huge mistake I think.

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This guy might be the exception Barton

He is that good, and with that type of character...might have to give it a shot if he is there for us

Dude, his # was retired yesterday....the University didn't want him to wait to get the accolades

Special kid

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This guy might be the exception Barton

He is that good, and with that type of character...might have to give it a shot if he is there for us

Dude, his # was retired yesterday....the University didn't want him to wait to get the accolades

Special kid

I dont see the Jets passing on him either, JonE. Whether thats a good thing or not, I'm not sure. It depends on how they would use him in their defense. Maybe he can be a huge 3-4 OLB and occasional 3-4 DE like McGinest was in certain situations. And of course a 4-3 DE when we go to that front.

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I see him as a very Aaron kampman type player. He will give 100% every down and be effective vs both the run and the pass. I'm pretty sure we could fit him into our system as he's the kind of player that can adjust and will work hard to make it happen. I like him, alot. But if like Barton says we switch back to a 4-3 D, then we need to really push for Glenn Dorsey, he is a beast.

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I dont see the Jets passing on him either, JonE. Whether thats a good thing or not, I'm not sure. It depends on how they would use him in their defense. Maybe he can be a huge 3-4 OLB and occasional 3-4 DE like McGinest was in certain situations. And of course a 4-3 DE when we go to that front.

If the Jets draft him, that is exactly how they would use him.

He is a good, hard working, intelligent player. Very versatile, and fits the Mangini mold.

He is some what of a tweener. Question is, will he be GREAT at any of the positions he can play to warrant a top 5 pick

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The only way the Jets should select Long is if Mangini plans to switch back to the 43. He is a complete waste of a selection in the 34 defense.

I completely agree.

But if you don't want Long and you don't want McFadden, and you obviously don't want a QB, who the hell do you want?

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I completely agree.

But if you don't want Long and you don't want McFadden, and you obviously don't want a QB, who the hell do you want?

I want a trade down.

Jake Long would be nice at Right Tackle but this place would go f'ing crazy if they did that and so would the entire fan base and I don't think they'll go Offensive Line that high again, but you never know. I'd prefer to trade down and take Quentin Groves of Auburn (6'4, 260) pass rushing specialist. Then I'd go for the best LG or RT out there if we don't address those spots with premier free agents.

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I want a trade down.

Jake Long would be nice at Right Tackle but this place would go f'ing crazy if they did that and so would the entire fan base and I don't think they'll go Offensive Line that high again, but you never know. I'd prefer to trade down and take Quentin Groves of Auburn (6'4, 260) pass rushing specialist. Then I'd go for the best LG or RT out there if we don't address those spots with premier free agents.

The only way I'd want a trade down is if they got something ridiculous in return. AKA what the Chargers got for Eli Manning a few years back.

Otherwise, trading say the 4th pick for the 13th and a second rounder would be a waste.

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I completely agree.

But if you don't want Long and you don't want McFadden, and you obviously don't want a QB, who the hell do you want?

I havent seen any of them play too much to form a definite opinion, but heading into the combine, I'd pay attention to Long, Long and Dorsey.

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Dorsey is not a fit in the 3-4.

Tangina may think so, seeing how they are going with guys like Pouha, Mosley and D-Rob, and passed on big fat guys like Grady Anderson.

I'd definitely give him a look at the combine, but I'd be okay with the OT Long. Just NO skill position players. This team needs major help on the LOS.

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