Billy Beane's a crackhead

[stormshadow19]

Clemens was traded for David Wells, homer bush and maybe ricky ledee?

Before you knock that, Wells won 20 games as a bluejay.

Look at those red sox, completely raping the dbacks for curt schilling. I think the dbacks owner perposely let them so he could say "F you steinbrenner". The dbacks were asking for nick johnson and alfonso soriano for curt schilling. Meanwhile the sox trade a bunch of spare parts with no real upside for him.

So... is this a thread about how the Sox are playing the system, or how the yanks are playing the system, or how Billy Beane isn't going to give away a player that the Yankees want, just because they're the Yankees?

FYI kid, just because you're a Yankees fan, and they're the Yankees, does not mean they're entitled to anything they want.

[Barton]

So... is this a thread about how the Sox are playing the system, or how the yanks are playing the system, or how Billy Beane isn't going to give away a player that the Yankees want, just because they're the Yankees?

FYI kid, just because you're a Yankees fan, and they're the Yankees, does not mean they're entitled to anything they want.

No sh*t sherlock. But the Yankees aren't gonna give him the time of day if he asks for our top 2 prospects and a future star in Cano.

Billy Beane is on crack if he actually thought there was a chance the Yankees would pull the trigger on the lopsided deal, THAT WAS MY POINT ss.

[stormshadow19]

No Sh#t sherlock. But the Yankees aren't gonna give him the time of day if he asks for our top 2 prospects and a future star in Cano.

Billy Beane is on crack if he actually thought there was a chance the Yankees would pull the trigger on the lopsided deal, THAT WAS MY POINT ss.

So... you expect Billy Beane not to bend the Yankees over the barrell, especially when the A's are turning their season around? You expect him to just give away the player in question?

Of course he's going to ask for what the Yankees got! He'd be stupid not to! And, if the Yankees don't meet his demands, they don't get Kotsay. What Beane did isn't being a crackhead. It's called being smart. The Yankees are desperate for any kind of spark they can get, espeically in that outfield. Everyone knows it. And, they're not going to get it cheap.

So, just to sum this up, chump, Beane isn't a crackhead. He's smart! No one is going to help the Yankees out. Not one soul. You're going to have to overpay to get anyone.

[Barton]

^^^

I know, of course Beane should start real high. Thats just good common sense as a GM, thats what they do. They're flexible from what I hear.

Billy Beane does really smock crack though. My sisters boyfriends nephews uncle had a friend who knew somebody that saw Beane lighting up in the VP bathrooms at a seattle vs oakland game last year.

Stuff like thats gotta be true!

[stormshadow19]

I think there's someone on crack... and it ain't Billy.

[Barton]

I think there's someone on crack... and it ain't Billy.

whats that supposed to mean!! HUH!!? HUH!!??

Are you implying that my sisters boyfriends nephews uncle that has a friend who knew somebody that saw Beane lighting up in the VP bathrooms at a seattle vs oakland game last year IS A LIAR!!

[stormshadow19]

whats that supposed to mean!! HUH!!? HUH!!??

Are you implying that my sisters boyfriends nephews uncle that has a friend who knew somebody that saw Beane lighting up in the VP bathrooms at a seattle vs oakland game last year IS A LIAR!!

Or someone has a bit too much pent up energy and needs to either get out or look at some porn.

[LionelRichie]

whats that supposed to mean!! HUH!!? HUH!!??

Are you implying that my sisters boyfriends nephews uncle that has a friend who knew somebody that saw Beane lighting up in the VP bathrooms at a seattle vs oakland game last year IS A LIAR!!

EB - didn't you say you were leaving about 3 months ago? what happened to that?

[Jet/BosoxFan]

I'm trying to decide if this is just the dumbest thread ever created on this board...or the dumbest thread ever created, Period! And its so un-readable because it contains so much EB50-content!!! I finally have to break down and add my 2 cents because this is getting ridiculous! Let me try to end all the nonsense.

Here are the list of people who feel that Billy Beane is one of the best GMs in baseball:

Me, the other posters on this thread, every single baseball expert in the media, 99% of people who watch baseball in the free world.

Here is the list of people who think Billy Beane is stupid:

EB50

Need I say more? OK, fine I will...The Yankees have FLEECED the baseball universe for years! You hear me EB...I said they have fleeced everyone and everything for years! Even the most ardent Yankee lover knows this to be true and will admit it if he or she has an ounce of credibility. In fact, the Yankees got too carried away with it and fleeced themselves!!!

Here is my case:

1. Roberto Kelly to the Reds for Paul O'Neil

2. Whatshisname Wiggins to Toronto for Raul Mondesi. I know Raul sucked as a Yankee, but this was a very egregious move at the time

3. The Yankees really gave up nothing for Jeff Weaver! Ted Lilly sucked as a Yankee the way he sucks now against everyone except Boston. Detroit just didnt want to pay him $6 million left on his contract.

4. The A-rod deal was a fleece job too. Soriano isnt in A-hole's league and he never will be. It was simply the biggest salary dump in the history of baseball. Actually, it was more than that. A-hole has proven to be an anchor to his team wherver he has been! Hicks gladly moved him to NY, and now look at Texas...and NY for that matter

5. The Knoblauch trade was another fleece job. I know they gave up Milton (he was marginal at best) and Guzman (good player) but the Twins didnt want to pay Knobby like $8 mil per year.

6. Tino and Jeff Nelson to NY for Sterling Hitchcock!!!!!

7. Speaking of Hitch...he was then given back to NYY for future HOFer Darren Blakely!!! And why? Because SD couldnt afford to pay him!

8. I dont care what you say, Wells and big goof Grahm Lloyd for Roger Dodger was a fleece job, although one fat malcontent for another seems fair on paper.

9. The '02 collective bargaining agreement was meant to stop the Yankees. PERIOD. The Revenue Sharing and Luxury Tax...that was meant to stop the Yankees and their raping and pillaging other teams of their players via free agency. Players like Johnson, Pavano, Sheffield, Matsui, Contreras, Mussina have come to the Yankees in recent years via outbidding everyone else. Yankee brought-ups like Jeter, Posada, Williams, Pettite, and Rivera all were free agents but in danger of going nowhere because of the free spending ways of NYY and all were key dynasty members. Other free agents brought in during the fake dynasty days: Tim Raines, Chili Davis, Crackhead Strawberry, El Duque, David Wells

10. Lastly, the Yankees have a sordid history of fleecing the rest of the baseball world. MLB had to institute a draft in 1964 in an effort to curtail the Yankees from robbing other teams of their local talent as they had been doing since the beginning of time. Again, no laws (other than a gentlemen's agreement) were broken, but you see the pattern here?

[stormshadow19]

I guess this means I was right. Woohoo!

[Matt39]

Sorry, but Barton completely won this argument.

Fleecing people with trades?? This is pathetic. It takes two sides to be involved in a trade the last time I checked. Barton came with straight facts and none of his questions were answered.

Now, the Roberto Kelly trade(which happened how long ago?) anyway Hal Morris was involved in that deal as well who was a pretty big prospect at the time. He did have a few good years with the Reds.

Raul Mondesi? Wow.

You say Arod was a fleece? It's not the Yankees fault Texas was looking to dump salary. They got the best hitting second baseman in return.

UGhh yeah, Eric Milton sucks now but he was HUGE pitching prospect at the time. Alot of people questioned the Knoblauch deal because everyone was expecting Milton to be great.

Ahh J/b conviently left out the fact that the Yanks gace up Hitchcock AND Russ Davis for Nelson and Tino. If memory serves, Russ Davis was another prize in the Yankee farm system.

[stormshadow19]

Who in the hell is Russ Davis? The only reason you think EB won the arguement, with his inane chatter, is because you're a Yankees fan. Take off the gray colored glasses and open your freakin eyes.

And, just for the record, Billy Beane is a smart GM. Which is why I win the arguement.

[Matt39]

Who in the hell is Russ Davis? The only reason you think EB won the arguement, with his inane chatter, is because you're a Yankees fan. Take off the gray colored glasses and open your freakin eyes.

And, just for the record, Billy Beane is a smart GM. Which is why I win the arguement.

Russ Davis had some pretty decent years for the Mariners.

And the fact you're holding the Yankees accountable for "fleecing" teams is ridiculous.

[stormshadow19]

Russ Davis had some pretty decent years for the Mariners.

And the fact you're holding the Yankees accountable for "fleecing" teams is ridiculous.

Why is it? Obviously, those who aren't under the George effect are seeing something that y'all just aren't.

Russ Davis is a nobody. A never was. Just keep bringing him up, and you have another example of a fleece.

And, EB thought that Beane should just give Kotsay to the Yankees, without having to give up anything. Which is plain wrong. And since he thought the price was too high, then he should just keep his mouth shut... and not keep going on and on and on about how Beane is stupid, because he actually wants something in return.

That's what it was all about. He thought the Yankees should fleece the A's, because he wanted Kotsay, and Beane had the audacity to ask for a package of prospects in return.

[Matt39]

I had no problem with how you felt about the Kotsay trade. Beane wasn't being stupid to ask for alot. He knew the Yanks were desperate for a CF.

But Cano, Wang and whoever it was in the minors for Mark freaking Kotsay? A marginal CF. That wasn't even a deal Scott Layden would make.

[stormshadow19]

I had no problem with how you felt about the Kotsay trade. Beane wasn't being stupid to ask for alot. He knew the Yanks were desperate for a CF.

But Cano, Wang and whoever it was in the minors for Mark freaking Kotsay? A marginal CF. That wasn't even a deal Scott Layden would make.

They're prospects. They may or may not pan out. And Kotsay is going to leave there anyway, so might as well try to get as much as possible.

And it's a deal Big George would make.

[Matt39]

They're prospects. They may or may not pan out. And Kotsay is going to leave there anyway, so might as well try to get as much as possible.

And it's a deal Big George would make.

George wants Damon. Mark it down.

[Matt39]

Wow, nevermind about the Hal Morris thing. He wasn't involved in the Oneill deal.

But anyway, take a look at Oneill's numbers in Cincinatti. They weren't spectacular by any means. The Yankees got lucky in that deal. Kelly had similar numbers to Oneill at the time of the trade. Luckily for the Yanks, Oneill turned into a 20-25 HR 100+ guy late in his career.

[Barton]

And, EB thought that Beane should just give Kotsay to the Yankees, without having to give up anything. Which is plain wrong.

WTF?!? Show me where I said that. All I was saying is Beane is a moron if he thinks the Yankees would actually wipe their ass with the faxed copy of this proposed trade from billy beane. yeah right

[Jetsfan80]

WTF?!? Show me where I said that. All I was saying is Beane is a moron if he thinks the Yankees would actually wipe their a$$ with the faxed copy of this proposed trade from billy beane. yeah right

So why keep bitching? Beane made an initial offer in an effort to rip the Yankees off and was denied. What does he care? It's the Yankees who are in desperate need for Kotsay, not the A's who are desperately trying to dump him.