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Wow... Curt Schilling needs to shut the **** up

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I'll admit there is some chance that everyone, including Papi, has probably using something. And that disheartens me greatly. The fact is though, we don't know and probably will never know every player who has used something. Clemens was on the list. And I do agree with what Schilling said. If he did it come clean. Pettitte already has, Clemens should too.

Come on man, you know damn well if Mitchell had a source in the Red Sox clubhouse like he did with the Yanks you wouldn't even be in this thread.

They should throw this entire Mitchell report out and start over again and have each club held accountable equally. As far as this fan is concerned, this report is INCOMPLETE.

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Schilling being a jerk doesn't make him wrong.

No, it doesn't make it wrong. What makes this wrong is that the "whistle blower(s)" to the Mitchell investigation were involved with a few club houses and not all...that's what makes this thing wrong. If you're going to do an investigation of this importance, let's not leave some stones unturned...it's been all half ass.

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The people callin g out Schilling in this thread really do not understand where he (and many other players who aren't vocalizing) are coming from.

Because baseball (and the players union included) have tried to sweep as much aas they can under the rug, not cooperate and look as everything as "in the past", EVERY player gets painted with the suspicious steroid drug.

And that is wrong.

Because of what Clemens, Bonds and others did, every accomplishment is viewed with skepticism. And that is just unfair.

And people want to villify Schilling because he vocalizes what he is feeling? We should wish that more players would do this, and not stand behind their guilty brethren.

I admire Schilling for his candor. I wish more players would be more vocal on this subject and castigate the guilty. It would bring sweeping reform much more quickly.

Scott, let me ask you something. Say you and I both used roids. You were listed in the Mitchell report because of some trainer in your locker room said you used them. Me, on the other hand are a user as well, the only thinkg is, Mitchell wasn't able to gain access to anyone in my locker room. Is that fair to you? This is the only thing I'm against in this entire report...it's from a select few locker rooms and not all 30 teams.

And to take it a step further, you know I'm a user and I'm flapping my gums criticizing the players who are listed in the report.

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You are making an assumption that Schilling is a user here.

If he is, shame on him for being the hypocrite, and that will catch up with him.

We all know that the list supplied is not complete. But, the players union and others chose not to cooperate. The Union does a disservice to teh INNOCNT players, by standing behind teh guilty ones.

Totally unfair. Bravo to CS for steeping out from behind the curtain and vocalizing what should be said by clean players.

Exactly...I am assuming Schilling is guilty as well because I heard the same things about him a couple of years ago that I heard about Clemens.

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ESPN.com news services

Updated: December 21, 2007, 1:16 PM ET

Two of Roger Clemens' teammates on the New York Yankees defended the embattled pitcher on Thursday, the same day his lawyer unleashed another attack on media reports linking the seven-time Cy Young Award winner with the use of performance-enhancing drugs.

Yankees captain Derek Jeter, speaking with reporters on Thursday before a holiday event for his charitable foundation, said the public should not rush to judgment on Clemens, who was named in the Mitchell report by his former strength trainer as having taken steroids and human growth hormone starting in the late 1990s.

"Seems like now people are rushing to judgment and I think you have to let it play out a little bit before you make your decision on whether he's guilty or not," Jeter said.

Asked if he stands by Clemens, Jeter said "Yeah. Rocket's always been a great teammate. I've said that time in and time out, that he's a great teammate. I didn't like him too much when I played against him because he has always been very competitive. But he's always been a great teammate."

Yankees reliever Joba Chamberlain, who had the locker next to Clemens last season in the Yankees clubhouse, also defended Clemens on Thursday.

"It's a question that's going to be brought up for a long time, but the man has been successful for so long, he's obviously doing something right," Chamberlain said during a visit to children undergoing treatment at Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York. "His work ethic has been shown, he does what he does, and he does it for a reason. He's been successful and that's why."

Meanwhile, Clemens' attorney, Rusty Hardin, blasted the media Thursday when it was revealed that a 2006 Los Angeles Times report linking Clemens to an affidavit listing several players alleged to have used performance-enhancing drugs was inaccurate. Clemens' name did not appear in the document, as was previously reported.

"When this grossly inaccurate story broke in October 2006, Roger said it was untrue and the Los Angeles Times chose not to believe him. As the record now clearly proves, Roger was telling the truth then, just as he continues to tell the truth today," Hardin said.

"Roger Clemens did not take steroids, and anybody who says he did had better start looking for a hell of a good lawyer."

Chamberlain said Clemens was a big influence on him in the clubhouse -- and that he'll be missed if he does not return next season.

"The work ethic the guys see makes them push themselves, but he's also a big kid when it comes down to it," Chamberlain said. "He's a funny guy, he keeps it light and knows how to switch gears between being serious and knowing when to go to work."

Former Yankees reliever Goose Gossage, though, was highly critical of Clemens, saying the Cy Young awards Clemens won in 1997, '98 and 2001 should be taken away.

"If Roger cheated, what do the numbers mean? They mean nothing," Gossage told the Bergen Record on Thursday. "Roger has always been a production, everything he's done has been a production. He's always wanted the attention. He's probably getting a lot more attention now than he ever wanted.

"With Clemens, you just shake your head and wonder how it all happened, how it came to this. I mean, why didn't the Red Sox re-sign him [after the 1996 season]? All of a sudden his numbers started getting crazy when he was supposed to be getting older.

"There's no way [those post-1996 Cy Young awards] can stand."

Jeter also said he has recently spoken with Andy Pettitte, who has acknowledged using HGH to recover from elbow injuries. Pettitte is a close friend of Clemens and used the same strength trainer, Brian McNamee.

"Me and Andy have had a great relationship throughout the years, whether he's here in New York or he's in Houston," Jeter said. "I've talked to Andy, Andy knows how I feel about him, he knows how we feel about him as an organization. It took a lot of courage for him to come out and be honest about it and hopefully he can move on."

After the affidavit was unsealed Thursday and the actual names were revealed, the Times apologized.

"We regret our report was inaccurate and will run a correction," Times spokesman Stephan Pechdimaldji said Thursday.

The correction, published Friday, said that the Times incorrectly reported that "an investigator alleged that pitcher Jason Grimsley named former teammates Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitte, Brian Roberts and Jay Gibbons as players linked to performance-enhancing drugs. In the affidavit, which was unsealed Thursday, Grimsley did not name those players."

The Times also said the report inaccurately reported that Grimsley had alleged Tejada had used steroids. "The only mention of Tejada in the affidavit was as part of a conversation with teammates about baseball's ban of amphetamines," the correction said.

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Yes, please tell us more Joba. Your 2 months experience in major league baseball will enlighten me to the plights and ills.

Scott, look at this way. Just because Joba hasn't been in the bigs that long means what? I think he knows Clemens quite well...how much time has Mitchell spent in the bigs...he's depending strictly on what someone said or saw...isn't that what everyone seems to be doing? How many failed drug tests did Roger take?

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WTF ?? What bothers YOU is the Red Sox won the World Series.

You know, I hope you don't clump all Yankee fans in with that post. It doesn't bother me at all the Sox have won two WS championships and the Yanks have won zero within that same time frame. Maybe to younger Yankees fans, but not this one. 13 championships in my lifetime for the Yanks...no team is going to catch that before your or I decide to move on.

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No Night Stalker, absolutely not. Anskyruben has a huge problem with Red Sox fans. When he had that fire this summer and didn't wany any Red Sox fan offering good luck wishes that spoke volumes. Yeah you and I HAVE been around quite a while and shared a lot of the same experiences but you're right... No team is going to duplicate that 13. All the best man. ;)

Here's the problem though (and it's the wrong forum as you pointed out to PFSIKH above), I don't think I'm going to live long enough to see the Jets win the big one.

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