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I am a golf addict, play 170 rds a year

Was able to play today with no pain in shoulder and 1 month of therapy on rotator cuff tear.:cheergal:

Shot a 81 and got an eagle today on 14th hole... not too shabby

considering i got to my folks out at 2am and I wasn't even sure i

could hit the ball without pain.

what's in my bag

irons- Mizuno MP 60's

driver- Taylor R7 Superquad

19 degree Sonartec Hybrid

Putter- Nickent Pipe

Ball- Pro V1

handicap= 8

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I'm a lousy golfer. Haven't played in two years.

In the bag:

irons - TaylorMade Burner Bubble Shafts

Driver: Callaway 10.5 degree something or other. I bought it, used, at a golf show for added loft.

3 & 5 metals - Wilson Payne Stewart model, from my first set of clubs.

SW & 60-degree wedge - I don't even remember.

Ball - like it matters. :)

Handicap - :rl:

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I generally play approx 30-40 rounds during the summer and play to a 13. I do alot of tinkering and make my own clubs and my bag is constantly changing but i feel my bag is set for the up comming season.

What is in the bag currently,

Driver: Clevland Comp 460 with Fuji speeder 652

Fairway: Tour Edge Exotics 4 wood & 7 wood w/ prolaunch Blue Fairway

Irons: Snake eyes 600c with tour concept

Wedge: Cleveland cg10 54 & 58 with project x

Putter: Never Compromise voodoo

Ball: Srixion URC

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taylormade ti bubble 2 woods

taylormade burner lcg irons

am thinking about a new driver. never had consistency with this one. bought the r80 and that is fine for all the other clubs but thinking about a stiff shaft for my driver. used to be very consistent with a steel shaft. want a taylormade but so many types to choose from. the superquad is just too damn expensive. the weighted only shape your shot up to 15 yards. a non pro can't notice this in my opinion. been playing 25 years and still haven't broken 80. i count everything though from tee to green. no gimmies.

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taylormade ti bubble 2 woods

taylormade burner lcg irons

am thinking about a new driver. never had consistency with this one. bought the r80 and that is fine for all the other clubs but thinking about a stiff shaft for my driver. used to be very consistent with a steel shaft. want a taylormade but so many types to choose from. the superquad is just too damn expensive. the weighted only shape your shot up to 15 yards. a non pro can't notice this in my opinion. been playing 25 years and still haven't broken 80. i count everything though from tee to green. no gimmies.

is there another way to play golf?

what is this gimmie thing you speak of.

The superquad is nice but the Burner driver is $100 cheaper and it is 15 yards

longer

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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/nyregion/21golf.html?em&ex=1203829200&en=9c9070c4064e72a7&ei=5087%0A

More Americans Are Giving Up Golf

By PAUL VITELLO

Published: February 21, 2008

HAUPPAUGE, N.Y. — The men gathered in a new golf clubhouse here a couple of weeks ago circled the problem from every angle, like caddies lining up a shot out of the rough.

“We have to change our mentality,” said Richard Rocchio, a public relations consultant.

“The problem is time,” offered Walter Hurney, a real estate developer. “There just isn’t enough time. Men won’t spend a whole day away from their family anymore.”

William A. Gatz, owner of the Long Island National Golf Club in Riverhead, said the problem was fundamental economics: too much supply, not enough demand.

The problem was not a game of golf. It was the game of golf itself.

Over the past decade, the leisure activity most closely associated with corporate success in America has been in a kind of recession.

The total number of people who play has declined or remained flat each year since 2000, dropping to about 26 million from 30 million, according to the National Golf Foundation and the Sporting Goods Manufacturers Association.

More troubling to golf boosters, the number of people who play 25 times a year or more fell to 4.6 million in 2005 from 6.9 million in 2000, a loss of about a third.

The industry now counts its core players as those who golf eight or more times a year. That number, too, has fallen, but more slowly: to 15 million in 2006 from 17.7 million in 2000, according to the National Golf Foundation.

The five men who met here at the Wind Watch Golf Club a couple of weeks ago, golf aficionados all, wondered out loud about the reasons. Was it the economy? Changing family dynamics? A glut of golf courses? A surfeit of etiquette rules — like not letting people use their cellphones for the four hours it typically takes to play a round of 18 holes?

Or was it just the four hours?

Here on Long Island, where there are more than 100 private courses, golf course owners have tried various strategies: coupons and trial memberships, aggressive marketing for corporate and charity tournaments, and even some forays into the wedding business.

Over coffee with a representative of the National Golf Course Owners Association, the owners of four golf courses discussed forming an owners’ cooperative to market golf on Long Island and, perhaps, to purchase staples like golf carts and fertilizer more cheaply.

They strategized about marketing to women, who make up about 25 percent of golfers nationally; recruiting young players with a high school tournament; attracting families with special rates; realigning courses to 6-hole rounds, instead of 9 or 18; and seeking tax breaks, on the premise that golf courses, even private ones, provide publicly beneficial open space.

“When the ship is sinking, it’s time to get creative,” said Mr. Hurney, a principal owner of the Great Rock Golf Club in Wading River, which last summer erected a 4,000-square-foot tent for social events, including weddings, christenings and communions.

The disappearance of golfers over the past several years is part of a broader decline in outdoor activities — including tennis, swimming, hiking, biking and downhill skiing — according to a number of academic and recreation industry studies.

A 2006 study by the United States Tennis Association, which has battled the trend somewhat successfully with a forceful campaign to recruit young players, found that punishing hurricane seasons factored into the decline of play in the South, while the soaring popularity of electronic games and newer sports like skateboarding was diminishing the number of new tennis players everywhere.

Rodney B. Warnick, a professor of recreation studies and tourism at the University of Massachusetts, said that the aging population of the United States was probably a part of the problem, too, and that “there is a younger generation that is just not as active.”

But golf, a sport of long-term investors — both those who buy the expensive equipment and those who build the princely estates on which it is played — has always seemed to exist in a world above the fray of shifting demographics. Not anymore.

Jim Kass, the research director of the National Golf Foundation, an industry group, said the gradual but prolonged slump in golf has defied the adage, “Once a golfer, always a golfer.” About three million golfers quit playing each year, and slightly fewer than that have been picking it up. A two-year campaign by the foundation to bring new players into the game, he said, “hasn’t shown much in the way of results.”

“The man in the street will tell you that golf is booming because he sees Tiger Woods on TV,” Mr. Kass said. “But we track the reality. The reality is, while we haven’t exactly tanked, the numbers have been disappointing for some time.”

Surveys sponsored by the foundation have asked players what keeps them away. “The answer is usually economic,” Mr. Kass said. “No time. Two jobs. Real wages not going up. Pensions going away. Corporate cutbacks in country club memberships — all that doom and gloom stuff.”

In many parts of the country, high expectations for a golf bonanza paralleling baby boomer retirements led to what is now considered a vast overbuilding of golf courses.

Between 1990 and 2003, developers built more than 3,000 new golf courses in the United States, bringing the total to about 16,000. Several hundred have closed in the last few years, most of them in Arizona, Florida, Michigan and South Carolina, according to the foundation.

(Scores more courses are listed for sale on the Web site of the National Golf Course Owners Association, which lists, for example, a North Carolina property described as “two 18-hole championship courses, great mountain locations, profitable, $1.5 million revenues, Bermuda fairways, bent grass, nice clubhouses, one at $5.5 million, other at $2.5 million — possible some owner financing.”)

At the meeting here, there was a consensus that changing family dynamics have had a profound effect on the sport.

“Years ago, men thought nothing of spending the whole day playing golf — maybe Saturday and Sunday both,” said Mr. Rocchio, the public relations consultant, who is also the New York regional director of the National Golf Course Owners Association. “Today, he is driving his kids to their soccer games. Maybe he’s playing a round early in the morning. But he has to get back home in time for lunch.”

Mr. Hurney, the real estate developer, chimed in, “Which is why if we don’t repackage our facilities to a more family orientation, we’re dead.”

To help keep the Great Rock Golf Club afloat, owners erected their large climate-controlled tent near the 18th green last summer. It sat next to the restaurant, Blackwell’s, already operating there. By most accounts, it has been a boon to the club — though perhaps not a hole in one.

Residents of the surrounding neighborhood have complained about party noise, and last year more than 40 signed a petition asking the town of Riverhead to intervene. Town officials are reviewing whether the tent meets local zoning regulations, but have not issued any noise summonses. Mr. Hurney told them he had purchased a decibel meter and would try to hire quieter entertainment.

One neighbor, Dominique Mendez, whose home is about 600 feet from the 18th hole, said, “We bought our house here because we wanted to live in a quiet place, and we thought a golf course would be nice to see from the window. Instead, people have to turn up their air conditioners or wear earplugs at night because of the music thumping.”

During weddings, she said: “you can hear the D.J., ‘We’re gonna do the garter!’ It’s a little much.”

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is there another way to play golf?

what is this gimmie thing you speak of.

The superquad is nice but the Burner driver is $100 cheaper and it is 15 yards

longer

gimmies, like 1 and 2 feet putts. dropping where you go out of bounds. stuff like that.dude, i met more liars on the golf course than anywhere else i've ever been. most people don't even know all the rules let alone follow them. until you play them for cash then it's a different story. i never saw so many single digit handicaps turn into 90's shooters in my life than when you play with them. they have the county amateur tourney here every year and people shoot 60's to high 90's. you're supposed to be single digit handicap to even enter. more than half shoot 85 and up. but on another note, the burner is longer than the superquad? then why the price difference? i see them online for a good price.

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gimmies, like 1 and 2 feet putts. dropping where you go out of bounds. stuff like that.dude, i met more liars on the golf course than anywhere else i've ever been. most people don't even know all the rules let alone follow them. until you play them for cash then it's a different story. i never saw so many single digit handicaps turn into 90's shooters in my life than when you play with them. they have the county amateur tourney here every year and people shoot 60's to high 90's. you're supposed to be single digit handicap to even enter. more than half shoot 85 and up. but on another note, the burner is longer than the superquad? then why the price difference? i see them online for a good price.

the superquad is more for the single HC playa's, you can move the weighted

screws. The Burner is longer and is prob cheaper to make. The pros prefer

to work the ball as they hit it plenty far enough

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i hit it 250 to 260 average with my ti bubble 2. sometimes further with roll. just not consistent with it that's why i'm looking.

go with burner

if you consistency swing easier... like at 75% and do not rush downswing.

right now i'm forced to swing at 50% due to rotator cuff, shot an 81 and 82

so far on a florida track where OB and water is on almost every hole

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irons- Tommy Armour 845 Graphite Shafts

driver- Taylor Made R5

Putter- Odyssey White Hot

Ball- Callaway

handicap...was as low as an 11, not playing that well now

i hear ya, it's tough relearning your swing after the winter months. ;)

my swing thoughts C S V

Connect (hold the triangle as long as possible, left arm should be close to chest on way back for right handers. This will keep you from taking the club too inside on backswing

Slow on the downswing, most golfers rush the downwing causing a multitude of errors

Finish your swing... weight should finish on left side and you should be able to lift your right foot off the ground if swing was done properly.

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SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Don't let hubbie play golf;)

maybe i will .. and find myself a young chippee.. :D

actually i play ( very poorly ) and i enjoy.. but really afo.. i feel bad for your wife.

if you enjoy golf more then sex you aint doing it right.

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maybe i will .. and find myself a young chippee.. :D

actually i play ( very poorly ) and i enjoy.. but really afo.. i feel bad for your wife.

if you enjoy golf more then sex you aint doing it right.

haha maybe my wife already found a chippee;)

you do know i can be a tad sarcistic....

I play many rounds at 5am and play 18 in 2 1/2 hrs then i go to work. maybe

i should come back early and check in on the wifey.:jawdrop:

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i hear ya, it's tough relearning your swing after the winter months. ;)

my swing thoughts C S V

Connect (hold the triangle as long as possible, left arm should be close to chest on way back for right handers. This will keep you from taking the club too inside on backswing

Slow on the downswing, most golfers rush the downwing causing a multitude of errors

Finish your swing... weight should finish on left side and you should be able to lift your right foot off the ground if swing was done properly.

well, living in S Fla, the bummer with the winter months isn't the weather, its the Canadians and snowbirds...there are so many of them a normal 3 1/2 hour round turns into 5 and my patience goes right down the drain

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well, living in S Fla, the bummer with the winter months isn't the weather, its the Canadians and snowbirds...there are so many of them a normal 3 1/2 hour round turns into 5 and my patience goes right down the drain

those F'n Canucks and there "eh" expression

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haha maybe my wife already found a chippee;)

you do know i can be a tad sarcistic....

I play many rounds at 5am and play 18 in 2 1/2 hrs then i go to work. maybe

i should come back early and check in on the wifey.:jawdrop:

ummm.... you might want to only play the front 9 one day :D

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