Barton Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/5566442.html Feb. 24, 2008, 9:16PM Relative complains after death on flight By RICHARD PYLE Associated Press Writer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 If you're in that bad of shape, what are you doing flying? My father had heart disease and couldn't fly because his legs would swell up. she probably had fluid in her lungs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/5566442.html Feb. 24, 2008, 9:16PM Relative complains after death on flight By RICHARD PYLE Associated Press Writer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsTaborJet Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 If you're in that bad of shape, what are you doing flying? My father had heart disease and couldn't fly because his legs would swell up. she probably had fluid in her lungs. She had heart disease, and died. The flight crew gave her water. Why even post this stuff? Her "cousin" is the source. Hold on here... This woman clearly needed oxygen and as usual the flight staff was indifferent to a passenger's needs. They refused to help until it was too late. The equipment on the plane is supposed to be operational... not empty tanks and a defib that doesn't work. People can travel with all kinds of medical conditions, but if its bad enough the doc would have advised against it. What if it was your mother? Would you be satisfied with a cup of water and faulty equipment? I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryK Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Did I read correctly that she brought EMPTY oxygen containers with her? If so, who decides just how many medical conditions an airplane staff is required to treat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickkotite Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 i dont know what the official word on O2 is in the airline industry, but if it is allowed (it is super flammable) and all planes require that they fly with them then this is an open and closed case of negligence. sick people, or people with conditions are allowed to enjoy life like anybody else. nobody asked the staff to treat medical cconditions here. some of you guys are retarted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryK Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 After re-reading, it seems the woman brought no oxygen of her own. It's unfortunate that the tanks were empty, but they aren't an ambulance. People can bring their own, but I don't want an airplane carrying oxygen bottles for the H*** of it. google ValueJet for a better explanation of why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 After re-reading, it seems the woman brought no oxygen of her own. It's unfortunate that the tanks were empty, but they aren't an ambulance. People can bring their own, but I don't want an airplane carrying oxygen bottles for the H*** of it. google ValueJet for a better explanation of why. aren't the masks that drop from overhead above every seat a viable oxygen supply? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickkotite Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 After re-reading, it seems the woman brought no oxygen of her own. It's unfortunate that the tanks were empty, but they aren't an ambulance. People can bring their own, but I don't want an airplane carrying oxygen bottles for the H*** of it. google ValueJet for a better explanation of why. thats why im wondering what the official word is. i wouldnt want 02 lying around either, but if the airline had 2 of them then that tells me that the faa requires them to carry emergency 02, hence their negligence, if that is indeed the case. yea i thought about the masks willy but i dont think they have any control over it in a non-crash scenario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 i dont know what the official word on O2 is in the airline industry, but if it is allowed (it is super flammable) You don't teach science, do you? O2 is not flammable. some of you guys are retarted At least we're not teachers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickkotite Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 You don't teach science, do you? O2 is not flammable. At least we're not teachers. well well then along with being great at serving mens needs, it seems that you are a gas expert as well heres the deal junior: ive welded plenty. 0xygen is super flammable. Unless 02 is something different than oxygen or plain old "0" and I am mistaken, but me thinks u r wrong. and just because i teach science doesnt make me an expert on anything scientific, as strange as that sounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickkotite Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 well, it looks like the whole story is that of the brother. AA claims that the 02 worked fine. given the fact that they carry 12 bottles and need to check them, ill bet they are an faa requirement so IF the brother's story is true, AA is in deep chit On Monday, airline spokesman Charley Wilson said there were 12 oxygen tanks on the plane and the crew checked them before the flight took off to make sure they were working. He said at least two were used on Desir. "American Airlines, after investigation, has determined that oxygen was administered on the aircraft, and it was working, and the defibrillator was applied as well," he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 well well then along with being great at serving mens needs, it seems that you are a gas expert as well heres the deal junior: ive welded plenty. 0xygen is super flammable. Unless 02 is something different than oxygen or plain old "0" and I am mistaken, but me thinks u r wrong. and just because i teach science doesnt make me an expert on anything scientific, as strange as that sounds Oxygen is not flammable by itself. It supports fire, there's a difference. Seriously, any 10th grade student knows this. So do stupid bartenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickkotite Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 inference: if they all "worked" why would you need to go to the 2nd bottle? prediction: AA messed up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickkotite Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Oxygen is not flammable by itself. It supports fire, there's a difference. Seriously, any 10th grade student knows this. So do stupid bartenders. ok now i know your just being silly. supports fire? what does that mean? If i opened the welding torch to allow a little oxygen to come out and then pop a spark...guess what its a friggin inferno. i dunno what your talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted February 25, 2008 Author Share Posted February 25, 2008 inference: if they all "worked" why would you need to go to the 2nd bottle? prediction: AA messed up There is not a lot of oxygen in each tank. The tanks are not very big. I know this because I was on a flight last year where similar to this story, the airline crew had to lay the passenger on the floor and give them oxygen via the tanks/bottles. The passenger went through 2+ of those little bottles in no time. And it doesnt even look like the person is getting oxygen because you cannot tell from the naked eye if anything is actually coming out. There's a gauge on the bottle that tells you how much oxygen is left in the tanks. And of course the passenger wouldnt have oxygen bottles with them, unless they had a condition. It is the airlines fault if the oxygen bottles were not actually working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 ok now i know your just being silly. supports fire? what does that mean? If i opened the welding torch to allow a little oxygen to come out and then pop a spark...guess what its a friggin inferno. i dunno what your talking about I'm 100% positive that when you welded the tanks weren't full of pure O2. The question is one of definition. For combustion or burning to occur you need two things -- a fuel and an oxidizing agent. By definition, the fuel burns in the oxidizing agent. Both fuel and oxidizing agent are chemically changed but (by definition) only the fuel "burns". For example carbon (in the form of charcoal) is a fuel and will react with oxygen (oxidizing agent) to form a new compound, carbon dioxide. Oxygen is the most common oxidizing agent (there is a reason for the similarity in the words oxygen and oxidizing...) and it is also one of the strongest. Because oxygen is such a strong oxidizing agent there is nothing that will oxidize oxygen, hence oxygen does not "burn". However, oxygen is (almost) always a required component of a flame. While oxygen itself is not flammable it is a very dangerous chemical because it causes any fuel in can react with any fuel in its presence. When high pressure oxygen is used extreme care must be taken so that it does not come in contact with any fuels or it will cause an explosion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickkotite Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 I'm 100% positive that when you welded the tanks weren't full of pure O2. get a load of fatso...um i mean the wikipedia bandit.. i dont know what to say. the 02 bottle has skull and crossbones and the word "explosive" on it. I only used the 02 and no other fuel. you are a technical weasel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 The oxygen is reserved for Platinum members and rightfully so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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