5 years probation for killing baby

[Jet Moses]

Sauk Village girl who suffocated her newborn baby is sentenced to 5 years of probation

By Lolly Bowean | Tribune reporter February 27, 2008

A Sauk Village girl who suffocated her newborn daughter, then placed her in the trash, was sentenced Tuesday to 5 years of probation and mandatory counseling by a Cook County Juvenile Court judge.

Although court officials discussed sentencing the girl to time in a juvenile detention center, attorneys and officials involved in the case said the girl would be better served if she remained in the custody of her mother.

The girl, who is now 16 and is not being named because she is a juvenile, appeared in the Markham courthouse before Judge Michael W. Stuttley. She didn't speak during the sentencing hearing, and kept her eyes lowered during much of the proceeding. Stuttley also sentenced the girl to complete 100 hours of community service at a day-care center.

She was arrested in October 2006 after she told detectives she secretly gave birth in the middle of the night in the bathroom of her house. She was 14 at the time. Authorities said that after she gave birth, her younger sister cut the baby's umbilical cord, fed the baby formula and put her to bed.

That morning the teen went to school. When she came home, she suffocated the baby with a blanket and put her body in the trash, police said. The body was found later that night by a female relative.

The girl was found guilty of second-degree murder and concealing a homicide in October.

In court Tuesday, the defendant's mother told the judge that the girl panicked and thought she would get in trouble if she told anyone that she was pregnant or about the birth.

The girl's mother, who adopted her when she was 6, acknowledged that after another teenager in her household gave birth, she had warned her children that if anyone else got pregnant, she would throw them out.

"I didn't mean it like she took it," the girl's mother said, her voice cracking as she choked back emotion. "I think she panicked. I'm asking the court to please give her another chance."

The girl has been back at home since January 2007, officials said in court. Since returning home, she has caught up on her schoolwork at Bloom Trail High School and started seeing a counselor once a week. She checks in regularly with a probation officer and is trying to join the softball team at school, said Linda Burns, a probation officer working with the girl.

The girl "is very guilty about what happened, and she's doing well at home and doing well in school," Burns said. She told the judge that the girl goes to tutoring after school for help in English.

As part of her counseling, she is being treated for post-traumatic stress disorder, and eventually her entire family will get counseling.

During the sentencing, Stuttley told the girl that she's young and that it's expected she'll make mistakes.

"When you find yourself in a situation that you cannot explain ... find an adult you can trust," Stuttley said.

"You need to put it behind you ... you've got a long life in front of you, " he said.

Stuttley asked for an update on the girl's progress one year from now.

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lbowean@tribune.com

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[dickkotite]

outrageous. i thought abortion was legal in this country

[Tictac]

outrageous. i thought abortion was legal in this country

There have been pharmacists that refuse to fill womens prescription for birth control, you would think it would be easy to get an abortion, but many doctors refuse.

[serphnx]

Well I guess I shouldn't admit that I think abortion is murder in this thread, seeing as how you guys are all for killing fetuses.

[Garb]

There have been pharmacists that refuse to fill womens prescription for birth control, you would think it would be easy to get an abortion, but many doctors refuse.

You know what I find completely f'ed up? The fact that many insurance companies do not cover the expense of birth control, yet most of 'em cover a viagra prescription (as stated by a really pissed-off female attorney here where I work during an anti-McCain rant. Woo-hee, she hates him!)

[afosomf]

You know what I find completely f'ed up? The fact that many insurance companies do not cover the expense of birth control, yet most of 'em cover a viagra prescription.

Really??

Maybe i should try some.

[Garb]

Really??

Maybe i should try some.

I wouldn't know anything about their medicinal value beyond what those commercials lead you to beleive. I'm a nun, afterall. Ask Bumbelina, however. She's a minx.

[afosomf]

I wouldn't know anything about their medicinal value beyond what those commercials lead you to beleive. I'm a nun, afterall. Ask Bumbelina, however. She's a minx.

Well you would think that all Golfers have issues since Cialis is advertised

non stop on CBS coverage of Golf.

Viagra may get the mojo going, never tried one maybe i should. May interfere

with golf though;)

Yes I am well aware that GG gets "It" quite frequently as her hubbie appears

to be her sex slave.

[serphnx]

You know what I find completely f'ed up? The fact that many insurance companies do not cover the expense of birth control, yet most of 'em cover a viagra prescription (as stated by a really pissed-off female attorney here where I work during an anti-McCain rant. Woo-hee, she hates him!)

That sounds like two different things though. One is to allow reproduction and the other is to prevent it. Wouldn't it be more apt to compare condom purchases to female contraceptives? I doubt the condoms are covered either. I'd assume if the woman has a fertility problem, insurance would cover that?

I don't see the source for rage there.

[war ensemble]

To be quite honest and I don't want to get into any arguments and get this thread locked, I don't see how anyone could see abortion as legal/humane and try and defend it. It just makes no sense to me. How can you justify killing an innocent because of your own wrongdoing?

[Jet Moses]

To be quite honest and I don't want to get into any arguments and get this thread locked, I don't see how anyone could see abortion as legal/humane and try and defend it. It just makes no sense to me. How can you justify killing an innocent because of your own wrongdoing?

War ensemble, this thread wasn't supposed to be about abortion, but DICKBAG seems to think its a joke that a baby got smothered and tossed in a trash can.

Having established the "right" to abort babies, it was inevitable our degenerating society would soon find it permissible to kill them after they've been born.

For taking another person's life, the unnamed 16-year-old has received probation, "mandatory counseling" and 100 hours of community service — at a day-care center. The poor murderess is getting treated for "post-traumatic stress disorder."

Within a generation or two, we will have left token punishments behind, and it will be perfectly acceptable to kill babies for crying too loudly.

I'll be in the arcade, bro.

[dickkotite]

War ensemble, this thread wasn't supposed to be about abortion, but DICKBAG seems to think its a joke that a baby got smothered and tossed in a trash can.

Having established the "right" to abort babies, it was inevitable our degenerating society would soon find it permissible to kill them after they've been born.

For taking another person's life, the unnamed 16-year-old has received probation, "mandatory counseling" and 100 hours of community service

[Thai Jet]

Well I guess I shouldn't admit that I think abortion is murder in this thread, seeing as how you guys are all for killing fetuses.

You're not alone.

[jetophile]

Well I guess I shouldn't admit that I think abortion is murder in this thread, seeing as how you guys are all for killing fetuses.

I'm an adoptee and I'm for reproductive choice. Fancy that. Once you've breathed your first, and been fed no less... Haha, the Catholic Church just loved to call me and my existence something else.

[Thai Jet]

I'm an adoptee and I'm for reproductive choice. Fancy that. Once you've breathed your first, and been fed no less... Haha, the Catholic Church just loved to call me and my existence something else.

Sassy ? Just askin.....

[jetophile]

Sassy ? Just askin.....

HAH, sassy. You must know my signature by-line. And what I meant by that comment was, I was branded illegitimate and had to be saved from that! I'd never be able to handle the stain! A nice way of saying it and justification for playing God with people.

I had all manner of fake papers that nothing to do with me. Still, I had no "legal" right to know who I was. Haha, OK. My birth certificate is an altered fraud. My birthmother was told I went home with a family as soon as she left the hospital. Meanwhile, I was put in foster care because the Catholic agency that was handling my adoption was concerned how 'ambivalent' she was over legally surrendering me. Since they never informed her that it was her legal right to change her mind in the first place, they opted to lie to her in hope her limitation period would run out to prevent it. She was brought back to NYC and signed my relinquishment papers on the exact day her legal rights became void. No accident. And all that time, she thought I'd been placed. Go RCC! And of course, my birthfather had no legal rights to speak of at all.

EDIT & P.S.: I broke my case all on my own in 1993, without the internet (what was that), and never paid anyone a dime. Sealed records, like I was some state secret. Well, technically I was. Paper, legwork and persistence. God Bless the New York Public Library and its reverenced Halls. I wanted the truth, and I fought very hard against old regimes to get it. It belonged to me. And always will.

[kamikaze0214]

HAH, sassy. You must know my signature by-line. And what I meant by that comment was, I was branded illegitimate and had to be saved from that! I'd never be able to handle the stain! A nice way of saying it and justification for playing God with people.

I had all manner of fake papers that nothing to do with me. Still, I had no "legal" right to know who I was. Haha, OK. My birth certificate is an altered fraud. My birthmother was told I went home with a family as soon as she left the hospital. Meanwhile, I was put in foster care because the Catholic agency that was handling my adoption was concerned how 'ambivalent' she was over legally surrendering me. Since they never informed her that it was her legal right to change her mind in the first place, they opted to lie to her in hope her limitation period would run out to prevent it. She was brought back to NYC and signed my relinquishment papers on the exact day her legal rights became void. No accident. And all that time, she thought I'd been placed. Go RCC! And of course, my birthfather had no legal rights to speak of at all.

EDIT & P.S.: I broke my case all on my own in 1993, without the internet (what was that), and never paid anyone a dime. Sealed records, like I was some state secret. Well, technically I was. Paper, legwork and persistence. God Bless the New York Public Library and its reverenced Halls. I wanted the truth, and I fought very hard against old regimes to get it. It belonged to me. And always will.

Crazy.

[Verde]

HAH, sassy. You must know my signature by-line. And what I meant by that comment was, I was branded illegitimate and had to be saved from that! I'd never be able to handle the stain! A nice way of saying it and justification for playing God with people.

I had all manner of fake papers that nothing to do with me. Still, I had no "legal" right to know who I was. Haha, OK. My birth certificate is an altered fraud. My birthmother was told I went home with a family as soon as she left the hospital. Meanwhile, I was put in foster care because the Catholic agency that was handling my adoption was concerned how 'ambivalent' she was over legally surrendering me. Since they never informed her that it was her legal right to change her mind in the first place, they opted to lie to her in hope her limitation period would run out to prevent it. She was brought back to NYC and signed my relinquishment papers on the exact day her legal rights became void. No accident. And all that time, she thought I'd been placed. Go RCC! And of course, my birthfather had no legal rights to speak of at all.

EDIT & P.S.: I broke my case all on my own in 1993, without the internet (what was that), and never paid anyone a dime. Sealed records, like I was some state secret. Well, technically I was. Paper, legwork and persistence. God Bless the New York Public Library and its reverenced Halls. I wanted the truth, and I fought very hard against old regimes to get it. It belonged to me. And always will.

Holy crqp! The truth is out there, for sure! Good for you!

[Jet Moses]

oh booh hoo hoo you and your negative outlook on anything that has to do with life.

what do you want to do with a mixed up scared 16 year old? lock her up for 25 years? people murder adults and only get 6 years in the slammer. the girl is suffering big time.

mr. condemnation, what if it was YOUR daughter who grew up to be a pregnant mixed up 16 year old? it can happen to any family the girl needs help not hard time

We're Getting Colder, Not Warmer

If only global warming were real. Unfortunately temperatures are determined not by Al Gore's ideology, nor by the authoritarian bureauweenies who seek to exploit it, but by the Sun. Like the climate, the Sun's output naturally fluctuates — and it appears to be on the wane:

All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.

A compiled list of all the sources can be seen

here

. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C — a value large enough to wipe out most of the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year's time. For all four sources, it's the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down.

In stark contrast to warming, cooling really is a problem:

Cold is more damaging than heat. The mean temperature of the planet is about 54 degrees. Humans — and most of the crops and animals we depend on — prefer a temperature closer to 70.

Historically, the warm periods such as the Medieval Climate Optimum were beneficial for civilization. Corresponding cooling events such as the Little Ice Age, though, were uniformly bad news.

A drop in temperatures would have only one benefit: in light of all the hysterical lies we've been told about global warming, at least a few people might learn better than to believe anything they're told by the media, the government, Al Gore or the United Nations.

[jetophile]

We're Getting Colder, Not Warmer

Don't sweat it. I personally couldn't care less about global warming as to my immediate life. It's the human way. Pollution and slaughter is bad, but it's what we do. Just try to do better on a personal level is all I can say for it.

We're most likely not going to be here for the next catastrophe, but the world has 'come to and end' at least six times already. However, ego-centric fukktards that we are, man's emergence hadn't hit the table yet, so we get all crazy and looped up over it now. The lack of humbleness really makes me not WANT to give a chit if we get spun into space by climactic change, get hit by asteroids - or anything else. I think we should stop killing each other over religious ideas for starters. Good luck on that.

[Jet Moses]

I'm an adoptee and I'm for reproductive choice. Fancy that. Once you've breathed your first, and been fed no less... Haha, the Catholic Church just loved to call me and my existence something else.

Tonight I trained with a Goju man. Afterwards, we talked and the discussion developed into Zen Buddhism. So I asked him "What is the sound of one hand clapping?" He then slapped me in the head (not hard).

After all these years, it had never occured to me.

[Jet Moses]

it can happen to any family the girl needs help not hard time

You should adopt a few kids who need help instead of lecturing everybody else. Here's another global warming update, buddy:

Weather Channel Founder John Coleman Proposes Suing Al Gore for Fraud

John Coleman is not pleased with the moonbatty direction taken by the Weather Channel, which he founded in 1982:

The Weather Channel had great promise, and that's all gone now because they've made every mistake in the book on what they've done and how they've done it and it's very sad. […] Let's hope the new owners can recapture the vision and stop […] telling us what to think and start giving us useful weather information.

An example of the Weather Channel's heavy-handed moonbattery would be Heidi Cullen's demand that weather people who won't drink the global warming Kool-Aid be decertified by the American Meteorological Society.

Coleman has been fed to the teeth with the global warming hoax, and proposes we fight it by suing carbon credit hucksters for fraud:

have a feeling this is the opening. If the lawyers will take the case — sue the people who sell carbon credits. That includes Al Gore. That lawsuit would get so much publicity, so much media attention. And as the experts went to the media stand to testify, I feel like that could become the vehicle to finally put some light on the fraud of global warming.

Lord Christopher Monckton, no friend of government thugs who exploit the global warming hoax, agrees that courts can be used to tear down this preposterous sham before it causes any more damage. In light of our Supreme Court's demented decision to categorize CO2 — i.e., our very breath — as a pollutant, I'm not so sure.

[dickkotite]

You should adopt a few kids who need help instead of lecturing everybody else. Here's another global warming update, buddy:

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typical jetmoses: avoid the issue and then change the subject when you cant hang

YOU posted a story where you condemn a young girl for getting rid of a baby and getting off easy. You imply that she should get hard time.

I post a response saying that the girl needs help, not hard time and that if it was your daughter, you wouldnt be so quick to judge

THEN, you reply with some hogwash about global warming, a past thread where once again your inadequite debating abilities made you look like an angry big mouthed fool.

whats next? make fun of my grammar?

[jetophile]

THEN, you reply with some hogwash about global warming, a past thread where once again your inadequite debating abilities made you look like an angry big mouthed fool.

Angry? Yay! I'll hit one for the Gipper, alright! 'Big mouth'? Even better; but differing viewpoints often get folks labeled as such just because they march to the beat of their own drummer and stuff. Fool? Haha, good one.

I mean, look at that Galileo guy. Damn, was he dumb.

[Jet Moses]

typical jetmoses: avoid the issue and then change the subject when you cant hang

YOU posted a story where you condemn a young girl for getting rid of a baby and getting off easy. You imply that she should get hard time.

I post a response saying that the girl needs help, not hard time and that if it was your daughter, you wouldnt be so quick to judge

THEN, you reply with some hogwash about global warming, a past thread where once again your inadequite debating abilities made you look like an angry big mouthed fool.

whats next? make fun of my grammar?

yor dum