Smizzy Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 Jets | Talks with J. Abraham can Resume Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:31:44 -0700 The Star-Ledger reports the New York Jets and DE John Abraham, the team's franchise player, can resume talks today about a long-term contract per league rules. However, the Jets are balking at giving Abraham a long-term deal because of his injury history. Last season, he missed the final four games of the regular season and two playoff games after suffering a torn lateral collateral ligament in his left knee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted July 15, 2005 Author Share Posted July 15, 2005 Jets | Talks with J. Abraham can Resume Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:31:44 -0700 The Star-Ledger reports the New York Jets and DE John Abraham, the team's franchise player, can resume talks today about a long-term contract per league rules. However, the Jets are balking at giving Abraham a long-term deal because of his injury history. Last season, he missed the final four games of the regular season and two playoff games after suffering a torn lateral collateral ligament in his left knee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 Jets | Talks with J. Abraham can Resume Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:31:44 -0700 The Star-Ledger reports the New York Jets and DE John Abraham, the team's franchise player, can resume talks today about a long-term contract per league rules. However, the Jets are balking at giving Abraham a long-term deal because of his injury history. Last season, he missed the final four games of the regular season and two playoff games after suffering a torn lateral collateral ligament in his left knee. That article should continue... " he missed the final four games of the regular season and two playoff games after suffering a torn lateral collateral ligament in his left knee when he could have come back for at least one of them." BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 Jets | Talks with J. Abraham can Resume Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:31:44 -0700 The Star-Ledger reports the New York Jets and DE John Abraham, the team's franchise player, can resume talks today about a long-term contract per league rules. However, the Jets are balking at giving Abraham a long-term deal because of his injury history. Last season, he missed the final four games of the regular season and two playoff games after suffering a torn lateral collateral ligament in his left knee. That article should continue... " he missed the final four games of the regular season and two playoff games after suffering a torn lateral collateral ligament in his left knee when he could have come back for at least one of them." BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 That article should continue... " he missed the final four games of the regular season and two playoff games after suffering a torn lateral collateral ligament in his left knee when he could have come back for at least one of them." BZ it was only a matter of time before this started again. BZ - if you are hurt, you are hurt. The team postured like he was going to play when they knew along he was out - this is the same thing BB does week in and week out and noone says anything about it. the players came to J Abe's defense on this - they know just how hurt he was. Abe had a problem w/alchohol 2 years ago and has since completely turned his act around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 That article should continue... " he missed the final four games of the regular season and two playoff games after suffering a torn lateral collateral ligament in his left knee when he could have come back for at least one of them." BZ it was only a matter of time before this started again. BZ - if you are hurt, you are hurt. The team postured like he was going to play when they knew along he was out - this is the same thing BB does week in and week out and noone says anything about it. the players came to J Abe's defense on this - they know just how hurt he was. Abe had a problem w/alchohol 2 years ago and has since completely turned his act around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 John Abe can stay home. He is dead to me. DEAD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 John Abe can stay home. He is dead to me. DEAD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 We love bashing Bradway and the Jets Front Office from time to time (to say the least), but you gotta give them their due this time around. They're not giving in to Abraham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 We love bashing Bradway and the Jets Front Office from time to time (to say the least), but you gotta give them their due this time around. They're not giving in to Abraham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 We love bashing Bradway and the Jets Front Office from time to time (to say the least), but you gotta give them their due this time around. They're not giving in to Abraham. Yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 We love bashing Bradway and the Jets Front Office from time to time (to say the least), but you gotta give them their due this time around. They're not giving in to Abraham. Yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaumerJet Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 it was only a matter of time before this started again. BZ - if you are hurt, you are hurt. The team postured like he was going to play when they knew along he was out - this is the same thing BB does week in and week out and noone says anything about it. Rookie I can only respond this way - If he had played, we never would have lost in Pittsburgh! There is no I in team & Mr. Abraham is only interested in I & not TEAM. Also, most of the players who came foreward backing up his injury were standing firm based on the PLAYERS/AGENTS association's comments... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaumerJet Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 it was only a matter of time before this started again. BZ - if you are hurt, you are hurt. The team postured like he was going to play when they knew along he was out - this is the same thing BB does week in and week out and noone says anything about it. Rookie I can only respond this way - If he had played, we never would have lost in Pittsburgh! There is no I in team & Mr. Abraham is only interested in I & not TEAM. Also, most of the players who came foreward backing up his injury were standing firm based on the PLAYERS/AGENTS association's comments... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee_Jet Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 That article should continue... " he missed the final four games of the regular season and two playoff games after suffering a torn lateral collateral ligament in his left knee when he could have come back for at least one of them." BZ Thank you Doctor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee_Jet Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 That article should continue... " he missed the final four games of the regular season and two playoff games after suffering a torn lateral collateral ligament in his left knee when he could have come back for at least one of them." BZ Thank you Doctor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 In no way do I believe that John Abraham could've played in the playoffs last year. I think he gets an unfair rap on that one. The man was hurt. He couldn't go. I also don't think the Jets should sign him long term right now. My opinion's subject to change if Johnny Abe comes smokin' out of the gate this season. I may start campaigning to get him re-upped. I changed my tune last year, before he got hurt again. They should let him play out his tender, and address it again in February. If it comes down to it, they need to have $8M set aside to tag him again. The guy's frustrating as all hell, but he's a difference maker when he's on the field and feels like playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 In no way do I believe that John Abraham could've played in the playoffs last year. I think he gets an unfair rap on that one. The man was hurt. He couldn't go. I also don't think the Jets should sign him long term right now. My opinion's subject to change if Johnny Abe comes smokin' out of the gate this season. I may start campaigning to get him re-upped. I changed my tune last year, before he got hurt again. They should let him play out his tender, and address it again in February. If it comes down to it, they need to have $8M set aside to tag him again. The guy's frustrating as all hell, but he's a difference maker when he's on the field and feels like playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 In no way do I believe that John Abraham could've played in the playoffs last year. I think he gets an unfair rap on that one. The man was hurt. He couldn't go. If Abe had suited up for the Steeler game and was on the field for 6-8 critical plays, you think the Steelers offense might have done a few things differently? And wasn't he medically cleared to play prior to the Charger game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 In no way do I believe that John Abraham could've played in the playoffs last year. I think he gets an unfair rap on that one. The man was hurt. He couldn't go. If Abe had suited up for the Steeler game and was on the field for 6-8 critical plays, you think the Steelers offense might have done a few things differently? And wasn't he medically cleared to play prior to the Charger game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 If Abe had suited up for the Steeler game and was on the field for 6-8 critical plays, you think the Steelers offense might have done a few things differently? And wasn't he medically cleared to play prior to the Charger game?[/quote] NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 If Abe had suited up for the Steeler game and was on the field for 6-8 critical plays, you think the Steelers offense might have done a few things differently? And wasn't he medically cleared to play prior to the Charger game?[/quote] NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 The image that defines John Abraham's Jets career: Pittsburgh playoff game, fourth quarter, Sean Ellis and Bryan Thomas suffering from cramps, so bad that Ellis has to limp back to the locker room for IV treatment. Ellis runs back out of the tunnel to take his position at the end of the D-Line, the Steelers snap the ball, Ellis, half-dead, extends his body around a block, reaches out and forces a Jerome Bettis fumble which the Jets recover, giving the Jets new life in that game when it looked like the Steelers were going to ice it. On the sidelines, John Abraham in street clothes, including a huge diamond stud earring, jumps...I repeat, jumps...in excitement on a -quote- "bad knee" -endquote-. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 The image that defines John Abraham's Jets career: Pittsburgh playoff game, fourth quarter, Sean Ellis and Bryan Thomas suffering from cramps, so bad that Ellis has to limp back to the locker room for IV treatment. Ellis runs back out of the tunnel to take his position at the end of the D-Line, the Steelers snap the ball, Ellis, half-dead, extends his body around a block, reaches out and forces a Jerome Bettis fumble which the Jets recover, giving the Jets new life in that game when it looked like the Steelers were going to ice it. On the sidelines, John Abraham in street clothes, including a huge diamond stud earring, jumps...I repeat, jumps...in excitement on a -quote- "bad knee" -endquote-. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 it was only a matter of time before this started again. BZ - if you are hurt, you are hurt. The team postured like he was going to play when they knew along he was out - this is the same thing BB does week in and week out and noone says anything about it. the players came to J Abe's defense on this - they know just how hurt he was. Abe had a problem w/alchohol 2 years ago and has since completely turned his act around. ya , this turd has done a 360...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 it was only a matter of time before this started again. BZ - if you are hurt, you are hurt. The team postured like he was going to play when they knew along he was out - this is the same thing BB does week in and week out and noone says anything about it. the players came to J Abe's defense on this - they know just how hurt he was. Abe had a problem w/alchohol 2 years ago and has since completely turned his act around. ya , this turd has done a 360...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 If Abe had suited up for the Steeler game and was on the field for 6-8 critical plays, you think the Steelers offense might have done a few things differently? I think he would've been exposed as completely unable to make a difference on his first play. On the next 5-7 plays, the Steelers might've done something different alright. They might've run their plays right at him. And wasn't he medically cleared to play prior to the Charger game? The Jets were playing the ol' familiar doubtful/questionable/probable game that teams play when they want their opponent to gameplan for someone who'll be wearing a cast that week. John Abraham's game is all about speed. Even if they dressed him, he would've been useless out there. The Jets could've put him in uniform and kept him on the sidelines as some sort of psychological game, but they're too conservative for that, and wanted a body that could actually perform to be in uniform instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 If Abe had suited up for the Steeler game and was on the field for 6-8 critical plays, you think the Steelers offense might have done a few things differently? I think he would've been exposed as completely unable to make a difference on his first play. On the next 5-7 plays, the Steelers might've done something different alright. They might've run their plays right at him. And wasn't he medically cleared to play prior to the Charger game? The Jets were playing the ol' familiar doubtful/questionable/probable game that teams play when they want their opponent to gameplan for someone who'll be wearing a cast that week. John Abraham's game is all about speed. Even if they dressed him, he would've been useless out there. The Jets could've put him in uniform and kept him on the sidelines as some sort of psychological game, but they're too conservative for that, and wanted a body that could actually perform to be in uniform instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 The image that defines John Abraham's Jets career: Pittsburgh playoff game, fourth quarter, Sean Ellis and Bryan Thomas suffering from cramps, so bad that Ellis has to limp back to the locker room for IV treatment. Ellis runs back out of the tunnel to take his position at the end of the D-Line, the Steelers snap the ball, Ellis, half-dead, extends his body around a block, reaches out and forces a Jerome Bettis fumble which the Jets recover, giving the Jets new life in that game when it looked like the Steelers were going to ice it. On the sidelines, John Abraham in street clothes, including a huge diamond stud earring, jumps...I repeat, jumps...in excitement on a -quote- "bad knee" -endquote-. he is bad news,, he is nothing more than a fur wearing, gangsta jewelery wearing thug who has no team values and is NEVER there when we need him,,lest we forget his booze fest that hampered him in the Oakland playoff game before last seasons pussyfest,,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 The image that defines John Abraham's Jets career: Pittsburgh playoff game, fourth quarter, Sean Ellis and Bryan Thomas suffering from cramps, so bad that Ellis has to limp back to the locker room for IV treatment. Ellis runs back out of the tunnel to take his position at the end of the D-Line, the Steelers snap the ball, Ellis, half-dead, extends his body around a block, reaches out and forces a Jerome Bettis fumble which the Jets recover, giving the Jets new life in that game when it looked like the Steelers were going to ice it. On the sidelines, John Abraham in street clothes, including a huge diamond stud earring, jumps...I repeat, jumps...in excitement on a -quote- "bad knee" -endquote-. he is bad news,, he is nothing more than a fur wearing, gangsta jewelery wearing thug who has no team values and is NEVER there when we need him,,lest we forget his booze fest that hampered him in the Oakland playoff game before last seasons pussyfest,,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 The image that defines John Abraham's Jets career: Pittsburgh playoff game, fourth quarter, Sean Ellis and Bryan Thomas suffering from cramps, so bad that Ellis has to limp back to the locker room for IV treatment. Ellis runs back out of the tunnel to take his position at the end of the D-Line, the Steelers snap the ball, Ellis, half-dead, extends his body around a block, reaches out and forces a Jerome Bettis fumble which the Jets recover, giving the Jets new life in that game when it looked like the Steelers were going to ice it. On the sidelines, John Abraham in street clothes, including a huge diamond stud earring, jumps...I repeat, jumps...in excitement on a -quote- "bad knee" -endquote-. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 The image that defines John Abraham's Jets career: Pittsburgh playoff game, fourth quarter, Sean Ellis and Bryan Thomas suffering from cramps, so bad that Ellis has to limp back to the locker room for IV treatment. Ellis runs back out of the tunnel to take his position at the end of the D-Line, the Steelers snap the ball, Ellis, half-dead, extends his body around a block, reaches out and forces a Jerome Bettis fumble which the Jets recover, giving the Jets new life in that game when it looked like the Steelers were going to ice it. On the sidelines, John Abraham in street clothes, including a huge diamond stud earring, jumps...I repeat, jumps...in excitement on a -quote- "bad knee" -endquote-. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 There are some forgetful people here. It was clear last year, before that game the he was CLEARED to play and he COULD HAVE PLAYED. That is a fact. He chose, and said he chose, not to play because he was worried about his "career". Take Martin on the other side. The guy has played through some of the most monstrous and painful injuries. Never looking back only forward. I am not saying that Abe isn't a good player, because he clearly is, but since he come out, he has been a problem drinker and injury prone. He can quickly get back my full respect, not that it matters, by playing a full year, from beginning to end, not drunk, not injured, just playing like a man possessed. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 There are some forgetful people here. It was clear last year, before that game the he was CLEARED to play and he COULD HAVE PLAYED. That is a fact. He chose, and said he chose, not to play because he was worried about his "career". Take Martin on the other side. The guy has played through some of the most monstrous and painful injuries. Never looking back only forward. I am not saying that Abe isn't a good player, because he clearly is, but since he come out, he has been a problem drinker and injury prone. He can quickly get back my full respect, not that it matters, by playing a full year, from beginning to end, not drunk, not injured, just playing like a man possessed. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted July 15, 2005 Share Posted July 15, 2005 I think he would've been exposed as completely unable to make a difference on his first play. On the next 5-7 plays, the Steelers might've done something different alright. They might've run their plays right at him. The Jets were playing the ol' familiar doubtful/questionable/probable game that teams play when they want their opponent to gameplan for someone who'll be wearing a cast that week. John Abraham's game is all about speed. Even if they dressed him, he would've been useless out there. The Jets could've put him in uniform and kept him on the sidelines as some sort of psychological game, but they're too conservative for that, and wanted a body that could actually perform to be in uniform instead. Slats, if Abe, at that point, was already signed to a 6 year, $60 million dollar deal, do you think he finds a way to suit up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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