Browns | Team close to finalizing deal for S. Rogers

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Browns | Team close to finalizing deal for S. Rogers

Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:14:03 -0800

Tom Kowalski, of MLive.com, reports the Cleveland Browns are close to finalizing a deal that would send CB Leigh Bodden and a third-round draft pick to the Detroit Lions for DT Shaun Rogers.

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[Thai Jet]

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Christ ! How many times is Detroit going to trade him? Sounds like the Cincy deal has hit a snag. D'rob to Cincy? Sounds like the markets there.

[L.S. Dylan]

This guy gets around

[Sperm Edwards]

Only thing that pisses me off a little is watching Cleveland, with holes at 2/3 of their DL, rebuilds it (in a way that fits the 3-4) in a couple of days. Took us a couple of years. And these aren't straight FA's that happened to fall into their laps. These players required compensation to their former teams. Why? Because it is inexcusable to go into a season without a full, appropriately-manned DL in place (particularly when your DL only has 3 guys on it).

Good job by Savage/Crennel.

[RSJ]

Only thing that pisses me off a little is watching Cleveland, with holes at 2/3 of their DL, rebuilds it (in a way that fits the 3-4) in a couple of days. Took us a couple of years. And these aren't straight FA's that happened to fall into their laps. These players required compensation to their former teams. Why? Because it is inexcusable to go into a season without a full, appropriately-manned DL in place (particularly when your DL only has 3 guys on it).

Good job by Savage/Crennel.

It took them some time too. Their defense had the same problems the first few years.

[Greenseed3]

Only thing that pisses me off a little is watching Cleveland, with holes at 2/3 of their DL, rebuilds it (in a way that fits the 3-4) in a couple of days. Took us a couple of years. And these aren't straight FA's that happened to fall into their laps. These players required compensation to their former teams. Why? Because it is inexcusable to go into a season without a full, appropriately-manned DL in place (particularly when your DL only has 3 guys on it).

Good job by Savage/Crennel.

I agree. It's taken them a while to get it though. It seems like last year was the "fix the O" year; and this year "fix the D". Not a bad strategy I guess... Two years gets you in good shape.

[Sperm Edwards]

It took them some time too. Their defense had the same problems the first few years.

Their DL sucked is what they had. But they also had 3 space-eaters on the line. They happened to be sucky ones (or let's say has-been's rather than sucky; but they were sucky for Cleveland). But moves were made to bring in guys they thought would fit. They didn't work out, let them go, and tried again. They definitely are making the effort.

Now whether Williams & Rogers work out for them is yet to be seen. But they are logical additions & the moves required effort; the players didn't just land in their lap through a stroke of dumb luck.

[RSJ]

Their DL sucked is what they had. But they also had 3 space-eaters on the line. They happened to be sucky ones (or let's say has-been's rather than sucky; but they were sucky for Cleveland). But moves were made to bring in guys they thought would fit. They didn't work out, let them go, and tried again. They definitely are making the effort.

Now whether Williams & Rogers work out for them is yet to be seen. But they are logical additions & the moves required effort; the players didn't just land in their lap through a stroke of dumb luck.

I agree, they have done a nice job.

[Arsis]

Their DL sucked is what they had. But they also had 3 space-eaters on the line. They happened to be sucky ones (or let's say has-been's rather than sucky; but they were sucky for Cleveland). But moves were made to bring in guys they thought would fit. They didn't work out, let them go, and tried again. They definitely are making the effort.

Now whether Williams & Rogers work out for them is yet to be seen. But they are logical additions & the moves required effort; the players didn't just land in their lap through a stroke of dumb luck.

I think Tangini thought the Jets would do well enough where they could wait a year a free up some cap space. I think they knew that they had to make these moves, they just thought the jets would go something like 8-8 or 7-9 and they would have that extra year to make those moves. That is the only logical rational explanation I could think of. It explains on why they put so much on the cap last year to free up room this year.

[Sperm Edwards]

I think Tangini thought the Jets would do well enough where they could wait a year a free up some cap space. I think they knew that they had to make these moves, they just thought the jets would go something like 8-8 or 7-9 and they would have that extra year to make those moves. That is the only logical rational explanation I could think of. It explains on why they put so much on the cap last year to free up room this year.

Sometimes there's a method to the madness. To be fair, they didn't have any track record to fall back on, so it just looked like madness (if not outright stupidity & incompetence).

[L.S. Dylan]

Done Deal.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d806f741a&template=without-video&confirm=true

[Thai Jet]

As an added bonus the Brownies got to shank the Bungles in the process. That makes it all the sweeter for the "mistake on the lake" crew.

[4HCrew]

Sperm I am with you on this one. I think Tangini got a little full of themselves last year, thought smoke and mirrors would get them through the year, have a decent season and a make a big splash this year. Thinking guys like Kimo and the boys would be serviceable was a joke and maybe a lesson learned

[Sperm Edwards]

Sperm I am with you on this one. I think Tangini got a little full of themselves last year, thought smoke and mirrors would get them through the year, have a decent season and a make a big splash this year. Thinking guys like Kimo and the boys would be serviceable was a joke and maybe a lesson learned

This is what I think.

You can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t, as they say.

I think they finally learned that, while every player on the line need not be ultra high-priced studs, you can't say "eh just stick a big body in there" a la Clarke (and to a lesser extent, Clement). Or totally go against conventional wisdom and try to "revolutionize" the NT position with a DRob type. And acquiring 5 scrubs for a starting job & expecting one of them to emerge as the "non-scrub" in the group (as we did with those busts & has-been's for DE/OLB). And though Sutton clearly leaves room for improvement, I'm sure he expressed to him that NO one was going to turn that sucky group into a consistent, lockdown defense.

Having a front-seven that consisted of Ellis-DRob-Kimo + Thomas-Vilma-Barton-Hobson, frankly I'm now amazed they did as well as they did in '06. The problem might have been that Mangini was not amazed & expected similar (if not better) production from a similarly unheralded group the following year.

But yes, they do seem to have learned that everyone else who pays for talent on their teams is not crazy. Build primarily through the draft, but if you do that without a core of veterans in there first it'll take you 5 years to do it. And in this day & age, you won't last 5 years as a coach (or GM) if that's the plan.