Sperm Edwards Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Are they nuts? His cap # in 2008 was going to be about $600K. What's the matter with them? Did they seriously expect competition for his services, or difficulty in getting him signed, if they offered him a 2 year / $5.4M deal a year from now? This is just unbelievably stupid. We'd better not come in with the second-highest bid by $1M/yr for someone good who would actually start for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 I know what you are saying and you are right. But maybe they think he will reach a new high this year making it more expensive to sign him next year. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Fine by me. Pouha played very well down the stretch and will be a great back-up, second option for Jenkins at the Nose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 1, 2008 Author Share Posted March 1, 2008 Fine by me. Pouha played very well down the stretch and will be a great back-up, second option for Jenkins at the Nose. I'd rather draft a backup in round 4 (now that we have 2 fourth rounders) than sign a scrub for $2M/yr. This is how teams create cap problems for themselves. You grossly overpay a bunch of these backup/situational type guys (Pouha, Bowens) and think it doesn't add up. Well it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 I'd rather draft a backup in round 4 (now that we have 2 fourth rounders) than sign a scrub for $2M/yr. This is how teams create cap problems for themselves. You grossly overpay a bunch of these backup/situational type guys (Pouha, Bowens) and think it doesn't add up. Well it does. Not when the cap continues to grow $10 million each year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LWC611 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 This year we sign pouah to a 2mil deal but we could pay kendall an additional one last year. I don't get it..... but that is why I am on a message board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 This year we sign poah to a 2mil deal but we could pay kendall an additional one last year. I don't get it..... but that is why I am on a message board All to be able to sign Alan Faneca this weekend, hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 That's honestly ridiculous. Hopefully he can step up (doubtful). Mangini must have plans for him this season behind Jenkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Jet1121 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Are they nuts? His cap # in 2008 was going to be about $600K. What's the matter with them? Did they seriously expect competition for his services, or difficulty in getting him signed, if they offered him a 2 year / $5.4M deal a year from now? This is just unbelievably stupid. We'd better not come in with the second-highest bid by $1M/yr for someone good who would actually start for us. When did the Jets become the New York Yankees overnight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 That's honestly ridiculous. Hopefully he can step up (doubtful). Mangini must have plans for him this season behind Jenkins. He does. Mangini loves Pouha, and I can't blame him because so do I. He's a big body, a good fit as a 34 Nose Tackle and he did nothing but improve as the 2007 season went on. Jenkins won't be in there every play and when he needs a breather, Pouha is there. GOOD depth on the Defensive Line is a good thing. Not this crappy, old, hasbeen depth we've had the past few seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 This year we sign pouah to a 2mil deal but we could pay kendall an additional one last year. I don't get it..... but that is why I am on a message board Nt directed solely at you so nothing personal here: Why do Jets fans refuse to acknowledge that the Kendall situation had nothing to do with his skill as a player or the million dollars. It was about Kendall's presence in the locker room, his clubhouse lawyering and whining and his being a malcontent. He is a cancer that was unceremoniously dumped from other teams for the exact same reason. It hurst us on the field, but I do not think the Jets FO regretted letting him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Are they nuts? His cap # in 2008 was going to be about $600K. What's the matter with them? Did they seriously expect competition for his services, or difficulty in getting him signed, if they offered him a 2 year / $5.4M deal a year from now? This is just unbelievably stupid. We'd better not come in with the second-highest bid by $1M/yr for someone good who would actually start for us. So we pay to keep one of our picks, and that's no good either C'mon dude, can't have it both ways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSFAN5180 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 1, 2008 Author Share Posted March 1, 2008 So we pay to keep one of our picks, and that's no good either C'mon dude, can't have it both ways Nah, it's not that. It's that he isn't a $2M/yr player and there were some players this year who are more than adequate to assume the role of backup NT. Worse still, he was already under contract this year for 1/4 of that amount. Were we really concerned that, after playing 2008 as a backup (yet again), that we would be outbid by someone else if we attempted to give him a 2 year / $5.5M contract? Look, I could be way off. He could be much better than I realize. But I have a hard time believing he wouldn't take $1M/yr b/c so many teams would be after him. He's been in the league 3 years, fully missed one of those 3 years, and in the other two couldn't elevate himself to earning more than 1 start even with a total misfit at NT in both 2005 and 2007. How is he now worth $2M/yr? Cory Williams was franchised & got $6M/yr. So if you overpay 6 players by $1M/yr like this, then you remove enough cap room to pay for a stud from the team. It's the only move they've made so far that I don't like, but it's not earth-shattering. I love what they've done otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Who are you to say he's not a $2m/player If Mangini thinks he is a keeper, then we have our NT tandem locked up for years I'm happy they are proactive with our own players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 1, 2008 Author Share Posted March 1, 2008 Who are you to say he's not a $2m/player If Mangini thinks he is a keeper, then we have our NT tandem locked up for years I'm happy they are proactive with our own players All I was saying is it sounds like a lot of coin for a guy who couldn't beat out two different (bad) starters ahead of him, that I doubted other teams would have out-bid us, and that there was no reason to do this now anyway. I would have waited at least until after the bulk of FA is overwith before throwing around millions to players who area already under contract & hardly in demand. What if Okam or Rubin slipped to our late 4th round pick this year? We'd pass on them b/c we already locked up Pouha. I don't see what the big rush is to do this before FA is a week old or before the draft either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 The thing about interior defensive lineman, is that it normally takes 3-5 years before they become effective clogging up the middle....fat wilfat being the exception Next year we may be looking at this deal as a heist...I like locking up guys with potential early, ie Rhodes (now i know Rhodes is a much more polished player) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan220 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 When did the Jets become the New York Yankees overnight? good question!!!...what worries me is all of the guaranteed money they are handing out to all of these guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Maybe they tried to promise him they would take care of him if he worked hard and continued to improve. Maybe he didn't believe them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Are they nuts? His cap # in 2008 was going to be about $600K. What's the matter with them? Did they seriously expect competition for his services, or difficulty in getting him signed, if they offered him a 2 year / $5.4M deal a year from now? This is just unbelievably stupid. We'd better not come in with the second-highest bid by $1M/yr for someone good who would actually start for us. laughable.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 what this and the Jenkins deal tell me is Dwayne Robertson's days as a NT are done with the Jets-maybe he'll be moved to DE IF he takes a pay cut or hopefully gets traded for more picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Fine by me. Pouha played very well down the stretch and will be a great back-up, second option for Jenkins at the Nose. We are clearly in the minority, but I agree 100% The guy out played D-Rob at the end of last season. I believe that he is going to play very well platooning with Jenkins. They are both real BIG boys, and need to take breathers if they are going to play at a high level. Yes, I believe they might have had trouble resigning him next season. I like the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 1, 2008 Author Share Posted March 1, 2008 The thing about interior defensive lineman, is that it normally takes 3-5 years before they become effective clogging up the middle....fat wilfat being the exception Next year we may be looking at this deal as a heist...I like locking up guys with potential early, ie Rhodes (now i know Rhodes is a much more polished player) Perhaps. Obviously that is a possibility, however unlikely. I would just hate for the Jets & Rhodes to be at an impasse, $1M/yr or so apart, because we gave $6M to Sione Pouha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan220 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Perhaps. Obviously that is a possibility, however unlikely. I would just hate for the Jets & Rhodes to be at an impasse, $1M/yr or so apart, because we gave $6M to Sione Pouha. good point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Perhaps. Obviously that is a possibility, however unlikely. I would just hate for the Jets & Rhodes to be at an impasse, $1M/yr or so apart, because we gave $6M to Sione Pouha. I want the Jets to use the franchise tag on Rhodes and NOT give him a new deal until we HAVE to-franchised players perform with a chip on their shoulders and are always trying to PROVE their worth-this year's money MUST be used to address the gaping holes we saw last year. I'm glad they have done what they've done so far but we still need a veteran LBer or two and a RT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 this money is f'ing ridiculous... this guy has proved next to nothing, has had his heart questioned several times and now he is an integral piece.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 He does. Mangini loves Pouha, and I can't blame him because so do I. He's a big body, a good fit as a 34 Nose Tackle and he did nothing but improve as the 2007 season went on. Jenkins won't be in there every play and when he needs a breather, Pouha is there. GOOD depth on the Defensive Line is a good thing. Not this crappy, old, hasbeen depth we've had the past few seasons. Sione Pouha sucks. Jets can get someone in the 4th round like Red Bryant who's already better for a fraction of the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 1, 2008 Author Share Posted March 1, 2008 Sione Pouha sucks. Jets can get someone in the 4th round like Red Bryant who's already better for a fraction of the price. That's what I was saying. Or at LEAST wait until AFTER the draft before you give a backup player $2M/year. What was the damn rush to do this? If we outright cut Pouha, people would have been less surprised than giving him a $2M/yr extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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