C-Mart28 Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Was watching ESPN First Take and Bob Glauber mentioned how Tannebaum had learned form his mistakes of last years off season, both in FA and in dealing with players, as in the Kendall situation. I think it says alot about this FO that they are willing to admit mistakes and then learn from them, as we are seeing in these first few days of the FA period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Good point. What I'm noticing is that he's going for the gold now. Instead of signing a few $2-3M/yr players hoping that one or more are (good) surprises who play above their expected level, he's getting one player for 3-4x that who you KNOW has been a top player. The reality is there are no total bargains in FA anyway for more than 1 season. Any player who grossly outplays his contract terms is getting a renegotiated deal regardless. And that's IF you strike oil with one. Might as well get the sure thing who's already paid like one when it's at a position of dire need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 I honestly don't know if they made mistakes or just calculated decisions and risks. Looking at what they gave Faneca, I think the reason they didn't pay Kendall is because they were intending on replacing him very soon anyway. I just don't think they thought very highly of Kendall. When Kendall started making a fuss they finally figured they'd just do it a year earlier, hoping that Clarke or Wade Smith could step in as a stopgap. As for spending, it's very clear that their activity in FA this year was planned out long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Good point. What I'm noticing is that he's going for the gold now. Instead of signing a few $2-3M/yr players hoping that one or more are (good) surprises who play above their expected level, he's getting one player for 3-4x that who you KNOW has been a top player. The reality is there are no total bargains in FA anyway for more than 1 season. Any player who grossly outplays his contract terms is getting a renegotiated deal regardless. And that's IF you strike oil with one. Might as well get the sure thing who's already paid like one when it's at a position of dire need. Absolutely; the Jets will gamble in the draft. I expect the team to jump around in the draft in order to get the exact guys it wants. No more Anthony Schlegels for the NYJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Was watching ESPN First Take and Bob Glauber mentioned how Tannebaum had learned form his mistakes of last years off season, both in FA and in dealing with players, as in the Kendall situation. I think it says alot about this FO that they are willing to admit mistakes and then learn from them, as we are seeing in these first few days of the FA period. I have been saying that their biggest mistake was not putting their plan into effect last year because they went 10-6 the first year. That was a bit of a mirage. But the more I think about it, I think maybe they were looking ahead. These guys are calculating and very close-mouthed. They might have looked at their cap number and looked at the FA field and the draft, and decided that last year was not their year. I don't think it is a reach to say that. Tannenbaum is an acknowledged cap guru. They may have decided that they were going to have the money and the players were going to be there this off season. I am not excusing the coaching goofs or the failure to get Vilma and Chad out of the lineup. Those were coaching errors. But they never tell us anything. They never really make excuses. They may actually be moving along according to plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 I honestly don't know if they made mistakes or just calculated decisions and risks. Looking at what they gave Faneca, I think the reason they didn't pay Kendall is because they were intending on replacing him very soon anyway. I just don't think they thought very highly of Kendall. When Kendall started making a fuss they finally figured they'd just do it a year earlier, hoping that Clarke or Wade Smith could step in as a stopgap. As for spending, it's very clear that their activity in FA this year was planned out long ago. Wow--we must have posted around the same time. We will probably be laughed off the board. But these guys are not dummies. I think you are right. Why lock up Kendall when we would have the money for someone like Faneca? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Wow--we must have posted around the same time. We will probably be laughed off the board. But these guys are not dummies. I think you are right. Why lock up Kendall when we would have the money for someone like Faneca? Except the Kendall situation wasn't about an extension or locking him up. It was about a one-time $1M. Once it was obvious they had no one else (and weren't making a play for anyone else and only drafted a RT project), it was foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 i have been a big proponent of re-building the oline as the #1 off-season priority. so far so good. the real test of this regime will be at QB. i want to see what kc can do with a real OL and running game, and when he is not running for his life every play. if the jets roll chadwick out there on openning day again they will not have learned anything from their past mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 They had this plan all along. Like I said for the past year when so many people here were constantly b#tching that Tangini was cheap, rebuilding teams make their FA big splashes in year 3 (which of course is this year). Thats what they have done and I am not surprised one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 I hate to break it to you KC fans, but with a good line, Chad might not be that bad of an option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 They had this plan all along. Like I said for the past year when so many people here were constantly b#tching that Tangini was cheap, rebuilding teams make their FA big splashes in year 3 (which of course is this year). Thats what they have done and I am not surprised one bit. It's poor foresight to plan on outbidding everyone for the top free agent guard. All it takes is one team with even more space to stupidly offer $25M guaranteed and we again end up with nothing great at LG (though I doubt they'd scrape the bottom of the barrel again with a Clarke-type player). Happy it worked out, but there were other teams that really wanted him also. There's a good chance we were a Larry Fitzgerald contract extension away from losing Faneca even with the money we were offering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 It's poor foresight to plan on outbidding everyone for the top free agent guard. All it takes is one team with even more space to stupidly offer $25M guaranteed and we again end up with nothing great at LG (though I doubt they'd scrape the bottom of the barrel again with a Clarke-type player). Happy it worked out, but there were other teams that really wanted him also. There's a good chance we were a Larry Fitzgerald contract extension away from losing Faneca even with the money we were offering. I dont think they said in 2006 that "well Faneca is a free agent a year from now so we'll get him". It was probably just like "we'll go after the top guys at their positions next year and spend the extra money if needed be". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 I hate to break it to you KC fans, but with a good line, Chad might not be that bad of an option you are 100% right, he will be exactly "not that bad" - not good, but not bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awats Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Was watching ESPN First Take and Bob Glauber mentioned how Tannebaum had learned form his mistakes of last years off season, both in FA and in dealing with players, as in the Kendall situation. I think it says alot about this FO that they are willing to admit mistakes and then learn from them, as we are seeing in these first few days of the FA period. Tannenbaum made no mistake with Kendall last year. Kendall and his agent made the mistake in assuming something in a contract that was not there. Kendall also compounded his mistake by airing dirty laundry in public. Kendall got traded because he was no longer an asset to the team and showed that he is not a team player. Kendall was the one who was breaking a signed contract, not the Jets. When they got rid of him, they got rid of what turned out to be a cancer in the locker room and though he continued to play well on the field, he took all the good out of it by patting himself on the back and demanding a renegotiation of his contract in the middle of it. He put Tannenbaum in an untenable situation and in the final analysis, Kendall was traded to Washington. I'm glad he's happy there, but I for one, am glad he's gone and I say again, "Good riddance to bad rubbish". Thanks to Tannenbaum for staying the course. He may ver well learn from his mistakes, but Pete Kendall was not one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny green balls Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Tannenbaum made no mistake with Kendall last year. Kendall and his agent made the mistake in assuming something in a contract that was not there. Kendall also compounded his mistake by airing dirty laundry in public. Kendall got traded because he was no longer an asset to the team and showed that he is not a team player. Kendall was the one who was breaking a signed contract, not the Jets. When they got rid of him, they got rid of what turned out to be a cancer in the locker room and though he continued to play well on the field, he took all the good out of it by patting himself on the back and demanding a renegotiation of his contract in the middle of it. He put Tannenbaum in an untenable situation and in the final analysis, Kendall was traded to Washington. I'm glad he's happy there, but I for one, am glad he's gone and I say again, "Good riddance to bad rubbish". Thanks to Tannenbaum for staying the course. He may ver well learn from his mistakes, but Pete Kendall was not one of them. i think the majority on the board thinks that the jets should've paid kendall his million before it got to the point of being public. i agree that after pete started talking to the press, he had to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Tannenbaum made no mistake with Kendall last year. Kendall and his agent made the mistake in assuming something in a contract that was not there. Kendall also compounded his mistake by airing dirty laundry in public. Kendall got traded because he was no longer an asset to the team and showed that he is not a team player. Kendall was the one who was breaking a signed contract, not the Jets. When they got rid of him, they got rid of what turned out to be a cancer in the locker room and though he continued to play well on the field, he took all the good out of it by patting himself on the back and demanding a renegotiation of his contract in the middle of it. He put Tannenbaum in an untenable situation and in the final analysis, Kendall was traded to Washington. I'm glad he's happy there, but I for one, am glad he's gone and I say again, "Good riddance to bad rubbish". Thanks to Tannenbaum for staying the course. He may ver well learn from his mistakes, but Pete Kendall was not one of them. It wasn't a mistake? The front office looked like a bunch of nickel and diming morons. It's one thing not to pay the guy, but they were spiteful, immature and poorly prepared. It doesn't matter whether you think they should have kept Kendall or if Kendall should have kept his mouth shut, there is no reason they should have been "put in an untenable position" by Pete Kendall. Besides, they knew it was coming from before the draft. It was poorly handled, may have contributed to Moore's one day "hold out" and it does not bode well for the coming Coles situation. Oh and there was no other player capable of playing LG on the roster. i think the majority on the board thinks that the jets should've paid kendall his million before it got to the point of being public. i agree that after pete started talking to the press, he had to go. You can put me in that group, but in my view the virtues of paying Kendall or not paying him is a matter of opinion, but that the situation mishandled is a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Tannenbaum made no mistake with Kendall last year. Kendall and his agent made the mistake in assuming something in a contract that was not there. Kendall also compounded his mistake by airing dirty laundry in public. Kendall got traded because he was no longer an asset to the team and showed that he is not a team player. Kendall was the one who was breaking a signed contract, not the Jets. When they got rid of him, they got rid of what turned out to be a cancer in the locker room and though he continued to play well on the field, he took all the good out of it by patting himself on the back and demanding a renegotiation of his contract in the middle of it. He put Tannenbaum in an untenable situation and in the final analysis, Kendall was traded to Washington. I'm glad he's happy there, but I for one, am glad he's gone and I say again, "Good riddance to bad rubbish". Thanks to Tannenbaum for staying the course. He may ver well learn from his mistakes, but Pete Kendall was not one of them. I agree with you. Jettisoning Kendall was not the mistake. Misassessing Clarke's ability was a fiasco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbon Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 You can look at this as learning from your mistakes or desperately trying to hold onto you job by completely changing your philosophy. There will be no excuses this year. Win or be replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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