The 1 Thing Mangini NEEDS To Do.

[Arsis]

exactly sperm. i don't know why people want to name a starter and then stick with them no matter what just to show that they have balls. that doesn't prove anything and it means that possibly the better of the two QB's is sitting on the bench. if pennington wins the competition then he wins it. if clemens does, it's clemens. that's all i want. the best QB on the roster to be starting. we may not have a brady or manning on the roster, but need to start our best option.

just making a decision for the sake of pleasing the fans and media is foolish.

I hope chad pennington isn't the best qb on our team, That would just mean that we are a going to be mediocre at best and never beat a team with a top ten defense. Never have a come from behind victory. I'll never see a quick score on offense unless the running back break a 60 yard td run which probably means never. It means I have to spend another year of not seeing my favorite team throw the ball longer than 5 yards down field.

[Gainzo]

They had no Oline last season either, and a god-awful defense. My argument was that a team doesn't have to have a great QB in order to win a SB. There are other ways to do it, that was my only point.

I think as of now (before the draft), that the Jets could be anywhere between 7-9 and 11-5 next season. Hell, if we had gotten some bounces to go our way in some of the games this year, we were good enough to finish 6-10 or 7-9.

Teams can get hot and gel at the right time. Look at the Giants of 07, they had a dominate DL. But both their QB and the rest of their defense were avg. at best.

My thoughts are that some Jets fans feel that the team is poised to make a big run in the AFC based on the last week and neglect to think about the QB situation.

Don't get me wrong. The Jets addressed a bunch of needs but the QB is still a question. This is simply my opinion and not a dig at the Jets or the fans.

[BReal32]

I hope chad pennington isn't the best qb on our team, That would just mean that we are a going to be mediocre at best and never beat a team with a top ten defense. Never have a come from behind victory. I'll never see a quick score on offense unless the running back break a 60 yard td run which probably means never. It means I have to spend another year of not seeing my favorite team throw the ball longer than 5 yards down field.

i understand where your coming from but i also know that you aren't exactly the world's largest CP fan. i've openly said before that i am a Chad fan and would love to see him have a resurgence. i'm not saying 2002, but a 2004 type year i could deal with. but if KC wins, then i want him to have breakout year. i really don't care who it is.

but i don't want someone who doesn't outright win the TC competition starting and possibly having a season in which we went out and greatly upgraded our team only to have the whole thing blow up in our faces because Mangini "showed some balls."

[stoicsentry]

Pennington has proven if you give him a good team he can't win a superbowl. Clemens has proven if you give him a ****ty team and the worst o-line in the history of the nfl he is going to win 3 games.

Even if there's a competition for QB, which I'm not opposed to.. it better not be between Kellen and Chad. Chad is earning way too much to possibly be sitting on the bench, and even if he beats out Kellen.. it won't be by much, unless he gained about 30 pounds of arm muscle.

[#27TheDominator]

Trade for a veteran who you know is not capable (ie not good enough of a player) to start a QB controversy.

Mark my words. If Clemens and Chad are on the team next year, it will be a losing season.

woah, where did I say we should trade for a player "incapable of starting"?? I said a player incapable of starting a QB controvery. Somebody like Todd Collins or Kurt Warner. A guy who knows his place as a backup QB and doesnt necessarily need to start to be happy.

I quoted it before and did it again. Hell, I'll bold it for you. We are not sure of Clemens ability as a starter. We have years worth of posts with you ranting that Pennington is not a capable starter and you are claiming you want somebody who is "not good enough of a player" to have a QB controversy? This is to replace Chad who, presumably according to your logic is therefore "good enough of a player" to have a QB controversy. If Clemens is any good he doesn't need to be protected like a bitch. If he does then he's the one we should be dumping.

There are plenty of valid reasons to move Chad, this is not one of them.

[BReal32]

I quoted it before and did it again. Hell, I'll bold it for you. We are not sure of Clemens ability as a starter. We have years worth of posts with you ranting that Pennington is not a capable starter and you are claiming you want somebody who is "not good enough of a player" to have a QB controversy? This is to replace Chad who, presumably according to your logic is therefore "good enough of a player" to have a QB controversy. If Clemens is any good he doesn't need to be protected like a bitch. If he does then he's the one we should be dumping.

There are plenty of valid reasons to move Chad, this is not one of them.

POTW NOM!

i like the points you make. if he's good enough he doesn't need the protection of competing against an imcompetent QB. not having competition only makes you lazy.

[GimmeShelter]

I don't neccesarrily think it is a "Super Bowl or Bust" season for Mangini but I do think that with the moves they have made that they do need to make the playoffs this season.

IMHO: Clemens has had two years now and 8-9 games to get used to the NFL. It is sink or swim time for him. I still think that this whole "Open Competition" is nothing more than a smokescreen to up Pennington's trade value for a draft day deal. We aren't getting a first but if the Jets play their cards right they could end up with a lower third or maybe a 4th.

I would be shocked if Pennington is the starter on opening day.

Agree. Love Chad but don't see Eric going backwards on his decision to make the switch to Clemens last season. Chad could probably get this team to play-off contention but we need to look at big picture and give Kellen the full season.

It definitly sucks to have all these signings and the ability to do whatever we want in the draft yet not be confident at the most important position on the field. Really curious to see how Mangini plays this out and who he brings in if we do trade Chad.

[gangreenman]

My thoughts are that some Jets fans feel that the team is poised to make a big run in the AFC based on the last week and neglect to think about the QB situation.

Don't get me wrong. The Jets addressed a bunch of needs but the QB is still a question. This is simply my opinion and not a dig at the Jets or the fans.

I dont know if its going to be this year or a year or two down the road, but I think now the Jets are definately close at making a run at the AFC. They still have some work to do on the defensive line, the secondary, and some depth at the LB spot would be nice.

They also have Woody at RT, who is for the most part inexperienced at the positions, so that also needs to be sured up at some point. The QB situation is definately a question mark, but I dont think either Chad or Kellen is bad enough to prevent the Jets from making a run if the players around them are good enough.

[jack48]

I SURE HOPE SO, HE'S FROM TEXAS AND THE LAST RECIEVER FROM TEXAS WAS PRETTY GOOD ALSO....Does Roy Williams ring a bell:p:character0282:.....if not we can trade up as usual. hes a big WR? not terrably fast but we need WR especially a young one, because im sick and tired of projects like brad smith, and justin mcdroppins and bitchy coles:box:

Burress isnt that fast either but he somehow manages to get fairly large chunks of yardage. Of course, his QB has an arm

[Barton]

I quoted it before and did it again. Hell, I'll bold it for you. We are not sure of Clemens ability as a starter. We have years worth of posts with you ranting that Pennington is not a capable starter and you are claiming you want somebody who is "not good enough of a player" to have a QB controversy? This is to replace Chad who, presumably according to your logic is therefore "good enough of a player" to have a QB controversy. If Clemens is any good he doesn't need to be protected like a bitch. If he does then he's the one we should be dumping.

There are plenty of valid reasons to move Chad, this is not one of them.

Semantics. Chad will start a QB controversy simply because he's Chad Pennington and the media still thinks he should be our starter.

Its going to be bad for the team when Clemens has 1 or 2 bad games in a row and the "Salvage the season by starting Pennington" media BS causes a sh**storm.

IMO, your QB situation needs to be absolutely clear to everyone (media, players, fans etc etc) for your team to go anywhere. Chad cannot be on this team when the season starts.

[#27TheDominator]

Semantics. Chad will start a QB controversy simply because he's Chad Pennington and the media still thinks he should be our starter.

Its going to be bad for the team when Clemens has 1 or 2 bad games in a row and the "Salvage the season by starting Pennington" media BS causes a sh**storm.

IMO, your QB situation needs to be absolutely clear to everyone (media, players, fans etc etc) for your team to go anywhere. Chad cannot be on this team when the season starts.

Semantics?

Of course your quarterback situation is supposed to be absolutely clear. However, it's supposed to be absolutely clear because you have a good starting QB. You think Chad sucks and your solution is to trade for somebody worse? That's insane. If Clemens and you can't stand up to the media neither of you belongs here. This is New York, if they trade Pennington and Clemens continues to suck they will call for Ratliff. Or Tuiasosopo. If you can't stand the heat get out of hell's kitchen.

[Irish Jet]

Semantics. Chad will start a QB controversy simply because he's Chad Pennington and the media still thinks he should be our starter.

Its going to be bad for the team when Clemens has 1 or 2 bad games in a row and the "Salvage the season by starting Pennington" media BS causes a sh**storm.

IMO, your QB situation needs to be absolutely clear to everyone (media, players, fans etc etc) for your team to go anywhere. Chad cannot be on this team when the season starts.

So basically you want to make Clemens the untouchable starter???

Almost any decent backup QB coukld provide a QB controversy with KC because right now Kellen hasn't proven anything.

The better QB should start. Simple as that.

[NJ]

You can't? What is wrong with you? We have genuises on here who absolutely know KC is no good after 8 games. The same people who probably wrote off Eli Manning after 3 1/2 years, or Aikman after his first 2 years ...

Yeah DM - and more than a few of them. And they're all experts that have played the position and know all the signs of how to pick the great ones. It's easy to do - just look at the HOF website and see all the QB's that came into the league and burned it up from their 1st snap.

[aec4]

He needs to step up to the plate and call his shot. Name Clemens the starter right now, or draft Matt Ryan at #6 if they love him so much.

Going with a Chad vs Clemens competition in camp is a completely gutless move. This team goes nowhere if that happens.

2006, open QB competition = 10-6

2007, Pennington named starter = 4-12.

Not saying there is a coorelation, but it'ssomething to think about.

[JetsFan220]

He needs to step up to the plate and call his shot. Name Clemens the starter right now, or draft Matt Ryan at #6 if they love him so much.

Going with a Chad vs Clemens competition in camp is a completely gutless move. This team goes nowhere if that happens.

true...i think if that does happen and they compete in camp we are going to fall into a situation where as soon as the starter struggles he is pulled and this keeps going until we end up with another 4-12 season

[124]

I'm sorry Barton, as much as I agree with you that Clemens should be the starter, it is not going to happen. The Jets did not just invest $100+ million plus in veterans to name a guy with nine inconsistent NFL starts under his belt the starting Quarterback. Its not going to happen. With a veteran team, this coaching staff is going to give the reigns to their veteran Quarterback. Chad Pennington will be the starting Quarterback in 2008.

[DieHardJetsFan]

I'm sorry Barton, as much as I agree with you that Clemens should be the starter, it is not going to happen. The Jets did not just invest $100+ million plus in veterans to name a guy with nine inconsistent NFL starts under his belt the starting Quarterback. Its not going to happen. With a veteran team, this coaching staff is going to give the reigns to their veteran Quarterback. Chad Pennington will be the starting Quarterback in 2008.

Chad Pennington played like a washed up Quarterback last year, with NO confidence while throwing the ball to the opposing teams CB just about every out route or curl route that he attempted when thrwoing to the sideline. That little problem of Chad started in the preseason and ended in the regular season.

Kellen showed alot of Potential last year, just look at the 2nd half of the Ravens game, that was his 1st start as a starter and showed alot of potential in the pocket. He also played a tough game against one of the toughest D's around in the Pittsburg Steelers, I know it's just the Dolphins but he also put up 40 points on the Dolphins Defense with a QB raiting of 91.7, played a tough game and lost in OT vrs the Redskins, should have Won that game if our WR's were on point, He also pulled out a W vrs the Chiefs the last game of the season in Overtime.

Im telling you, Kellen has the chance of being a solid QB for years to come, no way does this coaching staff spend all this money and put the QB in the hands of a QB who cant stay healthy, and cant stretch the fielf against top 10 Defenses. No way

[124]

Pennington has never had confidence in his long distance or medium distance passing game. He has always thrown the dumpoffs, fades and curls.

There is no chance this coaching staff gives the job to an unexperienced player when their free agent pickups were all in their late 20's and early 30's. The Jets want to win NOW. They will go with the experienced veteran.

I'm a Clemens supporter, but I'm not blind.

[DieHardJetsFan]

They will go with the experienced veteran.

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Yeah right, the Veteran who has had SOLID O-Lines in front of him with Curtis Martin @ RB, and could never stretch the field or beat top 10 defenses.

When we had a young QB last year playing behind Montgomery as the starting LG, and Clement as the starting RT with Thomas Jones in his first year as a Jet.

Im sorry, but the experience that Kellen gained last year will only help this Jets team with him as the QB in 2008.

No way Chad is the starter this season, no way.

[124]

Chad Pennington will be the starting Quarterback of the New York Jets in 2008. Its not what I want to see, but it is what we will be seeing. The Jets are not going to hand over a team full of veterans to a young Quarterback who was inconsistent at best in 2007. Its not going to happen. Sorry.

[rillo]

Chad Pennington will be the starting Quarterback of the New York Jets in 2008. Its not what I want to see, but it is what we will be seeing. The Jets are not going to hand over a team full of veterans to a young Quarterback who was inconsistent at best in 2007. Its not going to happen. Sorry.

This happens all the time in the NFL, I can't see Chad starting unless he beats out Clemens in training camp again.

[124]

This happens all the time in the NFL, I can't see Chad starting unless he beats out Clemens in training camp again.

Which he will. Chad Pennington is the ultimate practice Quarterback.

[Sperm Edwards]

Chad Pennington will be the starting Quarterback of the New York Jets in 2008. Its not what I want to see, but it is what we will be seeing. The Jets are not going to hand over a team full of veterans to a young Quarterback who was inconsistent at best in 2007. Its not going to happen. Sorry.

You mean like Jacksonville with Garrard?

It's quite common.

[Irish Jet]

You mean like Jacksonville with Garrard?

It's quite common.

Garrard >>>> Clemens

Pennington >>>> Leftwich

IMO it's not really close in either scenario.

[Irish Jet]

Also, Garrard was 28 and had been with the Jags a number of years.

Clemens is 24 and still totally unproven.

[Sperm Edwards]

Garrard >>>> Clemens

Pennington >>>> Leftwich

IMO it's not really close in either scenario.

Going into 2007, I don't think too many people thought Garrard was a better starting QB than anyone. Certainly not >>>> better.

It was a risk, and with Quinn Gray as the only backup on the team, was plenty close to the scenario we're going to be in; they didn't merely bump Garrard over Leftwich. They outright released Leftwich. Took some big balls.

Same thing with SD a year before with Rivers. He'd shown nothing since college. Let Brees go & handed him a veteran, playoff team that was (as it turns out) capable of 14 wins.

[DieHardJetsFan]

Also, Garrard was 28 and had been with the Jags a number of years.

Clemens is 24 and still totally unproven.

Exactly, think of how good Kellen can be for this Jets team in 2-3 seasons, not to mention 4