Gainzo Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Last year the Pats went nuts in Free Agency and all I read on JN was that they were desperate and overpaying because they were declining. I heard many Snyder/Redskins references as the Pats were spending like drunken sailors. This year the Jets do the same thing and it's all roses. Can some of the level headed Jets fans please explain this obvious hypocrisy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Last year the Pats went nuts in Free Agency and all I read on JN was that they were desperate and overpaying because they were declining. I heard many Snyder/Redskins references as the Pats were spending like drunken sailors. This year the Jets do the same thing and it's all roses. Can some of the level headed Jets fans please explain this obvious hypocrisy? Hatred and jealousy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted March 6, 2008 Author Share Posted March 6, 2008 Hatred and jealousy? I said level headed! I'll put it this way: As much as I detest the Colts, I respect them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardJetsFan Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Last year the Pats went nuts in Free Agency and all I read on JN was that they were desperate and overpaying because they were declining. I heard many Snyder/Redskins references as the Pats were spending like drunken sailors. This year the Jets do the same thing and it's all roses. Can some of the level headed Jets fans please explain this obvious hypocrisy? It's simple Last year when the Patriots went out and signed players like Moss, Welker, Thomas and Stallworth, we all agreed to disagree and thought that the Patriots were over spending in free agency A 19-1 Season later (The extra W in the 19 is from the offseason) The offseason made it turn from 18-1 to 19-1 And us Jet fans seen that overpaying in free agency can and will improve the team from the year before So now we all agree that the signing of 7 time pro bowler in Faneca is an upgrade over Montgomery as our new starting LG We now agree that the signing of Woody, who has been to the pro bowl on a Patriots SB winning team is an upgrade over "Clement" We now agree that the trade of a 3rd and 5th for Jenkins will help this Jets defense translate from a Herm Edwards 4-3 Defense into a Mangini type of 3-4 Defense And we also agree that the signing of Pace is huge for this 3-4 Defense because he can rush the QB from the outside, help stop the run with his 98 tackles from last year-80 of them being solo tackles for Arizona, drop back in coverage and also keep Bill Parcells and the Dolphins from adding a much needed player We seen how the Patriots overpayed, and now it's our turn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 I said level headed! I'll put it this way: As much as I detest the Colts, I respect them. I'm as level headed as the come, at least in this shade of green. I don't respect the Pats, they're arrogant, shady, and just all around douchebags. Bellicheck is a worm, he sleeps with other people's wives, he tapes other people's signals all with this stupid little grin on his face like "**** you all, I'm getting away with it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetpower10 Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 heh, because we look better doing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stand2nd Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Even though we cry and complain about our team a lot, we're homers. Besides, I've seen a bunch of posts this week complaining about how the Jets are overspending for this player or that player, Pace hasn't performed well for long enough, the other guys are too old, yada, yada yada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted March 6, 2008 Author Share Posted March 6, 2008 It's simple Last year when the Patriots went out and signed players like Moss, Welker, Thomas and Stallworth, we all agreed to disagree and thought that the Patriots were over spending in free agency A 19-1 Season later (The extra W in the 19 is from the offseason) The offseason made it turn from 18-1 to 19-1 And us Jet fans seen that overpaying in free agency can and will improve the team from the year before So now we all agree that the signing of 7 time pro bowler in Faneca is an upgrade over Montgomery as our new starting LG We now agree that the signing of Woody, who has been to the pro bowl on a Patriots SB winning team is an upgrade over "Clement" We now agree that the trade of a 3rd and 5th for Jenkins will help this Jets defense translate from a Herm Edwards 4-3 Defense into a Mangini type of 3-4 Defense And we also agree that the signing of Pace is huge for this 3-4 Defense because he can rush the QB from the outside, help stop the run with his 98 tackles from last year-80 of them being solo tackles for Arizona, drop back in coverage and also keep Bill Parcells and the Dolphins from adding a much needed player We seen how the Patriots overpayed, and now it's our turn Apart from Thomas the Pats didn't overpay anyone last year. Jets fans at the time thought the Pats went nuts but they didn't commit over $65 million in guarantees like the Jets did this year. Woody played center with the Pats and you guys think he is going to be your starting RT? Good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardJetsFan Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Apart from Thomas the Pats didn't overpay anyone last year. Jets fans at the time thought the Pats went nuts but they didn't commit over $65 million in guarantees like the Jets did this year. Woody played center with the Pats and you guys think he is going to be your starting RT? Good luck with that. Well you guys did throw money down the drain with Stalloworth last offseason, where is he now? You all overpayed for Thomas You all had to pay Moss this offseason with a pretty big contract And Welker didnt come to cheap either Maybe you all should have overpayed this offseason, because the loss of Samuel is going to haunt that Patriots "Secondary" all next season Oh yeah, Mangini in no Dummy, he seen Woody start 5 or 6 games for the Lions last year at RT, I think they know what thier doing, good luck with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Because we don't cheat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted March 6, 2008 Author Share Posted March 6, 2008 Well you guys did throw money down the drain with Stalloworth last offseason, where is he now? You all overpayed for Thomas You all had to pay Moss this offseason with a pretty big contract And Welker didnt come to cheap either Maybe you all should have overpayed this offseason, because the loss of Samuel is going to haunt that Patriots "Secondary" all next season Oh yeah, Mangini in no Dummy, he seen Woody start 5 or 6 games for the Lions last year at RT, I think they know what thier doing, good luck with that Thomas was overpaid last year. I agree with that. Moss got less guaranteed money than Bernard Berrian this year. How was Moss overpaid? Welker? The Pats got him for a 4th and 7th round draft pick. Not too bad for a guy who had 112 receptions last season. You guys are giving Woody $11 million in guaranteed money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Thomas was overpaid last year. I agree with that. Moss got less guaranteed money than Bernard Berrian this year. How was Moss overpaid? Welker? The Pats got him for a 4th and 7th round draft pick. Not too bad for a guy who had 112 receptions last season. You guys are giving Woody $11 million in guaranteed money. What is the point of this thread again? to show that the Pats are better than the Jets? Thanks for the update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardJetsFan Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 You guys are giving Woody $11 million in guaranteed money. And Clement could have ended the young career of Kellen Clemens and made Chad retire 11 million dollars was worth it on this one. Woody was signed and clement was CUT-RELEASED-FIRED, For a REASON, like it or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardJetsFan Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 What is the point of this thread again? to show that the Pats are better than the Jets? Thanks for the update. No, I may be wrong, but my belief is that he's a little jealous that the Patriots are losing players like Stallworth (Huge free agent signing by the Patriots last year, had high hopes for the speed burner) Samuel (One of the best CB's in the leauge, the Eagles now have one of the best secondary in all of football thanks to the Patriots) Gay (I believe he's been apart of that Patriots secondary in just about every SB the Patriots have been in) Wilson (Same as Gay) While the Jets are signing players like Faneca, Woody, Pace and Jenkins While the Patriots are buisy this free agency signing thier own players, like Moss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Last year the Pats went nuts in Free Agency and all I read on JN was that they were desperate and overpaying because they were declining. I heard many Snyder/Redskins references as the Pats were spending like drunken sailors. This year the Jets do the same thing and it's all roses. Can some of the level headed Jets fans please explain this obvious hypocrisy? The difference is the Jets really were desperate, and the Pats were all pissy about losing in the AFCCG the previous season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted March 6, 2008 Author Share Posted March 6, 2008 And Clement could have ended the young career of Kellen Clemens and made Chad retire 11 million dollars was worth it on this one. Woody was signed and clement was CUT-RELEASED-FIRED, For a REASON, like it or not Clement sucked, I agree with that. But $11 mill guaranteed for a guy who has played half a season at RT and nearly ate his way out of the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Last year the Pats went nuts in Free Agency and all I read on JN was that they were desperate and overpaying because they were declining. I heard many Snyder/Redskins references as the Pats were spending like drunken sailors. This year the Jets do the same thing and it's all roses. Can some of the level headed Jets fans please explain this obvious hypocrisy? My honest opinion? The Patriots are the best team in the NFL. When the best team goes out and adds players like they did last yr ,people tend to see it as overkill. When a team like the Ny Jets ,who has numerous holes to fill goes out and spends a ton in free agency it's a little different. I don't remember anyone calling the Patriots the Redskins....My honest opinion is you're just throwing that out there so you can call our off season Snyder-like indirectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardJetsFan Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 My honest opinion? The Patriots are the best team in the NFL. When the best team goes out and adds players like they did last yr ,people tend to see it as overkill. When a team like the Ny Jets ,who has numerous holes to fill goes out and spends a ton in free agency it's a little different. I don't remember anyone calling the Patriots the Redskins....My honest opinion is you're just throwing that out there so you can call our off season Snyder-like indirectly. I agree, solid post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted March 6, 2008 Author Share Posted March 6, 2008 My honest opinion? The Patriots are the best team in the NFL. When the best team goes out and adds players like they did last yr ,people tend to see it as overkill. When a team like the Ny Jets ,who has numerous holes to fill goes out and spends a ton in free agency it's a little different. I don't remember anyone calling the Patriots the Redskins....My honest opinion is you're just throwing that out there so you can call our off season Snyder-like indirectly. I'm too lazy to hit the search feature, but JN was on fire last year about the Pats spending like crazy on free agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardJetsFan Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 I'm too lazy to hit the search feature, but JN was on fire last year about the Pats spending like crazy on free agents. "Tank Williams" Best FA signing the Pats made this year, other than thier own player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted March 6, 2008 Author Share Posted March 6, 2008 "Tank Williams" Best FA signing the Pats made this year, other than thier own player Can you read? I said that last year Jets fans were making fun of the Pats for signing free agents. I swear some of you people are mentally challenged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardJetsFan Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Can you read? I said that last year Jets fans were making fun of the Pats for signing free agents. I swear some of you people are mentally challenged. I know what you said, I responded to your original post already I'm just throwing out the fact that the Patriots best FA signing THIS OFFSEASON has been "Tank Williams", other than thier "Own" player. And you seem to be pretty upset about it, calling "Us people, mentally challenged" It's a "what have you done for me now" kinda league, know what I mean bro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted March 6, 2008 Author Share Posted March 6, 2008 I know what you said, I responded to your original post already I'm just throwing out the fact that the Patriots best FA signing THIS OFFSEASON has been "Tank Williams", other than thier "Own" player. And you seem to be pretty upset about it, calling "Us people, mentally challenged" It's a "what have you done for me now" kinda league, know what I mean bro? My original post isn't about this year. It's about last year and Jets fans saying the Pats overpaid. How hard is that to understand? Riddle me this: Have the Jets overpaid for Free Agents this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 My original post isn't about this year. It's about last year and Jets fans saying the Pats overpaid. How hard is that to understand? Riddle me this: Have the Jets overpaid for Free Agents this year? Yes, the Jets have definately overpaid. The difference is the Jets needed to, because the were desperate. The Pats wanted to because the were all pissy about not winning the SB. There's a slight difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jade Green Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 J-E-T-S JETS!!! JETS!!! JETS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardJetsFan Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 My original post isn't about this year. It's about last year and Jets fans saying the Pats overpaid. How hard is that to understand? Riddle me this: Have the Jets overpaid for Free Agents this year? The signing of Faneca who has been to the Pro Bowl 7 times as our starting LG over Montgomery The trade of a 3rd and 5th for Jenkins to anchor out 3-4 D Line instead of "2-Small" Robertson The signing of Pace who can pressure the QB in the 3-4 from the outside, drop back into coverage, play the 4-3 DE position and also play the MLB position in passing situations With the signing of Woody who will replace Clement... Is not "Overpaying" Its filling 4 positions of need with 4 veteran players. Riddle me this: The Jets have not spent money in free agency IN A LONG TIME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Last year the Pats went nuts in Free Agency and all I read on JN was that they were desperate and overpaying because they were declining. I heard many Snyder/Redskins references as the Pats were spending like drunken sailors. This year the Jets do the same thing and it's all roses. Can some of the level headed Jets fans please explain this obvious hypocrisy? CAAAAAUSE.......NOBODY LIKES CHEATERS THAT'S WHY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 My original post isn't about this year. It's about last year and Jets fans saying the Pats overpaid. How hard is that to understand? Riddle me this: Have the Jets overpaid for Free Agents this year? I think we see what the REAL purpose of this thread is. Same old trolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patsyfan Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 I'll give you an honest opinion, JETS SUCK! Pats are winning the superbowl this year. Tank Abbott is the final piece. WOOOO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 I'll give you an honest opinion, JETS SUCK! Pats are winning the superbowl this year. Tank Abbott is the final piece. WOOOO! Tank Abbott? lol, moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AVM Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 The Patriots were criticized because they ALWAYS refused to pay anyone, because they were convinced they could win with Brady, Belichick, Seymour, and a bunch of JAGS elsewhere. When they went out and spent like crazy, traded for recievers like they did, and threw all their old motos out the window, it was undoubtedly because Belichick couldn't stand losing to his most rival team(not the Jets, regardless of what we think)--the Colts. Because of this, the Pats were willing to do anything to get back past the Colts, and this was evident. The Redskins are criticized because not only do they pay big bucks for guys who dont produce, but because they have one playoff win under Snyder, despite the crazy spending every off season. The Jets, on the other hand, never spend. They never go out and get the big time FA or make a trade for the pro-bowler that no longer fits on his current team. Additionally, since Parcells left, the lines are very, very rarely dealt with other than in-house resignings and draft picks. Faneca not only is a huge upgrade, he is the perfect guy you want helping D'brick and Mangold as they continue to improve. Jenkins is the big man the Jets have needed the past couple of seasons to man the NT position. Outside of those two(who the Jets should have gotten regardless of price), they added Woody at RT--mostly due to Mangini's infatuation with former Patriots, and Pace, who obviously they see as a good fit in the system. The Jets do not have the history of the Patriots. Thats why if they want players, they have to overpay. Call it desperate, call it stupid, call it whatever you want. It had to be done, and most Jets fans realize that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Welker? The Pats got him for a 4th and 7th round draft pick. Not too bad for a guy who had 112 receptions last season. I remember it being a 2nd and a 7th (and $11M in the first 2 seasons alone) for a guy who started 3 games in a 3 year career for the Chargers & Dolphins. It certainly worked out in hindsight, but at the time it seemed pretty ridiculous for a guy who was basically a kick returner who fumbled 12x on returns & had two career TD's: one receiving TD in '06 and one KO return TD in '04. Leon Washington had that total just in September of this past year & finished the '07 season with more than twice as many TD's as Welker had in three with Miami/SD. Now imagine someone giving up a 2nd round pick and a contract with like $10M in bonus $ for Leon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Where's Gainzo? Starts the thread then abandons it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Welker? The Pats got him for a 4th and 7th round draft pick. Not too bad for a guy who had 112 receptions last season. Wes Welker? Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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