Jetfan13 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 because now we have a re-vamped o-line, still the draft to look forward to and Baker and Franks as double blocking tight ends...IMO we will play more of a power running game with that blocking scheme and arm strength will have no bearing on Mangini's decision. I think this will be Chads last season with the Jets though and Clemens will be handed the job next season so he had better pay attention this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 because now we have a re-vamped o-line, still the draft to look forward to and Baker and Franks as double blocking tight ends...IMO we will play more of a power running game with that blocking scheme and arm strength will have no bearing on Mangini's decision. I think this will be Chads last season with the Jets though and Clemens will be handed the job next season so he had better pay attention this year I don't see it. I've seen this hypothesis before and it doesn't make sense to me. Chad with two TE sets? Has any TE ever had even a decent season with Chad at QB? For whatever reason, Chad very rarely throws to the TE. He is either hitting WR or throwing HB and FB dumpoffs. Also, if they plan to hand the job to Clemens in '09 there is no reason to go with Chad now. I haven't seen any reason to think they've made up their mind one way or the other on Clemens, but they certainly won't be handing the job to Chad. He'll have to win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 I don't think anyone has the QB job won right now. Now, if they draft a stud WR, a guy with big time speed, and a tall guy also, then maybe they will want to play a vertical game, and maybe then Clemens might have an advantage over Chad. But at this point, no one is the winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 For Chad to be effective, we need the 2 best receiving RBs in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Pennington should not be starting football games. If Clemens is no better, then neither should he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 because now we have a re-vamped o-line, still the draft to look forward to and Baker and Franks as double blocking tight ends...IMO we will play more of a power running game with that blocking scheme and arm strength will have no bearing on Mangini's decision. I think this will be Chads last season with the Jets though and Clemens will be handed the job next season so he had better pay attention this year You're boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHJF Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 I feel it's Clemen's job to lose. The veteran signings are a sign to me that the franchise feels Kellen is the future, and if they afford him ample time in the pocket, a kick ass running game and a stout defense, he'll win football games. It was hard to get a sense of Clemen's ability last season behind that porous OL. Plus they were playing from behind most of the time, so he had no choice but to attempt throws that were iffy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.I.MikeBleedsGreen Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Sorry Al ,But NO Way Chad starts this year ,He can't even start for a college team nowadays.His arm is toast ,he is even having a hard time throwing the dink and dunk routes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Favorite_Toon Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Sorry Al ,But NO Way Chad starts this year ,He can't even start for a college team nowadays.His arm is toast ,he is even having a hard time throwing the dink and dunk routes. Pennington playing is a bad idea... defenses play up on the line and they know he can throw deep to burn them so that cuts off our ability to strike deep.. see if the team knows they cant get burned deep.. then we are already at a disadvantage... I never seen a qb continue to be the starter that isnt exactly good... It shows what our options were... we have nobody that can compete with him.. Clemons is not the answer.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted March 18, 2008 Author Share Posted March 18, 2008 you guys miss my point, we are going to be a running team this year...2 TE's for blocking, not catching..both are good blockers and our mix of runnng backs will be a great switch off I agree we need a new QB, neither Pennington or Clemens is the answer, but I think we change our entirew approach this season and Barton, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 you guys miss my point, we are going to be a running team this year...2 TE's for blocking, not catching..both are good blockers and our mix of runnng backs will be a great switch off I agree we need a new QB, neither Pennington or Clemens is the answer, but I think we change our entirew approach this season and Barton, Damien Woody does not automatically equal a great running game. Neither does a Bubba Franks/Chris Baker combo. Franks and Baker are adequate to good blockers, not Kyle Brady. Who is going to catch the ball? You want to bench Coles or Cotchery for Franks? Richardson and two TEs? I thought our passing game sucked last year. I can only imagine what that will do to it. They would play nine in the box with Favre, Namath or Marino at QB with that lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHJF Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 you guys miss my point, we are going to be a running team this year...2 TE's for blocking, not catching..both are good blockers and our mix of runnng backs will be a great switch off Agreed, but we still have to throw the ball, still need to spread the field to open up the running game. Chad simply doesn't have the ability to do that. Football 101. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted March 18, 2008 Author Share Posted March 18, 2008 until they do something to solidify the passing game, ie sign a big wr or re-sign Coles, I have to believe they are concertrating on the run game. They have built the defense and as we all know, a good defense and a smash mouth offense (Baltimore a # of years ago) wins championships. If you guys are expecting a vertical game think you are gonna be sorely dissappointed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 until they do something to solidify the passing game, ie sign a big wr or re-sign Coles, I have to believe they are concertrating on the run game. They have built the defense and as we all know, a good defense and a smash mouth offense (Baltimore a # of years ago) wins championships. If you guys are expecting a vertical game think you are gonna be sorely dissappointed If Pennington is the QB most of us are going to be sorely disappointed anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 because now we have a re-vamped o-line, still the draft to look forward to and Baker and Franks as double blocking tight ends...IMO we will play more of a power running game with that blocking scheme and arm strength will have no bearing on Mangini's decision. I think this will be Chads last season with the Jets though and Clemens will be handed the job next season so he had better pay attention this year Those same reasons would help a young starting QB. Not sure the logic works. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Those same reasons would help a young starting QB. Not sure the logic works. BZ What I think he means is that our passing offense will be mostly short to intermediate throwing, basically an offense designed for QB's without good arm strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 What I think he means is that our passing offense will be mostly short to intermediate throwing, basically an offense designed for QB's without good arm strength. Problem with that is when the running game isn't working, you're screwed. That and when the 4th quarter roles around and Chad throws his right on time Pick Six to hand the game to the other team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Even LT can't run when you stack the box, you're asking TJ and LW to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Pennington playing is a bad idea... defenses play up on the line and they know he can throw deep to burn them so that cuts off our ability to strike deep.. see if the team knows they cant get burned deep.. then we are already at a disadvantage... I never seen a qb continue to be the starter that isnt exactly good... It shows what our options were... we have nobody that can compete with him.. Clemons is not the answer.. To say Clemens is not the answer and be positive about it is ridiculous. He had no running game, no receivers and pretty bad pass protection, the Dallas game was a perfect example of Kellen's predicament as QB. We were playing from behind, so he felt like he had to do it all by himself, except he had Coles out and Cotchery, until late in the game, was invisible, the Cowboys brought the heat and he overtried, a good running game and a defense that keeps you in the game will do wonders for him, I believe. My main concern is Damien Woody at right tackle, other than that, I believe the line will be fine and we can have a balanced attack, and Kellen can establish a rhythym, which I think is important for any QB, obviously, but especially for him (watch the Raven game and you'll see what I mean) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 If Pennington is the QB most of us are going to be sorely disappointed anyway. amen mr knowledgeable. I do not want that ugly feeling in my gut again like I had last season when I turned the friggin tv OFF because chad was qb. I luv the guy but not behind center during a regular season game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Problem with that is when the running game isn't working, you're screwed. That and when the 4th quarter roles around and Chad throws his right on time Pick Six to hand the game to the other team. That's why it's an incredibly dodgy plan. The point is that he'd rely on Chad more to get our offence going through the air than Clemens. That thing you said about INT's applies to KC too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 That's why it's an incredibly dodgy plan. The point is that he'd rely on Chad more to get our offence going through the air than Clemens. That thing you said about INT's applies to KC too. Kellen threw more picks than Chad last season and less td's. Wonder why Barton doesn't put that in his sig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Kellen threw more picks than Chad last season and less td's. Wonder why Barton doesn't put that in his sig. I have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Kellen threw more picks than Chad last season and less td's. Wonder why Barton doesn't put that in his sig. Points is all that matters, you silly f##k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shutout Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Kellen threw more picks than Chad last season and less td's. Wonder why Barton doesn't put that in his sig. Well,you may have him on the TDs...however for Chad to throw 1 less int when his biggest strength is supposedly his accuracy is hardly anything to brag about/rip Clemens about, especially when that 1 INT difference is that Seymour hit where Clemens got hurt. Not saying Clemens is the answer....Just saying Pennington definitely isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 especially when that 1 INT difference is that Seymour hit where Clemens got hurt. Will people stop using that hit as an excuse for that pick. It was a terrible desicion, terrible throw and maybe the worst pick KC threw all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Well,you may have him on the TDs...however for Chad to throw 1 less int when his biggest strength is supposedly his accuracy is hardly anything to brag about/rip Clemens about, especially when that 1 INT difference is that Seymour hit where Clemens got hurt. Not saying Clemens is the answer....Just saying Pennington definitely isn't. Not really praising Chad. I was just showing the Kellen def had a problem throwing picks last year. He has the gunslinger's mentality like Favre and that's a big reason why a lot of Jets fans are head over heels about him. It's the exact opposite of what Chad is. Unfortunately, when you force alot of bad passes into coverage the INT's are going to start piling up. If you're a Hall of Famer like Favre you can get away with it. We'll see about Kellen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 As long as Chad Pennington is the QB, this offense will never be anything more than mediocre, no matter who the offensive line is and no matter who the RBs are. We can't stretch the field with Pennington or our current WRs. Until we get a deep threat and a new QB, it's 8/9 in the box every down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JohnnyLV Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 because now we have a re-vamped o-line, still the draft to look forward to and Baker and Franks as double blocking tight ends...IMO we will play more of a power running game with that blocking scheme and arm strength will have no bearing on Mangini's decision. I think this will be Chads last season with the Jets though and Clemens will be handed the job next season so he had better pay attention this year So you sacrifice the third year of the QB of the future (who has a four year contract) to give Pennington one more year????? That is just friggin non-sensical. If Kellen is the QB of the future he starts on opening day. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 Kellen threw more picks than Chad last season and less td's. Wonder why Barton doesn't put that in his sig. How many pick sixes did Kellen throw? Chad gave more TDs to the other team than Kellen did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtis Martin 28 Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 because now we have a re-vamped o-line, still the draft to look forward to and Baker and Franks as double blocking tight ends...IMO we will play more of a power running game with that blocking scheme and arm strength will have no bearing on Mangini's decision. I think this will be Chads last season with the Jets though and Clemens will be handed the job next season so he had better pay attention this year Yeah, I posted that Chad will start in the thread I just made. If you read the whole thing, it explains why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 How many pick sixes did Kellen throw? Chad gave more TDs to the other team than Kellen did. I think Clemens threw a couple. One vs the Pats I think there was another but I can't remember. But then there were other things that affected int/td ratio like those dropped TD passes vs Balt that ended up being an int. He had other dropped passes that would have been TD's. I don't recall a single dropped TD pass from CP. Just luck of the draw in that regard; Chad had 2 legit starting WR's and at times Clemens had McCareins & Brad Smith as his #1 and #2 WR's. But in the end they were both lousy. Only thing that makes me give Clemens the nod is potential. He might have some simply because he is (mostly) unknown; Chad is known to have no upside (unless one considers completing 80% of his 0-3 yard passes "upside"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 I think Clemens threw a couple. One vs the Pats I think there was another but I can't remember. But then there were other things that affected int/td ratio like those dropped TD passes vs Balt that ended up being an int. He had other dropped passes that would have been TD's. I don't recall a single dropped TD pass from CP. Just luck of the draw in that regard; Chad had 2 legit starting WR's and at times Clemens had McCareins & Brad Smith as his #1 and #2 WR's. But in the end they were both lousy. Only thing that makes me give Clemens the nod is potential. He might have some simply because he is (mostly) unknown; Chad is known to have no upside (unless one considers completing 80% of his 0-3 yard passes "upside"). Kellen had no chance when he threw the pick against the Pats. I saw that play live and it was ugly. Pennington threw his pick sixes with plenty of time. The Jets/Giants game was on NFL Network the other day and I happened to turn it on when Penny threw a gift to Sam Madison at the end of the 2nd quarter. I didn't see the pick 6 that Penny threw later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 The Jets are going to go 7-9, know why? Pennington will start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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