Tom Rock has the Jets selecting.......

[NY JET 29]

at #6 he has us taking Matt Ryan. This makes absolutely no sense. Our QB situation is not that bad where we have to use #6 on a QB. If we want a QB take Matt Flynn, or Colt Brennan, or Eric Ainge in rounds 6-7.

I want to know how Rock sees the first 5 going, because if we pass on Gholston for Ryan, and leave Gholston to the Pats i'll go nuts.

www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d807681ba

Just go to teams Jets, and you'll see it it's the first one.

[Mistalava]

WTF kind of name is Tom Rock? Related to Long Johnny Wad? He should stick to porn and keep his moronic ideas about football to himself.

[JonEJet]

If he is still there at 6, that means

Gholston

Long

Long

McFadden

and

Dorsey

have been selected. With that said, who is the best player available at that point

It's Ryan, hands down....take best player available

[NY JET 29]

If he is still there at 6, that means

Gholston

Long

Long

McFadden

and

Dorsey

have been selected. With that said, who is the best player available at that point

It's Ryan, hands down....take best player available

If that happens we MUST take Mckelvin, or Jenkins, or Cromartie. I prefer Mckelvin but any of those 3 would be a solid pick.

[will]

If that happens we MUST take Mckelvin, or Jenkins, or Cromartie. I prefer Mckelvin but any of those 3 would be a solid pick.

McKelvin may be faster and ultimately a better pro than Jenkins but Jenkins is much more in the mold of a Mangini defensive player - ie, he is physical and plays stout at the line both in run defense and in press coverage. I havent seen McKelvin play, except in highlight clips. But I dont think Jenkins has the pure physical skills to be taken at #6 (ie, he's not that fast).

[JonEJet]

Waaaaaaaaaaay to early for a CB

[NY JET 29]

Waaaaaaaaaaay to early for a CB

Maybe, but 1. the Pats are gonna go CB, and 2. CB is more of a need then Matt Ryan, or DMC;)

Getting a playmaking CB there solidifies our secondary period.

I also would want to trade to 10 with NO, and then get a CB there, but NO would only do that if Ellis, or Dorsey is there(as expected one will), but taking a CB #6 is fine by me.

[#27TheDominator]

at #6 he has us taking Matt Ryan. This makes absolutely no sense. Our QB situation is not that bad where we have to use #6 on a QB. If we want a QB take Matt Flynn, or Colt Brennan, or Eric Ainge in rounds 6-7.

I want to know how Rock sees the first 5 going, because if we pass on Gholston for Ryan, and leave Gholston to the Pats i'll go nuts.

www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d807681ba

Just go to teams Jets, and you'll see it it's the first one.

If that happens we MUST take Mckelvin, or Jenkins, or Cromartie. I prefer Mckelvin but any of those 3 would be a solid pick.

Our QB situation is probably the thing most likely to cause us to sink or swim this year. Penny looked like **** last year and he had no excuses at all for throwing crunch time INTs. Clemens, if anything, looked worse. Clemens might turn out to be okay, but if they aren't sold why the **** should I be?

CB may be a bigger need and I'm not necessarily in love with Ryan (I try not to watch those carpetbagging ****ers that ran out on the Big East), but you aren't going to sell me on CB being the 6th, 7th and 8th best players available. There is no ****ing way. This team sucked way too hard last year to simply decide we need a corner and take one no matter what.

[joebabyny]

....... This makes absolutely no sense. Our QB situation is not that bad where we have to use #6 on a QB. If we want a QB take Matt Flynn, or Colt Brennan, or Eric Ainge in rounds 6-7.

Well our qb situation is we either have a young player the jets are confident in as a starter or we don't. I think everyone will agree at his age, injury history, and talent Chad is not a long term solution, although he may be a fine short quick fix with this new line in front of him. So if Ryan is available and the jets pass then they feel KC is a valid potential long term prospect. BUT, if they do NOT feel this way about KC, then why in the world would they not address it asap when we have a high draft pick and a competent vet starter for this season for a rookie to play behind.

You can argue for or against KC, personally i think he is not a solid long term starting qb for us, but if the coaching staff believes he is not the right guy for us then it would make perfect sense to draft Ryan if available. Under those circumstances how in the world could anyone feel more comfortable waiting to the 6-7th round to draft the future qb than rolling the dice with a first round pick? Sure there are first round busts, but there are also franchise qb's who were picked in the first, and I would think the odds are better of getting a franchise qb in the first round than there are getting one in round 7.

[joebabyny]

Our QB situation is probably the thing most likely to cause us to sink or swim this year. Penny looked like **** last year and he had no excuses at all for throwing crunch time INTs. Clemens, if anything, looked worse. Clemens might turn out to be okay, but if they aren't sold why the **** should I be?

CB may be a bigger need and I'm not necessarily in love with Ryan (I try not to watch those carpetbagging ****ers that ran out on the Big East), but you aren't going to sell me on CB being the 6th, 7th and 8th best players available. There is no ****ing way. This team sucked way too hard last year to simply decide we need a corner and take one no matter what.

true indeed.

The funny thing is EVERYONE in the media says with all these moves by the jets, it is the qb play that will make us either playoff contenders or bottom of the barrel this year. We went with a high pick cb last year and got a longer term contract with him, I would be fine with skipping that position this year instead of going cb back to back. Figure we are an 8th seed playoff team this year, that gives us a decent mid first round pick next year, a good spot to draft another strong CB at that spot or trading up a little bit, just like we did in the 07 draft. Hopefull top 6 picks will not come our way for a few years so why not capitalize and try to grab the standout franchise qb when we can?

[Irish Jet]

If we're going to take a QB in this draft I want it to be Ryan. I don't rate any of the rest of them. I still think 6 is a little high for him but if it is the move, I'd support it.

[faba]

The Jets pick Ryan at 6 and it would show no confidence by the org in Clemens. They might as well dump him too if that happens.

[Favorite_Toon]

at #6 he has us taking Matt Ryan. This makes absolutely no sense. Our QB situation is not that bad where we have to use #6 on a QB. If we want a QB take Matt Flynn, or Colt Brennan, or Eric Ainge in rounds 6-7.

I want to know how Rock sees the first 5 going, because if we pass on Gholston for Ryan, and leave Gholston to the Pats i'll go nuts.

www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d807681ba

Just go to teams Jets, and you'll see it it's the first one.

Doesnt matter what he thinks..hes the one guy that we didnt even send anyone to see his proday...

[Iceman88]

Doesnt matter what he thinks..hes the one guy that we didnt even send anyone to see his proday...

That could all be smokescreens. Before the draft you can not look into anything that NFL front offices do. It's all smokescreens and trickery, nobody is showing their cards.

[scionce]

here's what i can see happening (NOT saying this WILL happen):

if CP doesn't get traded to the chiefs on draft day and he makes it through TC, then i think he'll be the starter. with the improved O-line, the running game will be much improved and CP will play well enough to get us 10 wins & a playoff berth. at season's end the FO will have a "proven" QB with good trade value, maybe garnering a 3rd rounder; 2nd if we get lucky and the O-line is phenomenal and CP is allowed to stand statuesque back there and pick apart secondaries.

of course, everything at this point is pure speculation, but that would be a sweet scenario considering the talent pool of this years draft.

[NY JET 29]

here's what i can see happening (NOT saying this WILL happen):

if CP doesn't get traded to the chiefs on draft day and he makes it through TC, then i think he'll be the starter. with the improved O-line, the running game will be much improved and CP will play well enough to get us 10 wins & a playoff berth. at season's end the FO will have a "proven" QB with good trade value, maybe garnering a 3rd rounder; 2nd if we get lucky and the O-line is phenomenal and CP is allowed to stand statuesque back there and pick apart secondaries.

of course, everything at this point is pure speculation, but that would be a sweet scenario considering the talent pool of this years draft.

I agree Chad behind this OL, and having a better running game is what makes Chad a QB that gets us into the playoffs.

[Irish Jet]

The Jets pick Ryan at 6 and it would show no confidence by the org in Clemens. They might as well dump him too if that happens.

Agreed. If We do draft Ryan, Clemens is history.

We'd probably be more likely to keep Chad as a stop gap than KC.

[rick34125]

to be fair Tom Rock's position has merit. he says the Jets taking Ryan this year offers insurance if Clemens really turns out to be a bust whereas if he's not then they can recoup a draft pick for Ryan in 2 or 3 years after developing him.

the problem with this is that the Jets offseason moves dont point at taking a franchise QB for 2 or 3 years down the road. even if Ryan were the BAP left at 6 drafting him would do nothing to help the team the way its built now. it may even be counterproductive since there are current needs that could be filled with that draft pick.

our QB situation is what it is, which means drafting a QB this year won't make our QBs better anytime soon. that's why the best way to help our QB situation is to help them win games by building the best team we can around them. a lot of ills will be overlooked with winning. let's not be overly critical of our QBs yet. manning and brady even need good teams around them to win games.

i would say if gholston, long and mcfadden are off the board then the jets will go with either sedrick ellis or a cb, even if its a reach at #6. of course drafting down is the best 1st option.

[MSGold12]

to be fair Tom Rock's position has merit. he says the Jets taking Ryan this year offers insurance if Clemens really turns out to be a bust whereas if he's not then they can recoup a draft pick for Ryan in 2 or 3 years after developing him.

the problem with this is that the Jets offseason moves dont point at taking a franchise QB for 2 or 3 years down the road. even if Ryan were the BAP left at 6 drafting him would do nothing to help the team the way its built now. it may even be counterproductive since there are current needs that could be filled with that draft pick.

our QB situation is what it is, which means drafting a QB this year won't make our QBs better anytime soon. that's why the best way to help our QB situation is to help them win games by building the best team we can around them. a lot of ills will be overlooked with winning. let's not be overly critical of our QBs yet. manning and brady even need good teams around them to win games.

i would say if gholston, long and mcfadden are off the board then the jets will go with either sedrick ellis or a cb, even if its a reach at #6. of course drafting down is the best 1st option.

IF the team feels Ryan is a franchise level QB then they have to take him at 6. I like Clem but if Tangini sees Ryan as a clear upgrade over Clem and a potential star QB, then you take him and worry about it later. Passing up on a star QB to take a CB takes no sense.

I am ot saying Ryan will be a star or if I think he is a franchise type guy...but if tangini thinks so, they cannot pass on him.

[scionce]

to be fair Tom Rock's position has merit. he says the Jets taking Ryan this year offers insurance if Clemens really turns out to be a bust whereas if he's not then they can recoup a draft pick for Ryan in 2 or 3 years after developing him.

the problem with this is that the Jets offseason moves dont point at taking a franchise QB for 2 or 3 years down the road. even if Ryan were the BAP left at 6 drafting him would do nothing to help the team the way its built now. it may even be counterproductive since there are current needs that could be filled with that draft pick.

our QB situation is what it is, which means drafting a QB this year won't make our QBs better anytime soon. that's why the best way to help our QB situation is to help them win games by building the best team we can around them. a lot of ills will be overlooked with winning. let's not be overly critical of our QBs yet. manning and brady even need good teams around them to win games.

i would say if gholston, long and mcfadden are off the board then the jets will go with either sedrick ellis or a cb, even if its a reach at #6. of course drafting down is the best 1st option.

it would have merit if matt ryan were a legitimate franchise QB, but he just happens to be the most NFL ready. QB isn't an issue we need to address this year and if we do, it shouldn't be until the later rounds. and i wouldn't stress WR either, chansi stuckey will be great in the slot. consider also coles'/cotchery's YAC. i think this year, WR & RB are luxury options that aren't necessary to win games. for the record, if gholston, long and mcfadden are off the board, then tangini should trade down and scoop up a CB and one of the other monster LBs like groves. i know a lot of people are hating on me for always picking D, but i like our chances of winning the closer we can get to shutting out (that means no points) the opposing teams.

[aec4]

If that happens we MUST take Mckelvin, or Jenkins, or Cromartie. I prefer Mckelvin but any of those 3 would be a solid pick.

No, we must NOT take reach, reach or reach.

Deal the pick to a QB hungry team. We may be a hungry QB team, but 6 is too early.

[serphnx]

You keep taking QBs until you have a franchise one. If it motivates the ones that are already on the roster, ****ing awesome. If they crumble under the pressure, good riddance. That is why I wanted Clemens to start much earlier than he did, we still don't know what he has. QB is the most important position on the team and dictates the long term success of a franchise. It's too important a position to just dick around with and play loyalties.

[rick34125]

IF the team feels Ryan is a franchise level QB then they have to take him at 6. I like Clem but if Tangini sees Ryan as a clear upgrade over Clem and a potential star QB, then you take him and worry about it later. Passing up on a star QB to take a CB takes no sense.

I am ot saying Ryan will be a star or if I think he is a franchise type guy...but if tangini thinks so, they cannot pass on him.

look dude, no one knows if Ryan is going to be a franchise QB. tangini doesnt have a crystal ball. if he was a bonafide prospect he would be drafted by Parcells or the falcons. but you see nobody is jumping on him. so how can he be a clear upgrade over Clemens when we dont really know how good either QB will prove to be?

this team still needs to find out what kind of QB they have in Clemens and I think they're going to do just that.

if its a choice between Ryan and a cb, take the cb. when all is said and done building a better team now will do more to help the QB position of this team succeed.

[rick34125]

it would have merit if matt ryan were a legitimate franchise QB, but he just happens to be the most NFL ready. QB isn't an issue we need to address this year and if we do, it shouldn't be until the later rounds. and i wouldn't stress WR either, chansi stuckey will be great in the slot. consider also coles'/cotchery's YAC. i think this year, WR & RB are luxury options that aren't necessary to win games. for the record, if gholston, long and mcfadden are off the board, then tangini should trade down and scoop up a CB and one of the other monster LBs like groves. i know a lot of people are hating on me for always picking D, but i like our chances of winning the closer we can get to shutting out (that means no points) the opposing teams.

I disagree with you about WR. We really need a top flight WR and should draft one with our 2nd round pick. I don't have much confidence in Coles beyond a year or 2 and stuckey, who is a good receiver, dropped to the 7th round in last year's draft for a good reason... he's injury prone.

btw, i agree more or less with the implication of the ESPN rankings on WR where they had Coles ranked at 32. Meaning he's not one of the elite WRs, but basically a very good #2. If we had a top flight WR with Coles or Cotchery next to him I think it would be an all-together different offense, especially if our QB has time to throw.

[MasonJet]

If he is still there at 6, that means

Gholston

Long

Long

McFadden

and

Dorsey

have been selected. With that said, who is the best player available at that point

It's Ryan, hands down....take best player available

I'd rather have an auction and trade down with somebody who really needs him like Baltimore, Carolina, or Chicago.

[serphnx]

look dude, no one knows if Ryan is going to be a franchise QB. tangini doesnt have a crystal ball. if he was a bonafide prospect he would be drafted by Parcells or the falcons. but you see nobody is jumping on him. so how can he be a clear upgrade over Clemens when we dont really know how good either QB will prove to be?

this team still needs to find out what kind of QB they have in Clemens and I think they're going to do just that.

if its a choice between Ryan and a cb, take the cb. when all is said and done building a better team now will do more to help the QB position of this team succeed.

Why isn't that reasoning applied to CB? Nobody knows who the studs and busts will be from any draft. It's not just limited to QB, despite what most of JN believes apparently.

How's that franchise can't miss LT of ours working out? I like Brick and think he'll be better this year, but dude so far hasn't been worth a #4 overall.

[Thai Jet]

at #6 he has us taking Matt Ryan. This makes absolutely no sense. Our QB situation is not that bad where we have to use #6 on a QB. If we want a QB take Matt Flynn, or Colt Brennan, or Eric Ainge in rounds 6-7.

I want to know how Rock sees the first 5 going, because if we pass on Gholston for Ryan, and leave Gholston to the Pats i'll go nuts.

www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d807681ba

Just go to teams Jets, and you'll see it it's the first one.

This makes no sense to me. Sorry but Matt Ryan IMO is NOT worth the 6th pick in the draft. The 6th pick should be a can't miss prospect and I don't think that's Ryan. Maybe I'll have a lobotomy and become a sports writer.

[The Troll]

Our QB situation is ****ing horrible.

[Thai Jet]

Our QB situation is ****ing horrible.

So you're saying you WOULD grab Ryan if he's there at #6. You think he's a "can't miss" prospect then?

[rick34125]

Why isn't that reasoning applied to CB? Nobody knows who the studs and busts will be from any draft. It's not just limited to QB, despite what most of JN believes apparently.

How's that franchise can't miss LT of ours working out? I like Brick and think he'll be better this year, but dude so far hasn't been worth a #4 overall.

we all know there are no guarantees, but if you're going to throw the dice it's safer to gamble on CB. a good CB is easier to find in the draft than a good QB.

[Barton]

IF the team feels Ryan is a franchise level QB then they have to take him at 6. I like Clem but if Tangini sees Ryan as a clear upgrade over Clem and a potential star QB, then you take him and worry about it later. Passing up on a star QB to take a CB takes no sense.

I am ot saying Ryan will be a star or if I think he is a franchise type guy...but if tangini thinks so, they cannot pass on him.

Agreed.

[aec4]

I agree, if the Jets think Ryan is a franchise QB... you have to take him and START HIM. If you think he's behind Clemens and/or Pennington right now, then guess what.. he's not the man.

I'm not a believer in this sitting for X years crap. Look at Ben Roethlisberger. He played in year 1. Eli Manning? Year 1. Peyton Manning? Game #1.

[BleedinGreenNC]

If that happens we MUST take Mckelvin, or Jenkins, or Cromartie. I prefer Mckelvin but any of those 3 would be a solid pick.

I would take Cromartie, McKelvin is said to be projected as starting more on special teams as a KR, as compared to a starting CB

[Irish Jet]

I agree, if the Jets think Ryan is a franchise QB... you have to take him and START HIM. If you think he's behind Clemens and/or Pennington right now, then guess what.. he's not the man.

I'm not a believer in this sitting for X years crap. Look at Ben Roethlisberger. He played in year 1. Eli Manning? Year 1. Peyton Manning? Game #1.

Agreed, if we do draft him I at least want to see him on the field for most of his rookie year if not all of it. He'd be coming into a pretty good situation. Not great but not David Carr/Tim Couch type scenario's either.