If Gholston, and Mcfadden(DMC takes away trading options) are gone M.Ryan may....

[NY JET 29]

be a smart pick after all. I was against it, because I wanted to get at least 2 LB's(Or 1 LB, and 1 DE), a CB, and a WR. I figured Ryan would throw my strategy off, but it's not as bad as I think.

Here's the 2 mocks that are in my signature....

Option 1 with Gholston on the board-

#6- Vernon Gholston, OLB.

#36- Brandon Flowers, CB.

4th round A- Jon Goff, ILB.

4th round B- Keenan Burton, WR.

6th round- BA OL for depth.

7th round- Matt Flynn, QB

Option 2 with Gholston, and DMC(takes trading options away) not there-

#6- Leodis Mckelvin, CB.

#36- Cliff Avril, DE.

4th round A- Jon Goff, ILB.

4th round B- Keenan Burton, WR.

6th round- BA OL for depth.

7th round- Matt Flynn, QB.

Here's my mock if we take Ryan-

#6- M.Ryan, QB- A QB who can turn into our franchise QB.

#36- Antoin Cason, CB(If gone go Brandon Flowers, CB, if he's gone go BA CB)- A playmaing corner which makes our secondary very scary to opposing QB's.

4th round A- Jon Goff, ILB- Makes our pass rush very scary, and after this pick Brady sh!ts himself:):)

4th round B- Keenan Burton, WR- A playmaking WR.

6th round- BA DE- Provides depth, or becomes a solid starter, and improves the pash rush even more.

7th round- BA OLman- Mainly for depth.

Basically by taking M.Ryan we still get a playmaking corner, a very good LB to be next to Harris, and really make our pass rush great, and we still get a playmaking WR.

Plus M.Ryan can turn into a very good QB.

Maybe we take B.Brohm instead of Ryan onsidering we had a 4 hour meeting with Brohm.

If Gholston is gone, and we cannot trade out I won't complain if we get Ryan, or Brohm.

I feel more comfortable going into the draft knowing there is still a strong plan if Gholston, and DMC are gone.

[NY JET 29]

be a smart pick after all. I was against it, because I wanted to get at least 2 LB's(Or 1 LB, and 1 DE), a CB, and a WR. I figured Ryan would throw my strategy off, but it's not as bad as I think.

Here's the 2 mocks that are in my signature....

Option 1 with Gholston on the board-

#6- Vernon Gholston, OLB.

#36- Brandon Flowers, CB.

4th round A- Jon Goff, ILB.

4th round B- Keenan Burton, WR.

6th round- BA OL for depth.

7th round- Matt Flynn, QB

Option 2 with Gholston, and DMC(takes trading options away) not there-

#6- Leodis Mckelvin, CB.

#36- Cliff Avril, DE.

4th round A- Jon Goff, ILB.

4th round B- Keenan Burton, WR.

6th round- BA OL for depth.

7th round- Matt Flynn, QB.

Here's my mock if we take Ryan-

#6- M.Ryan, QB- A QB who can turn into our franchise QB.

#36- Antoin Cason, CB(If gone go Brandon Flowers, CB, if he's gone go BA CB)- A playmaing corner which makes our secondary very scary to opposing QB's.

4th round A- Jon Goff, ILB- Makes our pass rush very scary, and after this pick Brady sh!ts himself:):)

4th round B- Keenan Burton, WR- A playmaking WR.

6th round- BA DE- Provides depth, or becomes a solid starter, and improves the pash rush even more.

7th round- BA OLman- Mainly for depth.

Basically by taking M.Ryan we still get a playmaking corner, a very good LB to be next to Harris, and really make our pass rush great, and we still get a playmaking WR.

Plus M.Ryan can turn into a very good QB.

Maybe we take B.Brohm instead of Ryan onsidering we had a 4 hour meeting with Brohm.

If Gholston is gone, and we cannot trade out I won't complain if we get Ryan, or Brohm.

I feel more comfortable going into the draft knowing there is still a strong plan if Gholston, and DMC are gone.

The only difference between all 3 mocks is in option 1(With Gholston there) we get 2 playmaking LB's, a playmaking CB, and a playmkaing WR. In option 2(Without Gholston) we get a very strong playmaking CB, a very good DE that provides great pass rushing skills, a playmaking LB to play next to Harris, and a playmkaing WR. Then in the Ryan/Brohm option we get a potential franchise QB, and we would still get a playmkaing CB, a great LB next to Harris, and a playmaking WR.

If we go, and do one of those 3 mock drafts we will adress all our needs with solid playmakers. Either mock makes our team a MUCH stronger team.

[Irish Jet]

I also wouldn't be too upset if we took Ryan. He's the only QB in this draft I like.

[Ryno the Jet]

[NY JET 29]

I also wouldn't be too upset if we took Ryan. He's the only QB in this draft I like.

I have a gut feeling if we go QB with #6 it will be Brohm. Either one i'm happy with.

[Irish Jet]

I have a gut feeling if we go QB with #6 it will be Brohm. Either one i'm happy with.

Brohm at #6?!?!?!

Are you being serious???

[stoicsentry]

I have a gut feeling if we go QB with #6 it will be Brohm. Either one i'm happy with.

I haven't seen a mock yet which has Brohm going top 10. Doesn't he have a weak arm?

How about Ryan, what kind of QB is this kid? What style? Will he live up to the hype?

[BroadwayJ667]

NYJ 29, i'm not sure whether your made the Decision about Goff because of my campaigning but you have me very happy he's in every mock:yahoo:

but i would suggest watching D. Harvey because are scouting him very heavily in case Gholston is gone and the jets hadn't taken him

[NY JET 29]

NYJ 29, i'm not sure whether your made the Decision about Goff because of my campaigning but you have me very happy he's in every mock:yahoo:

but i would suggest watching D. Harvey because are scouting him very heavily in case Gholston is gone and the jets hadn't taken him

I didn't make my love for Goff on your campaigning lol. I made it, because so many mocks have him in the 4th round, and most to us, and he seems like a great fit next to Harris. I feel Goff must become a NYJ:)

[NY JET 29]

When you look at my mocks in each one our defense becomes top 10 in the NFL. That's what i'm excited about. I'm excited knowing that after the NFL draft our defense will look like a top 10 defense. In each mock we get a playmaking corner, the only changes are do we get 2 LB's, and no DE's, or do we get a LB and a DE? Either way our defense wil be scary good. Also in each one we get a playmaking WR for the offense. And in each one we get depth at either OL, or DL, or both. I prefer my first mock, because I really feel Jenkins, Harris, Pace, Gholston, and Goff would be the best set of pass rushing in the NFL. With those guys we can let go of Thomas's huge contract, or just keep him for depth this year, and dump him next year.

Either mock works for me. Now I just have to find a way to make Tangini agree to one of them:baby:

[aec4]

I think I'll rename your signature reach-o-roma.

[NY JET 29]

I think I'll rename your signature reach-o-roma.

Explain to me who are the reaches in my sig? 1st mock-

Gholston expected very early in the draft, we'll be lucky if he falls to us. Flowers is expected to either go late first(really only to GB) , or early 2nd(right where we are). Goff expected to go in the fourth, and most mocks have us taking him in the fourth. Burton is scattered all around the 4th round. BA OLman, and Flynn are not reaches, because it's the BA OLman in the 6th, and well for Flynn after us there isn't much time for him to get selected.

2nd mock-

If we pass up on Mckelvin he'll go right to the Pats, so he's projected top 10, and that's right where we are. Avril is expected to be the BA DE in round 2, so anyone in round 2 looking for a DE that's who there taking, and in that situation were the first team in need for the BA DE. I have the same reasoning for Goff, Burton, BA OLman, and Flynn as the above.

I don't see any reaches;)

[aec4]

Gholston, in my opinion, is a middle-late first round pick. Because I think differently than most doesn't make me wrong. I hope to god we do not select him, at least not at 6.

McKelvin... WHO!?!?! I don't think I know everything about football, but I know this... if I haven't heard of him, he doesn't belong in the top 6.

So I'll stick with the original thought.. Reach-o-roma.

Honestly, I ignore rounds 2-7, because trying to "mock" those rounds just makes a mockery out of yourself. It's impossible to do and a waste of time.

Explain to me who are the reaches in my sig? 1st mock-

Gholston expected very early in the draft, we'll be lucky if he falls to us. Flowers is expected to either go late first(really only to GB) , or early 2nd(right where we are). Goff expected to go in the fourth, and most mocks have us taking him in the fourth. Burton is scattered all around the 4th round. BA OLman, and Flynn are not reaches, because it's the BA OLman in the 6th, and well for Flynn after us there isn't much time for him to get selected.

2nd mock-

If we pass up on Mckelvin he'll go right to the Pats, so he's projected top 10, and that's right where we are. Avril is expected to be the BA DE in round 2, so anyone in round 2 looking for a DE that's who there taking, and in that situation were the first team in need for the BA DE. I have the same reasoning for Goff, Burton, BA OLman, and Flynn as the above.

I don't see any reaches;)

[NY JET 29]

Gholston, in my opinion, is a middle-late first round pick. Because I think differently than most doesn't make me wrong. I hope to god we do not select him, at least not at 6.

McKelvin... WHO!?!?! I don't think I know everything about football, but I know this... if I haven't heard of him, he doesn't belong in the top 6.

So I'll stick with the original thought.. Reach-o-roma.

Honestly, I ignore rounds 2-7, because trying to "mock" those rounds just makes a mockery out of yourself. It's impossible to do and a waste of time.

If you think Gholston will be around by pick 17 your freaking crazy.

How can you have not heard of Mckelvin? He's the best CB in the draft, and after us at 7 you have the pats who need the BA CB which would be Mckelvin(unless we take him)

[Irish Jet]

Gholston is not a reach at 6.

With his current draft stock it'll be lucky if he gets out of the top 5.

[Irish Jet]

McKelvin... WHO!?!?! I don't think I know everything about football, but I know this... if I haven't heard of him, he doesn't belong in the top 6.

P.S I'm laughing at you, not with you.

[aec4]

If you think Gholston will be around by pick 17 your freaking crazy.

How can you have not heard of Mckelvin? He's the best CB in the draft, and after us at 7 you have the pats who need the BA CB which would be Mckelvin(unless we take him)

Gholston is a workout warrior. Period. I judge based on what I see ON THE FIELD. Workouts do not impress me. I don't care what he can run in a straight line for 40 yds. It makes no difference. When do football players, especially linebackers, run 40 yds in a straight line? When I watched OSU games, I saw a good player.. not a great player. REACH.

Frankly, I don't think who the Pats are going to pick should have ANY bearing on who we are going to pick. WHO CARES. Pick who is best for US. We need a gamebreaker before we need another CB (Unless he can cover a crossing route of course). He's a small school guy right? I tend to shy away from those guys. I tend to think the college recruiters, who do not have a salary cap, know something.

[Arsis]

P.S I'm laughing at you, not with you.

I love all of these draft experts who know exactly who should go where and what type of talent all of these kids really have.

[NY JET 29]

P.S I'm laughing at you, not with you.

DITTO!

[aec4]

P.S I'm laughing at you, not with you.

By the way, who cares.. You're a moron.

[Irish Jet]

Gholston is a workout warrior. Period. I judge based on what I see ON THE FIELD. Workouts do not impress me. I don't care what he can run in a straight line for 40 yds. It makes no difference. When do football players, especially linebackers, run 40 yds in a straight line? When I watched OSU games, I saw a good player.. not a great player. REACH.

The term 'reach' is based on draft stock. Gholston is considered to be a top 7 pick by most so he's not a reach, simple as that.

[aec4]

DITTO!

Yay, moron #2 is laughing at me too.

aren't you the guy who thinks Leon Washington should be a slot receiver? enough said.

[NY JET 29]

Gholston is a workout warrior. Period. I judge based on what I see ON THE FIELD. Workouts do not impress me. I don't care what he can run in a straight line for 40 yds. It makes no difference. When do football players, especially linebackers, run 40 yds in a straight line? When I watched OSU games, I saw a good player.. not a great player. REACH.

Frankly, I don't think who the Pats are going to pick should have ANY bearing on who we are going to pick. WHO CARES. Pick who is best for US. We need a gamebreaker before we need another CB (Unless he can cover a crossing route of course). He's a small school guy right? I tend to shy away from those guys. I tend to think the college recruiters, who do not have a salary cap, know something.

I never said get Gholston,because he's a workout warrior. We shoudl get him, because he is the ideal pass rusher for the 3-4. I never said our pick had anything to do with the Pats. I would only take Mckelvin if Gholsotn is gone, because after Ghoslton our biggest need is CB, and Mckelvin would be a GREAT pick, because him, Revis, and Rhodes makes a GREAT secondary.

Think before you say, because your making no sense!

[aec4]

The term 'reach' is based on draft stock. Gholston is considered to be a top 7 pick by most so he's not a reach, simple as that.

No, the team reach when a person uses it is based on what THAT PERSON thinks of draft stock.

I think Gholston will be a bust at 6... I hope Im wrong, if we take him.. If he's a jet, I'll root for him because I'm a Jets fan, but we need offense... not another Bryan Thomas reach.

[Irish Jet]

Yay, moron #2 is laughing at me too.

aren't you the guy who thinks Leon Washington should be a slot receiver? enough said.

I'm laughing at the fact that you said a player shouldn't be a top 10 pick based on you not having heard of him before.

That is a pathetic reason.

[aec4]

I never said get Gholston,because he's a workout warrior. We shoudl get him, because he is the ideal pass rusher for the 3-4. I never said our pick had anything to do with the Pats. I would only take Mckelvin if Gholsotn is gone, because after Ghoslton our biggest need is CB, and Mckelvin would be a GREAT pick, because him, Revis, and Rhodes makes a GREAT secondary.

Think before you say, because your making no sense!

Im making perfect sense. You went on and on about the Pats taking him. Why mention it then?

Dude, you're entitled to your opinion as much as I am. I think both those picks are major reaches. Sorry.

[StraightCash]

I hear Gholston can cover a crossing route atleast.

[aec4]

I'm laughing at the fact that you said a player shouldn't be a top 10 pick based on you not having heard of him before.

That is a pathetic reason.

Actually, what it shows is that he's done nothing on the FOOTBALL FIELD.

[Irish Jet]

No, the team reach when a person uses it is based on what THAT PERSON thinks of draft stock.

I think Gholston will be a bust at 6... I hope Im wrong, if we take him.. If he's a jet, I'll root for him because I'm a Jets fan, but we need offense... not another Bryan Thomas reach.

A reach in your eyes maybe. But stop criticising others by using that term when he is widely considered to be a top 6 pick.

[aec4]

I hear Gholston can cover a crossing route atleast.

He couldn't be much worse than Revis.

[NY JET 29]

Yay, moron #2 is laughing at me too.

aren't you the guy who thinks Leon Washington should be a slot receiver? enough said.

I never said he should be a slot receiver. I posted that poll, and wanted to hear you guys. All I said was it would be nice to see what he can do there. As a matter of fact I voted to have him there sometimes on short conversions, and to keep the defense on their toes, because when Leon is on the field the defenses don't know what he will do, because he can do anyhting, and there very cautious of him;)

[Irish Jet]

Actually, what it shows is that he's done nothing on the FOOTBALL FIELD.

Have you ever watched him play???

Maybe it just means you're a dumbass. It's funny that I (A moron supposedly) have/had heard of McKelvin.

[NY JET 29]

Im making perfect sense. You went on and on about the Pats taking him. Why mention it then?

Dude, you're entitled to your opinion as much as I am. I think both those picks are major reaches. Sorry.

I mentioned the Pats, because you said 6 was a reach, and I was saying to you if we don't pick him the Pats will at 7, so 6 can't be that much of a reach;)

Pay attention to my post, because your saying things I didn't even say or imply;)

[NY JET 29]

Have you ever watched him play???

Maybe it just means you're a dumbass. It's funny that I (A moron supposedly) have/had heard of McKelvin.

It's also funny that I (A moron as well supposedly) have heard of Mckelvin.

AEC go ask anybody on this site, and they will tell you they know who Leodis Mckelvin is.

[NY JET 29]

No, the team reach when a person uses it is based on what THAT PERSON thinks of draft stock.

I think Gholston will be a bust at 6... I hope Im wrong, if we take him.. If he's a jet, I'll root for him because I'm a Jets fan, but we need offense... not another Bryan Thomas reach.

I know for a fact that Gholston will be MUCH MUCH MUCH better than B.Thomas. Also Gholston will be a better pro than any offensive player in the draft.