The stats don't lie Chad haters.

[NY JET 29]

Kellen Clemens(Only games he started)

@ BAL- 19-37, 51.4pct, 260yards, 7.0avg, 1TD, 2INT, 60.6rating.

VS WAS- 23-42, 54.8pct, 226yards, 5.4avg, 1TD, 0INT, 78.1rating.

VS PIT- 14-31, 45.2pct, 162yards, 5.2avg, 1TD, 1INT, 58.8rating.

@ DAL- 12-27, 44.4pct, 142yards, 5.3avg, 0TD, 1INT, 45.6rating.

@ Miami- 15-24,62.5pct, 236yards, 9.8avg, 1TD, 1INT, 91.7rating.

VS CLE- 24-41, 58.5pct, 286yards, 7.0avg, 0TD, 2INT, 59.6rating.

VS KC- 13-25, 52.0pct, 115yards, 4.6avg, 1TD, 0INT, 77.9rating.

Total- 7GS, 130-250, 52.0pct, 1,529yards, 6.1avg, 5TD, 10INT, 60.9rating.

Chad Pennington(Only games he started, or played more than a half)

I will count week 1, because he played for more than a half, and then some. I will count week 8, because he played into the 4th quarter, and missed 2 drives. I will count week 15, because he only missed a couple of plays.

VS NE- 16 - 21, 76.2pct, 167yards, 8.0avg, 2TD, 0INT, 130.5rating

VS MIA- 15 - 22, 68.2pct, 124yards, 5.6avg, 2TD, 0INT, 112.7rating.

@ BUF- 32 - 39, 82.1pct, 291yards, 7.5avg, 1TD, 2INT, 84.9rating.

@ NYG- 21 -36, 58.3pct, 229yards, 6.4avg, 1TD, 3INT, 51.7rating.

VS PHI- 11 -21, 52.4pct, 128yards, 6.1avg, 0TD, 1INT, 51.3rating.

@ CIN- 20 -31, 64.5pct, 272yards, 8.8avg, 3TD,1INT, 111.2rating.

VS BUF- 13 -20, 65.0pct, 106yards, 5.3avg, 0TD 0INT, 78.3rating.

@ NE- 25 -38, 65.8pct, 184yards, 4.8avg, 0TD 0INT, 77.1rating.

@ TEN- 26 -32, 81.3pct, 264yards, 8.3avg, 1TD 2INT, 85.4rating.

Total- 179-260, 68.8pct, 1,765yards, 6.8avg, 10TD, 9INT, 86.1rating.

Conlcusion- In 7 games started Kellen had only 5TD's. In 9 games started(2 more than Kellen)Chad had 5 more TD's than Kellen. With 250 attempts Kellen had 10 INT's, with 260 attempts(10 more than Kellen)Chad had 9 INT's. Kellen went 3-4 as a starter, Chad went 1-8, but the stats show that the D never helped Chad, when Kellen started the D helped Kellen greatly. Kellen had one game over a 92 rating it was his only game overa 90 rating, and it was to Miami. Chad had 3 games over a 100 rating and in those 3 games his rating was over a 110 rating, and in one game to NE(one of the best defenses last year) Chad had a rating over 130! Chad in all of his totals were a lot better than Kellen. Chad's 86.1 rating kills Kellen's 60.9rating. Chad had only 80 inclompletions(in more games), and Kellen had 120 incompletions in less games. Chad's 68.8pct is a lot btter than Kellen's 52.0pct. Chad had more TD's, and less INT's than Kellen. Chad had 3 games with multi-TD performances, while Kellen had 2. Kellen had 3 games over 220 yards, while Chad had 4 games over 220 yards. Chad had 1 game oer 290 yards, Kellen had none. Chad had 3 games with at least an 8.0avg, while Kellen had 1 game with at least an 8.0 avg, and it was to Miami. It was the oly game out of both QB's to get over a 9.0 rating.

Guys Chad has the better statistics, the only thing Kellen has on Chad is 2 more wins, and 4 less losses, but Kellen had a very strong defense when he played, Chad had a weak defense when he played.

Oh yeah they both played with the same OL.

What i'm getting at is people say Kellen did a lot better than Chad, and that Chad is done. Well the stats say that Chad is more effective than Kellen;)

[#27TheDominator]

The thought of having a QB perform like either of those guys did in '07 is about as appealing as choosing between Herm and Walton in the other thread. Blow to the 'ead or knee to the groin?

[JonEJet]

Any QB behind our pop warner OLine would have sucked last year

I guess we have to give both of them a pass on last season

[Arsis]

Stats don't lie

Wins 3

Wins 1

Guess which one was which.

[CoachTsurfing]

So we should get rid of both of those losers. To be honest. I think a lot has to do with the wr also. You throw him a 10 yard pass and he runs off 40 more yards it's going to look better. Thank goodness we have to wr that can get some yac.

[Favorite_Toon]

Chad has done some excellent things for us.. But I say its just time to go in a different direction... LIke mike irvin says.. I say Mike Cause I actually know him.. When the opposing D knows a guy cant throw down field... They play up and that is such a huge advantage..

[aec4]

When you judge by stats alone, you judge incorrectly, every time. I'm not in Pennington or Clemens camp though. I don't like either at this point in their career.

[aec4]

Chad has done some excellent things for us.. But I say its just time to go in a different direction... LIke mike irvin says.. I say Mike Cause I actually know him.. When the opposing D knows a guy cant throw down field... They play up and that is such a huge advantage..

Been saying this forever and everyone tellls me even chad can lob it up over 8 and 9 men in the box. I've yet to see it, but everyone says he can do it consistently.

[Smizzy]

Chad is horrible and one of the worst starting QB's in the NFL. He couldn't win an AFL championship.

[Arsis]

Chad is horrible and one of the worst starting QB's in the NFL. He couldn't win an AFL championship.

I'm willing to bet Chad Pennington couldn't win a championship at the high school level. Hell, He'd have some pretty stiff competition at the pop warner level.

[billo83]

Stats don't lie

Wins 3

Wins 1

Guess which one was which.

I'd also like to see the 4th quarter stats including QB rating comparing the two. I think we know which one would win that as well.

I like Chad as much as anyone and supported him in the past. But after watching the first Buffalo game last season, it was painfully clear that Chad was done. Buffalo was stacking the box and dared Chad to throw over 10 yards which he couldn't effectively do. Nothing Chad has done since then has changed my opinion. Clemens may not be the answer either, but he outperformed Chad in the 4th qtr and in wins. Chad's shoulder is shot, period.

[DMaynard]

After 6 seasons as a starter, Chad has proven he is not the answer. He can't beat a tough defense. After 8 games as a starter, we don't know if Clemens is the answer. If he does not prove to be this year, they will look for someone else. Why is this so hard to absorb?

[L.I.MikeBleedsGreen]

chad blows

[Irish Jet]

Chad will start week 1.

Bank on it.

[L.I.MikeBleedsGreen]

Chad will start week 1.

Bank on it.

Do you care to Wager vcash on that IJ ??

[scionce]

if he doesn't get traded on draft day, and there's a QB comp in camp, then chad will win and start. it's funny how everyone wants to talk $h!t about the entire O, when a huge amount (if not all) of the blame should be placed on the O-line. you could've put montana, young, elway, or favre back there and the results would have been eerily similar. do any of you know why? because if the blitz is coming and your line doesn't care to block ANYONE, your QB isn't doing squat. especially if there's no running game to speak of, because the line DOESN'T block. with last years O-line, not jim brown, not walter payton, not emmit smith could've rushed for over 1200 and it's a testament to TJ that he amassed over a 1000 ON HIS OWN. there's a reason they call football the ULTIMATE TEAM SPORT, because if one part of the TEAM isn't doing his/its job then the entire operation is susceptible to failure. with a much improved O-line, i'll take chad's ability to pick apart defenses with smart, accurate QB play, especially given that our WRs are YAC-masters.

[dbatesman]

Guys Chad has the better statistics, the only thing Kellen has on Chad is 2 more wins, and 4 less losses

-End thread-

[MTJ06]

"i'll take chad's ability to pick apart defenses with smart, accurate QB play"

in 49 starts since 2002 Chad pennington has thrown 58 TDS, and 49 INts, What is so smart and accurate about that?

[Arsis]

in 49 starts since 2002 Chad pennington has thrown 58 TDS, and 49 INts, What is so smart and accurate about that?

an int a game... lol I bet they were all in the 4th quarter as well.

[MTJ06]

Kellen went 3-4 as a starter, Chad went 1-8, but the stats show that the D never helped Chad, when Kellen started the D helped Kellen greatly.

Guys Chad has the better statistics, the only thing Kellen has on Chad is 2 more wins, and 4 less losses, but Kellen had a very strong defense when he played, Chad had a weak defense when he played.

[MTJ06]

an int a game... lol I bet they were all in the 4th quarter as well.

And barely over a TD per game, If Chad was as smart and accurate as some say you'd think hed be able to get the ball in the end zone more.

[rick34125]

the reality is the organization has to respect Chad and give him a chance at starting unless they trade him, which believe it or not, would leave us in a worse situation at QB. right now they have to be patient with Clemens and see what he brings this year. imo he just has to show he's better not necessarily great and then they can pull a trade with chad and bring in another veteran and draft a qb next year.

[Irish Jet]

Do you care to Wager vcash on that IJ ??

I was hoping Nick would start a thread for that, if so I'd be all in.

[Gainzo]

Here are some stats that don't lie.

Chad Pennington threw 9 INT's on 260 attempts. The following QB's threw less INT's on more attempts.

Tom Brady - 578 attempts - 8 INT

Trent Edwards - 269 attempts - 8 INT

Joey Harrington - 348 attempts - 8 INT

Donovan McNabb - 291 attempts - 7 INT

Cleo Lemon - 309 attempts - 6 INT

Jeff Garcia - 327 attempts - 4 INT

David Garrard - 325 attempts - 3 INT

I wonder how many of the above QB's threw backbreaking pick 6's like Chad?

[Lil Bit Special]

Here are some stats that don't lie.

Chad Pennington threw 9 INT's on 260 attempts. The following QB's threw less INT's on more attempts.

Tom Brady - 578 attempts - 8 INT

Trent Edwards - 269 attempts - 8 INT

Joey Harrington - 348 attempts - 8 INT

Donovan McNabb - 291 attempts - 7 INT

Cleo Lemon - 309 attempts - 6 INT

Jeff Garcia - 327 attempts - 4 INT

David Garrard - 325 attempts - 3 INT

I wonder how many of the above QB's threw backbreaking pick 6's like Chad?

Cleo Lemon and Joey Freakin Harrington???

Wow. Ouch. Chad sucked.

[Lil Bit Special]

After 6 seasons as a starter, Chad has proven he is not the answer. He can't beat a tough defense. After 8 games as a starter, we don't know if Clemens is the answer. If he does not prove to be this year, they will look for someone else. Why is this so hard to absorb?

potw nom.

its a lot more fun to debate than accept reality.

Chad isnt the answer. Clemens is unknown.

[Gainzo]

Cleo Lemon and Joey Freakin Harrington???

Wow. Ouch. Chad sucked.

You left out Trent Edwards.

[Lil Bit Special]

You left out Trent Edwards.

i consider him a mediocre qb... right in chad's league..

but Cleo Lemon??? CMON!! He sucks like no one has sucked before.

His suckiness is only exceeded by DWC.

He is totally suck-ified.

[#27TheDominator]

Here are some stats that don't lie.

Chad Pennington threw 9 INT's on 260 attempts. The following QB's threw less INT's on more attempts.

Tom Brady - 578 attempts - 8 INT

Trent Edwards - 269 attempts - 8 INT

Joey Harrington - 348 attempts - 8 INT

Donovan McNabb - 291 attempts - 7 INT

Cleo Lemon - 309 attempts - 6 INT

Jeff Garcia - 327 attempts - 4 INT

David Garrard - 325 attempts - 3 INT

I wonder how many of the above QB's threw backbreaking pick 6's like Chad?

So, are you saying that Chad is a top 10 quarterback?

[Gainzo]

So, are you saying that Chad is a top 10 quarterback?

Of course.

[Lil Bit Special]

Of course.

whatever you are smoking, please have some delivered to Billerica ASAP.

Thank You.

[PeterNorth09]

Kellen Clemens(Only games he started)

@ BAL- 19-37, 51.4pct, 260yards, 7.0avg, 1TD, 2INT, 60.6rating.

VS WAS- 23-42, 54.8pct, 226yards, 5.4avg, 1TD, 0INT, 78.1rating.

VS PIT- 14-31, 45.2pct, 162yards, 5.2avg, 1TD, 1INT, 58.8rating.

@ DAL- 12-27, 44.4pct, 142yards, 5.3avg, 0TD, 1INT, 45.6rating.

@ Miami- 15-24,62.5pct, 236yards, 9.8avg, 1TD, 1INT, 91.7rating.

VS CLE- 24-41, 58.5pct, 286yards, 7.0avg, 0TD, 2INT, 59.6rating.

VS KC- 13-25, 52.0pct, 115yards, 4.6avg, 1TD, 0INT, 77.9rating.

Total- 7GS, 130-250, 52.0pct, 1,529yards, 6.1avg, 5TD, 10INT, 60.9rating.

Chad Pennington(Only games he started, or played more than a half)

I will count week 1, because he played for more than a half, and then some. I will count week 8, because he played into the 4th quarter, and missed 2 drives. I will count week 15, because he only missed a couple of plays.

VS NE- 16 - 21, 76.2pct, 167yards, 8.0avg, 2TD, 0INT, 130.5rating

VS MIA- 15 - 22, 68.2pct, 124yards, 5.6avg, 2TD, 0INT, 112.7rating.

@ BUF- 32 - 39, 82.1pct, 291yards, 7.5avg, 1TD, 2INT, 84.9rating.

@ NYG- 21 -36, 58.3pct, 229yards, 6.4avg, 1TD, 3INT, 51.7rating.

VS PHI- 11 -21, 52.4pct, 128yards, 6.1avg, 0TD, 1INT, 51.3rating.

@ CIN- 20 -31, 64.5pct, 272yards, 8.8avg, 3TD,1INT, 111.2rating.

VS BUF- 13 -20, 65.0pct, 106yards, 5.3avg, 0TD 0INT, 78.3rating.

@ NE- 25 -38, 65.8pct, 184yards, 4.8avg, 0TD 0INT, 77.1rating.

@ TEN- 26 -32, 81.3pct, 264yards, 8.3avg, 1TD 2INT, 85.4rating.

Total- 179-260, 68.8pct, 1,765yards, 6.8avg, 10TD, 9INT, 86.1rating.

Conlcusion- In 7 games started Kellen had only 5TD's. In 9 games started(2 more than Kellen)Chad had 5 more TD's than Kellen. With 250 attempts Kellen had 10 INT's, with 260 attempts(10 more than Kellen)Chad had 9 INT's. Kellen went 3-4 as a starter, Chad went 1-8, but the stats show that the D never helped Chad, when Kellen started the D helped Kellen greatly. Kellen had one game over a 92 rating it was his only game overa 90 rating, and it was to Miami. Chad had 3 games over a 100 rating and in those 3 games his rating was over a 110 rating, and in one game to NE(one of the best defenses last year) Chad had a rating over 130! Chad in all of his totals were a lot better than Kellen. Chad's 86.1 rating kills Kellen's 60.9rating. Chad had only 80 inclompletions(in more games), and Kellen had 120 incompletions in less games. Chad's 68.8pct is a lot btter than Kellen's 52.0pct. Chad had more TD's, and less INT's than Kellen. Chad had 3 games with multi-TD performances, while Kellen had 2. Kellen had 3 games over 220 yards, while Chad had 4 games over 220 yards. Chad had 1 game oer 290 yards, Kellen had none. Chad had 3 games with at least an 8.0avg, while Kellen had 1 game with at least an 8.0 avg, and it was to Miami. It was the oly game out of both QB's to get over a 9.0 rating.

Guys Chad has the better statistics, the only thing Kellen has on Chad is 2 more wins, and 4 less losses, but Kellen had a very strong defense when he played, Chad had a weak defense when he played.

Oh yeah they both played with the same OL.

What i'm getting at is people say Kellen did a lot better than Chad, and that Chad is done. Well the stats say that Chad is more effective than Kellen;)

Why let something like the truth stop the Kellen d*ckriders?

[Gainzo]

Why let something like the truth stop the Kellen d*ckriders?

The truth is that Chad Pennington has a 7 year body of work in the NFL and has nothing to show for it.

NY JET 29 made this statement:

Kellen had a very strong defense when he played, Chad had a weak defense when he played.

Chad blows. As a Pats fan I hope Chad starts next year.

As a guy who knows a bunch of diehard Jets fans I hope he doesn't.

[Irish Jet]

Looking at those stats for both QB's makes me want Matt Ryan.

[aec4]

Looking at those stats for both QB's makes me want Matt Ryan.

Better pick than Gholston.. However, I want to see Ryan on the field on play #1 if we do select him.