TaborJet Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 March 28, 2008 Refreshing our mock draft Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachTsurfing Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 I think he might be a workout warrior, but he wasn't un-productive in college. He wasn't consistent in college. But, the kid can play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 If there is a chance that he is the next John Abraham (minus the aditude) we have to take the chance. I'd prefer a safer pick, but sometimes you do not get that luxary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 I think he might be a workout warrior, but he wasn't un-productive in college. He wasn't consistent in college. But, the kid can play. Gholston would be an extra-risky pick for the Jets because they will ask him to play in space as an OLB. IMO the Jets will be better off with Harvey or Groves and another pick. In fact I think if the Jets "reach" at #6 it will be for Derrick Harvey rather than a CB or WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 if we take Gholston, we'll be talking about him in the same breath as DRob in 3 years #6, at least for this franchise, right now has to be a SAFE BET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 if we take Gholston, we'll be talking about him in the same breath as DRob in 3 years #6, at least for this franchise, right now has to be a SAFE BET Not even close. We would need to trade our entire draft for a guy that has proved to be a very average player in the NFL. If we do take gholston and he too turns out to be average, it won't be anywhere near as upsetting as what happened with D-rob. Not to mention he would cost much less (comparitvely) than Robertson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Gholston would be an extra-risky pick for the Jets because they will ask him to play in space as an OLB. IMO the Jets will be better off with Harvey or Groves and another pick. In fact I think if the Jets "reach" at #6 it will be for Derrick Harvey rather than a CB or WR. He's a good pass rusher but I see us getting Matt Ryan before him, if available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 He's a good pass rusher but I see us getting Matt Ryan before him, if available. I'm not crazy about Gholston either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Ryan is the guy I want now But the FO HAS to give KC another year to see if he developes Hopefully Ghoston does fall to us, so we can trade down for a team that needs a guy like him, and believes the hype......Don;t want Gholston ending up in NE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 If Ryan and McFadden are gone, we have to take Gholston IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 If Ryan and McFadden are gone, we have to take Gholston IMO. For sure. It looks like Ryan is going to be a great player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 if we take Gholston, we'll be talking about him in the same breath as DRob in 3 years #6, at least for this franchise, right now has to be a SAFE BET Ghoslton would be as 'safe' as anyone IMO. The biggest risk would be one someone like McFadden. Even Ryan would be a risk, QB's always are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 If Ryan and McFadden are gone, we have to take Gholston IMO. So you want Gholston who had crappy stats - but don't want Sweed because? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 RSJ he's a great pass rusher, that's what he's know for. That's also what we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 So you want Gholston who had crappy stats - but don't want Sweed because? Crappy stats??? The guy broke records at Ohio State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Ghoslton would be as 'safe' as anyone IMO. The biggest risk would be one someone like McFadden. Even Ryan would be a risk, QB's always are. McFadden can play any damn position, I'm sure he'll be a stud at one of them at the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Crappy stats??? The guy broke records at Ohio State. . True dat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 So you want Gholston who had crappy stats - but don't want Sweed because? Also, I don't want Sweed because he's way too much of a risk. And WR's are always incredibly risky, espcially that high. If we pick him, expect a Tedd Ginn type reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Also, I don't want Sweed because he's way too much of a risk. And WR's are always incredibly risky, espcially that high. If we pick him, expect a Tedd Ginn type reaction. I dought that. The Dolphins should of selected Quinn for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 RSJ he's a great pass rusher, that's what he's know for. That's also what we need. Yes a good pass rusher that can't play the run and takes plays off. Sound familiar? **cough** John Abraham **cough** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Yes a good pass rusher that can't play the run and takes plays off. Sound familiar? **cough** John Abraham **cough** Can't play the run??? WTF are you talking about??? Have you ever watched him play??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Also, I don't want Sweed because he's way too much of a risk. And WR's are always incredibly risky, espcially that high. If we pick him, expect a Tedd Ginn type reaction. Tedd Ginn? Are you crazy? Ginn is like 5'6" 165. Sweed is a legit future #1 WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Yes a good pass rusher that can't play the run and takes plays off. Sound familiar? **cough** John Abraham **cough** To be honest, I never heard he took plays off like that. That might be a little problem going in on draft day. I still think we should select a offensive playmaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Tedd Ginn? Are you crazy? Ginn is like 5'6" 165. Sweed is a legit future #1 WR. You can never ever be sure with a WR. I said he'd get type of reaction, I never compared them as players. It would be as big a reach stock wise as Ginn was. Sweed in the top 6 is beyond ****ing crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Can't play the run??? WTF are you talking about??? Have you ever watched him play??? http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/vernon-gholston?id=756 Yes I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 You can never ever be sure with a WR. I said he'd get type of reaction, I never compared them as players. It would be as big a reach stock wise as Ginn was. Sweed in the top 6 is beyond ****ing crazy. He is not a big reach imo. I think he will go around 10-15 and if he didn't have the wrist issue he would have been a surefire top 10 pick. Ginn was a second round prospect at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 If we had to take a WR, I'll take Hardy for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Ghoslton is strong vs the run. That article just compares him to Abe at the more for the pass rushing side of things. Can I also add that we desperately, desperately need a John Abraham type player on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 He is not a big reach imo. I think he will go around 10-15 and if he didn't have the wrist issue he would have been a surefire top 10 pick. Ginn was a second round prospect at best. No Ginn was never pojected as a 2 rounder. He was always a 10-15 in the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Ghoslton is strong vs the run. That article just compares him to Abe at the more for the pass rushing side of things. Can I also add that we desperately, desperately need a John Abraham type player on this team. Except for the size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Ghoslton is strong vs the run. That article just compares him to Abe at the more for the pass rushing side of things. Can I also add that we desperately, desperately need a John Abraham type player on this team. The Pats don't employ Abraham types. They want well rounded LB's who don't get by on strictly athletic ability and no technique at all. He can't drop into coverage well either. So why even bother playing him at OLB. You might as well make him a DE. You are gambling a lot on him working hard to develop technique that is very necassary to play OLB in the 3-4 scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 No Ginn was never pojected as a 2 rounder. He was always a 10-15 in the first. My bad, you are right. Still Ginn was a different type of player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LWC611 Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Ryan is the guy I want now But the FO HAS to give KC another year to see if he developes Hopefully Ghoston does fall to us, so we can trade down for a team that needs a guy like him, and believes the hype......Don;t want Gholston ending up in NE We are not going to draft Matt Ryan. It is not going to happen. We did not spend all of that money on the line to put a rookie QB behind it. It will be KC OR CP but it will not be any one else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 The Pats don't employ Abraham types. They want well rounded LB's who don't get by on strictly athletic ability and no technique at all. He can't drop into coverage well either. So why even bother playing him at OLB. You might as well make him a DE. You are gambling a lot on him working hard to develop technique that is very necassary to play OLB in the 3-4 scheme. If he turns out to be a DeMarcus Ware player and we don't pick him. I'll shoot myself. Literally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 The Pats don't employ Abraham types. They want well rounded LB's who don't get by on strictly athletic ability and no technique at all. He can't drop into coverage well either. So why even bother playing him at OLB. You might as well make him a DE. You are gambling a lot on him working hard to develop technique that is very necassary to play OLB in the 3-4 scheme. If you read the article it says Gholston will be perfectly capable of "dropping back into the zone to cover vs. the pass". How the Hell would you play him at End??? In a 3-4??? That article which YOU provided says "he could be an outstanding linebacker at the next level". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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