gangreenman Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 And it's not true. Both are equal parts. In what way? I think I've proven my view fairly well, its your turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted April 3, 2008 Author Share Posted April 3, 2008 In what way? I think I've proven my view fairly well, its your turn. LOL, you haven't proven anything at all. If you sit back in a cover two all day because your corners can't cover you will get burned the way the Colts were all but the year they won it. Do you remember Aarron Beasley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 LOL, you haven't proven anything at all. If you sit back in a cover two all day because your corners can't cover you will get burned the way the Colts were all but the year they won it. Do you remember Aarron Beasley? I havent needed to prove much. The facts speak for themselves. SB WINNERS: 07 GIANTS: front 4 of Strahan Tuck Asmo.... the other foreign name (lol) Secondary: Aaron Ross, Corey Webster 06 COLTS: Front 4 included: Dwight Freeney Robert Mathis Raheem Brock Ed Johnson Secondary: Marlin Jackson, Kelvin Hayden 05 STEELERS: (3-4 team) Front 7 (LB's included) Aaron Smith Casey Hampton Kimo von Olenhoffen OLB Clark Haggans OLB Joey Porter ILB James Farrior ILB Larry Foote Secondary: Ike Taylor, Chris Hope PATRIOTS (forget which year) Front 7 included Ty Warren Richard Seymour Mike Vrabel Teddi Bruschi Willie McGinnist Roosevelt Colvin Secondary: Asante Samuel, Randall Gay, Troy Brown --------- Yeah, theyre just as important, whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 It is a team sport. A well rounded team is better than a team with areas of huge strengths and weaknesses. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 This supposed "myth" has been going on for five years now. There are a lot of ****ty corners wearing Super Bowl rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uart Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Some people here have tried to make the argument that you need a pass rush and it is more important that CB play. I don't buy it since good DB's gives your defense more flexibility with different blitz packages. In real life, perhaps you are right... but in Madden, it is all about the pass-rush. srsly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 How about the myth about height/weight/hip size ratio predicting the success of NFL running backs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 All he is saying is that you need both and you shouldn't pass on aa more talented play to go for the flavor of the week. That's pretty much what I got out of the article. It's a pro-BAP piece written in specifics. Don't get me wrong, pass rush is a critical component to any football team, and the Giants' pass rush was great in Super Bowl XLII. But passing on a first-round corner later this month and reaching for a lower-graded pass rusher instead is dangerous business. There was a thread started in here recently suggesting/asking if we should reach for the next best pass rusher if Long and Gholston are gone. Pat Kirwin is telling you, "no." He'd take the top CB, but he'd probably take DMc before that. I agree with him there. The greatness of Corey Webster isn't worth debating. BTW, Justin Miller/David Barrett and Darelle Revis are more then fine if their task is to hold the receivers in check as the pass rush gets to the QB. I have absolutely no faith in Miller as a CB, and I've never liked Barrett. It's a position in need of an upgrade. I'd prefer it be addressed after the first round, but only if the Jets can find a better player (who fits something of a need) at #6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted April 3, 2008 Author Share Posted April 3, 2008 I havent needed to prove much. The facts speak for themselves. SB WINNERS: 07 GIANTS: front 4 of Strahan Tuck Asmo.... the other foreign name (lol) Secondary: Aaron Ross, Corey Webster 06 COLTS: Front 4 included: Dwight Freeney Robert Mathis Raheem Brock Ed Johnson Secondary: Marlin Jackson, Kelvin Hayden 05 STEELERS: (3-4 team) Front 7 (LB's included) Aaron Smith Casey Hampton Kimo von Olenhoffen OLB Clark Haggans OLB Joey Porter ILB James Farrior ILB Larry Foote Secondary: Ike Taylor, Chris Hope PATRIOTS (forget which year) Front 7 included Ty Warren Richard Seymour Mike Vrabel Teddi Bruschi Willie McGinnist Roosevelt Colvin Secondary: Asante Samuel, Randall Gay, Troy Brown --------- Yeah, theyre just as important, whatever. How come you didn't go back any further than three years ago? And the Pats secondary was pretty good, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 This supposed "myth" has been going on for five years now. There are a lot of ****ty corners wearing Super Bowl rings. And Super Bowl MVP's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Well if a jackass with a journalism degree said it, it's got to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 How come you didn't go back any further than three years ago? And the Pats secondary was pretty good, imo. Do you really want me too? Plus, I dont know, maybe the fact that the past 4 SB winners have all had defenses that had a much better pass rush then secondary would prove that it is not just another "myth" as Kirwan claims it to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 I'm sorry, but the Giants corners were horrific until the pass rush came around. Granted, Aaron Ross was a very good Corner from the get go (I still like to remind all of JN that I was his biggest fan, and even though we ended up with a stud in Revis, it proved much of you Ross haters wrong), but Corey Webster? That guy was a chump. The pass rush made him. If the Jets are in a position to take Gholston, they must. Three pass rushers in Gholston, Pace and Thomas would be ideal, especially if one, god forbid, got hurt. Last year's draft was a good draft for corners overall. Besides Ross and Revis you have Leon Hall, Marcus McCauley (who alot of people thought was going to be a bust) and Chris Houston are all going to be good corners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 How come you didn't go back any further than three years ago? And the Pats secondary was pretty good, imo. B/C further back means before 2004 and the inception of the 5 yard rule which makes the CB position less important. That article you posted I agree with the first two parts. You can't win a Super Bowl with a crap QB and there are plenty of great running backs that come out of the 1st round (Tomlinson, Peterson). The last part about the DB's I don't really agree with at all. Asante Samuel, Champ Bailey, Dre Bly, Rashean Mathis - none of those guys won squat the past couple years. I have a feeling you're publicist working for the Jets FO who's trying to massage us Jets fans into thinking it's a good idea for Mangini to draft another 1st round DB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted April 3, 2008 Author Share Posted April 3, 2008 B/C further back means before 2004 and the inception of the 5 yard rule which makes the CB position less important. It wasn't the inception of any new rule. It was a reemphises of an existing rule. One in which Refs have laid off of since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted April 3, 2008 Author Share Posted April 3, 2008 The last part about the DB's I don't really agree with at all. Asante Samuel, Champ Bailey, Dre Bly, Rashean Mathis - none of those guys won squat the past couple years. Denver's front 7 was prolly the worst in the league last year and like I have said it is a team concept. Just like you can't win with just defense as the Ravens proved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Denver's front 7 was prolly the worst in the league last year and like I have said it is a team concept. Just like you can't win with just defense as the Ravens proved. We already had this argument. The whole "our DB's can play on an island all day long" mentality is obsolete in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted April 3, 2008 Author Share Posted April 3, 2008 We already had this argument. The whole "our DB's can play on an island all day long" mentality is obsolete in the NFL. I've never said they should play on an island all day. If that was the case I would be telling you that dropping 9 is a good idea. You do need DB's who can cover well though for a ton of different reasons. Your problem is you just don't understand football or the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 The last part about the DB's I don't really agree with at all. Asante Samuel, Champ Bailey, Dre Bly, Rashean Mathis - none of those guys won squat the past couple years. Samuel could have ended the superbowl. Dropped an interception when it counted the most. He sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Denver's front 7 was prolly the worst in the league last year and like I have said it is a team concept. Just like you can't win with just defense as the Ravens proved. Yeah, except they did it against the Giants in 2000. Granted, its not easy to get that good of a defense, it may have been the best I've ever seen. So, generally speaking, yes, you need to either have two very good units or one great unit and the other at least average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted April 5, 2008 Share Posted April 5, 2008 Samuel could have ended the superbowl. Dropped an interception when it counted the most. He sucks. He sucked when he dropped that game ending pick (bastard). Overall? Asante got it done. Wasn't he a 3rd or 4th round pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 He sucked when he dropped that game ending pick (bastard). Overall? Asante got it done. Wasn't he a 3rd or 4th round pick? 4th I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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