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Why should they (become pawns in the greedy hands of big business)? Illegals are just scabs.

Big business? Not too many Fortune 500 companies hiring illegals. Construction company foreman drive by home depot and get day laborers by the dozen's waiting to work for less an hour than most of us spent on lunch today.

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Thank you.

Next, lets see Americans take a stand and say 'I'm willing to pay 30-40% more to support this great nation and our citizens'.

The fact that through this recession, Walmart continues to grow proves how ridiculous a concept that is.

I myself own a business and have 8 employees. It's expensive man. Pay them, health insurance, taxes, temps when their out, and no break in taxes to make it easier to employ people. Unfortunately, I don't have the type of business that could benefit from day laborers. :)

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Ok. Then legislate that English must be spoken by everyone in this country. Spit in the face of those freedoms that this country was supposedly all about. Frankly, I speak English, as do everyone I care about, so I really don't give a crap what you do. It doesn't have that much of an affect on me.

But as long as this nation doesn't legislate that, then there's really not much to say.

The only thing that affects me, is if you get rid of all the illegals, then the costs of my goods and services go up, and I work in an educated field, so it's not like there are illegals keeping me from more money. Could I maybe save a few bucks on taxes and healthcare? Perhaps, but would it be enough to offset the rising cost of everything else in my day to day life?

And are my tax dollars, and healthcare costs not inflated by the boomer generation who's outliving their retirment dollars and resources? Is there something I could do about them perhaps?

So, the bottom line is, illegals make everyday life more affordable to me, so I have no problem with them.

Yes, mass euthanization of all of those over 60 (j/k SoJet). But c'mon, those folks have paid into the system for decades. And I get your point about cheaper goods as a result of lesser wages, but the negative impact of illeagals takes away alot of the gain. I think ther eis more of a hit on quality of life in the popluation clusters as well.

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I myself own a business and have 8 employees. It's expensive man. Pay them, health insurance, taxes, temps when their out, and no break in taxes to make it easier to employ people. Unfortunately, I don't have the type of business that could benefit from day laborers. :)

Just out of curiosity, what type of business do you own?

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Your condescending posts really don't affect me. Feel free to keep them up because of hunches you have on other people you know nothing about.

Either way, you've completely dodged the main point. Which is an extremely capitalistic one.

We need these people to continue the life of excess we've come to enjoy.

You want a landscaper to come in and do your yard for cheap, then you need people working below minimum wage or at least for cash so there's no insurance.

You want your factory goods at the same price you've been paying for years, then you need people working below minimum wage or at least for cash again.

This is capitalism at it's best, your cynicism or hatred just doesn't allow you to see it.

Are you ready to pay more money for just about everything you buy? Or, are you ready to admit that maybe illegal immigrants are crucial to your way of life?

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It's just funny to me to call them lazy, when they are working jobs that American's are unwilling to. At least unwilling to work them at the same rate.

The ONLY, ONLY reason illegals are hired is because they are willing to do a job for less money. That's capitalism at it's best.

If American's were willing to take these jobs at the same rate, put in the same hours, work as hard, etc, there would be little to no motivation to hire an illegal.

OK admit it, you have a mancrush on your mom and dads landscaper

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Yes, mass euthanization of all of those over 60 (j/k SoJet). But c'mon, those folks have paid into the system for decades. And I get your point about cheaper goods as a result of lesser wages, but the negative impact of illeagals takes away alot of the gain. I think ther eis more of a hit on quality of life in the popluation clusters as well.

tahst the rub..people oiy of jobs cause hospitals have to close due to no paying cause they legally have to take care of illegals,,I know several doctors who habve had to move due to the hospital they worked out closed due to influx of non paying illegals

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tahst the rub..people oiy of jobs cause hospitals have to close due to no paying cause they legally have to take care of illegals,,I know several doctors who habve had to move due to the hospital they worked out closed due to influx of non paying illegals

There's plenty of uninsured Americans causing this problem as well. Hospitals don't close solely due to illegals. But, yes, it is a problem in our healthcare system.

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There's plenty of uninsured Americans causing this problem as well. Hospitals don't close solely due to illegals. But, yes, it is a problem in our healthcare system.

well every mainstream news orgs, even the liberal ones put the illegals down for virtually all of the hospital closures,,so if u want to use its not 100% illegals fine, but take them out of equation and closures arent a issue.

Like I said I know several docs who effected and they tell me its ALL illegals as reason.

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well every mainstream news orgs, even the liberal ones put the illegals down for virtually all of the hospital closures,,so if u want to use its not 100% illegals fine, but take them out of equation and closures arent a issue.

Like I said I know several docs who effected and they tell me its ALL illegals as reason.

Health Services Research in a brief on Hospital Closures lists the following as examples: inadequate reimbursement, inflation, management problems, organizational structure, societal factors.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1068768

Lets assume that inadequate reimbursement and societal factors are ALL illegals as you propose. Lets ignore the HMOs that cripple doctors everywhere, lets ignore Medicare and Medicaid which pay fractions, lets ignore the poor uninsured or under insured in this country legally. Let's even ignore the skyrocketing cost of malpractice insurance that has made being a doctor a far less profitable vocation than years ago. That still leaves us with issues of inflation, management problems, and organizational structure, which you'd be hard pressed to blame on illegals.

But yeah, lets go with your doctor friends over PubMed, because people have never been known to exaggerate their frustrations when bad things are happening to them.

From another PubMed Article:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10183522

Mayors attributed the closure of their hospitals primarily to governmental reimbursement policies, poor hospital management and lack of physicians. To a lesser extent, they also implicated competition from other hospitals, reputation for poor quality care, lack of provider teamwork, and inadequate hospital board leadership.

From a follow-up PubMed Article:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8285094

RESULTS: Physicians reported government reimbursement policies as the most important reasons for hospital closure, agreeing with the mayors' opinions. Other reasons cited were general financial difficulties, competition from other hospitals, and bad board leadership. More than three-quarters of the physicians surveyed considered the quality of care provided by their facilities to be average or better.

An article listing Nursing Laws as a cause of Hospital Closures:

http://www.allbusiness.com/north-america/united-states-california-metro-areas/736693-1.html

A week after implementation of California s controversial nurse staffing law, which sets specific ratios for the number of nurses that must be on duty at hospitals, it effects were being felt countywide............. "Not a single hospital I have talked to is able to meet the regulation 24 hours a day, seven days a week," said Jim Lott, executive vice president of the Healthcare Association[url=http://www.allbusiness.com/north-america/united-states-california-metro-areas/736693-1.html#] of Southern California.

But yeah, I'm niave.

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Protest stops Tancredo's UNC speech

By Jesse James DeConto - Staff Writer

Published: Wed, Apr. 15, 2009 04:57AM

CHAPEL HILL -- UNC-CH police released pepper spray and threatened to use a Taser on student protesters Tuesday evening when a crowd disrupted a speech by former Colorado congressman Tom Tancredo opposing in-state tuition benefits to unauthorized immigrants.

Hundreds of protesters converged on Bingham Hall, shouting profanities and accusations of racism while Tancredo and the student who introduced him tried to speak. Minutes into the speech, a protester pounded a window of the classroom until the glass shattered, prompting Tancredo to flee and campus police to shut down the event.

Tancredo was brought to campus by a UNC chapter of Youth for Western Civilization, a national organization of students who oppose mass immigration, multiculturalism and affirmative action.

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AFP/Getty Images - Former congressman Tom Tancredo, shown here in 2007, made a hasty getaway from UNC on Tuesday night.

Before the event, campus security removed two women who delayed Tancredo's speech by stretching a 12-foot banner across the front of the classroom. It read, "No dialogue with hate."

Police escorted the women into the hallway, amid more than 30 protesters who clashed with the officers trying to keep them out of the overcrowded classroom. After police released pepper spray and threatened the crowd with a Taser, the protesters gathered outside Bingham Hall.

Police spokesman Randy Young said the pepper spray was "broadcast" to clear the hallway. He said officers' use of force was under investigation by the department.

Inside the classroom, several student protesters screamed curses at Tancredo and Riley Matheson, president of the UNC-Chapel Hill chapter of Youth for Western Civilization.

"This is the free speech crowd, right?" Tancredo joked.

UNC-CH geography professor Alpha Cravey joined protesters in chanting the names of Marco Polo and Christopher Columbus.

But campus visitors and some faculty members in the capacity crowd of 150 urged the students to let Tancredo speak.

"We are the children of immigrants, and this concerns us," said junior Lizette Lopez, 22, vice president of the Carolina Hispanic Association. "So we would at least like to hear what he has to say if you want to hear what we have to say."

The protesters relented, and Tancredo began to speak, describing failed state and federal legislation aimed at providing in-state tuition benefits for undocumented immigrants.

Two women stretched out another banner, first along one of the aisles and then right in front of Tancredo. Tancredo grabbed the middle of the banner and tried to pull it away from one of the girls. "You don't want to hear what I have to say because you don't agree with me," he said.

The sound of breaking glass from behind a window shade interrupted the tug-of-war.

Tancredo was escorted from the room by campus police.

About 200 protesters reconvened outside the building. "We shut him down; no racists in our town," they shouted. "Yes, racists, we will fight, we know where you sleep at night!"

Reached by phone after his departure, Tancredo said he had never been silenced by protesters, even at American University where 400 of them recently attended one of his speeches.

"We're very sorry that former Congressman Tancredo wasn't able to speak," Chancellor Holden Thorp said in a prepared statement. "We pride ourselves on being a place where all points of view can be expressed and heard, so I'm disappointed that didn't happen tonight. I think our Public Safety officers appropriately handled a difficult situation."

Police spokesman Randy Young said he couldn't recall student protesters shutting down another campus event.

"Fascists are fascists," Tancredo said. "Their actions were probably the best speech I could ever give. They are what's wrong with America today. ... When all you can do is yell epithets, that means you are intellectually bankrupt."

UNC graduate student Tyler Oakley, who had organized the protest, said he regretted the broken window but not silencing Tancredo. "He was not able to practice his hate speech," said Oakley. "You have to respect the right of people to assemble and collectively speak."

Lopez said she had mixed emotions about how the event ended.

"We were more interested in an intellectual conversation instead of a shouting match," she said. "Ironically, the people that are trying to get our voices heard silenced us."

Matheson, who formed UNC-YWC this year with seven other conservative students, said he knew Tancredo would be controversial but he never expected this kind of response.

"I didn't expect them to literally chase him out of the building," he said.

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