Latinlawyer Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Soriano to Mets for Cameron/Milledge according to 103.3 in Dallas, Tx. Waiting for ESPN Confirmation. LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Depending on how Milledge turns out, this is a good trade for the short-term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 wow, great trade for the Mets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Soriano is arbitration eligible next year. So that is great news. Is he going to play 2B or CF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Soriano is arbitration eligible next year. So that is great news. Is he going to play 2B or CF? Centerfield I hear the Mets are looking to trade Beltran for a .260 hitter with a low OBP and a high salary......stay tuned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latinlawyer Posted July 28, 2005 Author Share Posted July 28, 2005 Soriano is arbitration eligible next year. So that is great news. Is he going to play 2B or CF? He will play 2b (Sorry meant playing at second base not centerfield). Newly Revamped Lineup... Reyes Beltran Wright Floyd Soriano (2b)bye bye Matsui Piazza Miekenwitz Diaz (new RF) Pitcher Also, I believe the mets will add Sean Casey or Adam Dunn to play 1B.... LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Hold up...you mean he's playing second, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Hold up...you mean he's playing second, right? Why wouldn't he play second? Only the Yankees move good players around to suit average players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrodyMan Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 This trade helps make the Mets a better team now, but this really isn't a good trade. Now it helps because Diaz and Soriano will produce more than Cameron and any other second baseman the Mets put in. At least from an offensive standpoint. Defensively, they are weaker and don't think having Cameron and Beltran next to eachother didn't help their pitching staff. But in the grand scheme of things, Milledge and Cameron will produce more than Soriano will as one player. Mets need to ask themselves: would you rather have Diaz/Cameron and Keppinger, or Soriano and Diaz? I would take the first option. Only thing I am glad about is that Milledge and Cameron are big strikeout guys like Soriano, so the Mets didnt give up actual good production for someone who puts up the glamour stats. That is, of course, if the trade if official. I'm not a huge fan of Soriano, but I guess I can take solace in the fact they didn't give up Heilman, Zambrano, Cameron, and Milledge for him. They just traded tool guys for another tools guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 LL, what do you hear about Casey? IMO, that would be HUUUUUUUGE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Jets & Ham Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 This is a Great trade for the Mets Who really knows what Milledge will become, and Cameron has been expendable since they day the Mets inked Beltran Sori has his trouble with OBP and K's, but he'll also hit you .300/30+ HR's from 2B ... and that's huge He'll also steal 30 bases, score a 100 runs, and drive in 100 as well Heck of a trade for the Mets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latinlawyer Posted July 28, 2005 Author Share Posted July 28, 2005 LL, what do you hear about Casey? IMO, that would be HUUUUUUUGE. There is a Huge rumor that the Mets may get Sean Casey for some minor league pitching prospects (read Petit and/or heilmann) Now, i dont know for sure but I have seen several reports that say Casey is coming to the Mets. However, keep in mind that Adam Dunn may be coming instead of casey...personally..i prefer Casey. LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrodyMan Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 There is a Huge rumor that the Mets may get Sean Casey for some minor league pitching prospects (read Petit and/or heilmann) Now, i dont know for sure but I have seen several reports that say Casey is coming to the Mets. However, keep in mind that Adam Dunn may be coming instead of casey...personally..i prefer Casey. LL You have to take Dunn ahead of Casey. Although Casey strikes out far less, he also walks far less. Dunn gets on-base with power. Casey actually gets on-base less, and has no power. I wouldn't want Dunn, however, because that would mean we'd give up a lot, and no thank you to Casey either. Go for Overbay or a young, 1b prospect. Anything else, just let it slide. Mientz had a rough start, but don't forget, he was in a horrible slump. He will bounce back stronger and he still manages to get on-base, with a stronger glove than any 1b out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 This trade helps make the Mets a better team now, but this really isn't a good trade. Now it helps because Diaz and Soriano will produce more than Cameron and any other second baseman the Mets put in. At least from an offensive standpoint. Defensively, they are weaker and don't think having Cameron and Beltran next to eachother didn't help their pitching staff. But in the grand scheme of things, Milledge and Cameron will produce more than Soriano will as one player. Mets need to ask themselves: would you rather have Diaz/Cameron and Keppinger, or Soriano and Diaz? I would take the first option. Only thing I am glad about is that Milledge and Cameron are big strikeout guys like Soriano, so the Mets didnt give up actual good production for someone who puts up the glamour stats. That is, of course, if the trade if official. I'm not a huge fan of Soriano, but I guess I can take solace in the fact they didn't give up Heilman, Zambrano, Cameron, and Milledge for him. They just traded tool guys for another tools guy. Sweet breakdown, but I'm on board with this deal. Cam is a nice player, but Soriano is better than him, and Milledge's pub reminds me alot of the way they talked about Jay Payton a few years ago. The bottom line is that pitchers now can't take a nap through two-thirds of the line-up anymore. Also consider that Soriano is essentially there to make sure Beltran gets pitches to hit, as Piazza was generally a wasted at-bat most games. IF the Mets add a decent hitter at first base, they could be ready to challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latinlawyer Posted July 28, 2005 Author Share Posted July 28, 2005 I believe Casey is on base more than Dunn and isnt Dunn a strikeout guy? Casey almost never strikes out and hits for more average than Dunn who is a Hr/K guy. What about this...If the Soriano deal is a no go...why dont we call up Anderson Hernandez...The guy is a great 2b fielder and he has a .410 OBP and has only struck out 10 times in his 94 at bats at Norfolk this season. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Sweet breakdown, but I'm on board with this deal. Cam is a nice player, but Soriano is better than him, and Milledge's pub reminds me alot of the way they talked about Jay Payton a few years ago. The bottom line is that pitchers now can't take a nap through two-thirds of the line-up anymore. Also consider that Soriano is essentially there to make sure Beltran gets pitches to hit, as Piazza was generally a wasted at-bat most games. IF the Mets add a decent hitter at first base, they could be ready to challenge. I've heard Daryle Ward as a rumored target and I think he'd be a good fit. Not real expensive and surrounded by better hitters maybe he'd put up better numbers. Definitely an upgrade over what you guys have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 I believe Casey is on base more than Dunn and isnt Dunn a strikeout guy? Casey almost never strikes out and hits for more average than Dunn who is a Hr/K guy. What about this...If the Soriano deal is a no go...why dont we call up Anderson Hernandez...The guy is a great 2b fielder and he has a .410 OBP and has only struck out 10 times in his 94 at bats at Norfolk this season. Just a thought. Please! No Melky Cabrera flame-outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrodyMan Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 I believe Casey is on base more than Dunn and isnt Dunn a strikeout guy? Casey almost never strikes out and hits for more average than Dunn who is a Hr/K guy. That's the big misconception with Dunn...his OBP is overe 390, where Casey is under 360. Dunn strikes out way more, like I said, but he also walks much more than Casey. Casey is a good contact hitter with no power. Dunn, is more of a HR/K/BB guy. Dunn will annoy you as a fan with his strikeouts, but over a course of a season, you'll see that he can do other things offensively that outweigh those K's. Don't look solely at strikeouts: the Red Sox had the most K's in baseball last year, but also scored the most runs or were close to the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Mac Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 I love this deal IF it turns out true. Cameron had been batting over his head and is very overrated in the field. He single-handedly lost us a game in Denver because he stranded 5 runners watching strike 3 go by. Now that his little streak is over he's back to being a liability in the lineup. There's no guarantee Milledge will ever become what Soriano is now. Willie was his mentor in the Bronx, so his attitude shouldn't be a problem. Long time waiting for the confirmation, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 This is a Great trade for the Mets Who really knows what Milledge will become, and Cameron has been expendable since they day the Mets inked Beltran Sori has his trouble with OBP and K's, but he'll also hit you .300/30+ HR's from 2B ... and that's huge He'll also steal 30 bases, score a 100 runs, and drive in 100 as well Heck of a trade for the Mets Soriano will never hit above .300, he stirkes out too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Anybody hear anything confirming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Centerfield I hear the Mets are looking to trade Beltran for a .260 hitter with a low OBP and a high salary......stay tuned. Jeter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackLabelJetsFan Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 The version I heard was Soriano + 2 prospects for Cameron, Milledge, Heilman, and Seo. Either way, its all bs until we see a link or a press release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Jeter? Jeter is hitting .297, atleast get your facts together before you joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Oh great, another strikeout king who can't get on base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackLabelJetsFan Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Oh great, another strikeout king who can't get on base. That was my first reaction too. And a righty hitter with inflated power numbers hitting in a stadium that can eat righty power hitters alive. Great. :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Jeter is hitting .297, atleast get your facts together before you joke Actually Mr. Facts it was a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 That was my first reaction too. And a righty hitter with inflated power numbers hitting in a stadium that can eat righty power hitters alive. Great. :? I don't know. Yankee Stadium is tough on RH hitters HR wise as well and he hit 39 as a Yankee. If the trade happens and Willie utilizes his speed,I like the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomShane Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Bottom line, the Mets get significantly better. Hey, maybe we can thank Steve Phillips again for Kaz Matsui instead of Vlad Guerrero. Thanks Steve! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 I don't know. Yankee Stadium is tough on RH hitters HR wise as well and he hit 39 as a Yankee. If the trade happens and Willie utilizes his speed,I like the deal. Shea Stadium is the WORST park for power hitters in the majors. The WORST. Cavernous stadium, wind usually blowing in to knock down big flies, resulting in boos from the fans, lowered confidence, and terrible production. Gap hitters like John Olerud can thrive if they just decide to go with pitches and not hit it out of the park. But Alfonso Soriano will be awful here, I guarentee it. Do NOT make this move, Omar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Actually Mr. Facts it was a joke. jokes are supposed to be funny... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 jokes are supposed to be funny... Ease up sport. The message was to EB not you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 jokes are supposed to be funny... Dude, it WAS funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Ease up sport. The message was to EB not you. Ease up fellas. The last thing EB needs is 2 men fighting over him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Shea Stadium is the WORST park for power hitters in the majors. The WORST. Cavernous stadium, wind usually blowing in to knock down big flies, resulting in boos from the fans, lowered confidence, and terrible production. Gap hitters like John Olerud can thrive if they just decide to go with pitches and not hit it out of the park. But Alfonso Soriano will be awful here, I guarentee it. Do NOT make this move, Omar. Shea may be bad... but come on... Comerica is just as bad. Bush is bad too, in St Louis. There are plenty of hellhole stadiums in the land, no worries But mostly... Mets fans believe they need a first baseman? well, I've got one! Dmitri Young! You can have him, free of charge. I'll even drive him to the air port. All you have to do is have him sit on your bench or play first. For nothing! I'll even throw in bats and balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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