faba Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 By Dave Wilson This year the AFC West promises to bring forth a wealth of rushing yards. Whoever is the starting back in Denver is almost guaranteed a thousand yard season, and LaMont Jordan looks set for a good year behind a young and talented Raiders offensive line. But the two best rushers in the division are standouts LaDainian Tomlinson from the San Diego Chargers, and Priest Holmes of the Kansas City Chiefs. To compare them and their styles, it is also necessary to look at the players who surround them and the men who coach them. Priest Holmes is a typical Dick Vermeil type player. Vermeil excels at finding players who may not have been big starts at other teams, but who fit his system and the way he wants to play the game. Holmes was acquired from the Baltimore Ravens in 2001 as a free agent. He may have had some success there, gaining 1008 yards in his second season, but never enjoyed anywhere near the success he has had in Kansas. If you can possibly believe it, when Holmes came out of Texas in 1997, he went to Baltimore as an undrafted free agent. When you think how in depth the scouting combines look at players coming out of college, and what Priest Holmes has achieved in his career, it is difficult to comprehend that fact that they missed him, but they did. Although undoubtedly Priest Holmes is a talented back who would have had a measure of success anywhere I truly believe that it is due to Vermeil and his supporting cast that he has become such a huge star in the league. Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanDoug Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 I like Holmes better, but question his durability. My top rated back for 2005 is Willis McGahee. (sorry Curtis) d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 This guy is joking right? LaDainian Tomlinson by a long shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mean Papi Green Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 This guy is joking right? LaDainian Tomlinson by a long shot. indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 This guy is joking right? LaDainian Tomlinson by a long shot. agreed, if for no other reason then the fact that he is much younger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Are you frickin kidding me??? Priest Holmes or L. Tomlinson McDonalds or Steakhouse Tomlinson is better. Without question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tlatoani Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 I take Priest any day, just one reason: TD's Sure our Line is almost perfect is great, but no one can score at a Priest rate, heres one example: Blaylock (your new back up) did ok in priest absence, he had a game last year vs. the saints of 180 plus yards, but he was stopped at the goal line not once but twice. Tomlinson is a great back, some label him as the best in the NFL, but his production in terms of avg yds per carry droped last year below the 4 yds per att. Last year his line played very good, then is some kind of weird, I dont agree with the article, our system didnt make Priest what he is, he, since he joined us, has played with a chip on his shoulder, somebody ruled him out after his season ending injury in 2002, then he play the entire 2003 season with one thing in mind: broke the single season record for TD's, guess what, he broke it. So if I have to choose one i'd pick Priest, blindly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 I'm with LT. All the way. He may not have the same amount of rushing TD's, but he makes up with it for being three dimensional. He can run, block, and catch the ball. He'll run for 1900 yards, get 12 TD's on the ground, catch 80 passes for 1200 yards, and get 8 TD's that way. He's a multi-threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tlatoani Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 I'm with LT. All the way. He may not have the same amount of rushing TD's, but he makes up with it for being three dimensional. He can run, block, and catch the ball. He'll run for 1900 yards, get 12 TD's on the ground, catch 80 passes for 1200 yards, and get 8 TD's that way. He's a multi-threat. Those predictions are for this year??? Wow, it'd be the best seasson for a pro athlete ever!!! Priest can do it all, too, he can run (last year was on pace to rush for 1800 yds with 30td's), he can catch and he blocks extremely well, he do it all, but for me its a coin toss between them, I wouldnt like to be in raiders and donks shoes!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 While both are excellent backs LT is the younger back so I understand why many like him..There is alot to like both as a receiver and RB!! I always look at what players do in big Games like the playoffs or SB!! Neither has a Great Amt of playoff time,but as a starter LT vs the Jets had 80 yds rushing plus another 53 receiving with No TD's! Holmes only playoff Game was vs the 03 Colts where he ran for 176 yds on 24 carries and 2 TD's!! I know I'm the only one, but I like players that score! Holmes had more TD's in 8 games last year then some Backs that played all 16 games!! And unless they change the Rules I'll always go with the player that can score when the chips are down!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 ^^^ True But dont ya think alot of other backs could just as easily put up those TD numbers behind that Chiefs Oline? You dont think Priest is really a better back do you? Who'd you rather have on the Jets, (age not an issue). I'd go with LT 10 times outa 10. Priest, IMO, is the greatest NFL system running back ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Those predictions are for this year??? Wow, it'd be the best seasson for a pro athlete ever!!! Priest can do it all, too, he can run (last year was on pace to rush for 1800 yds with 30td's), he can catch and he blocks extremely well, he do it all, but for me its a coin toss between them, I wouldnt like to be in raiders and donks shoes!!! Not predictions. He's done them. The rushing may be closer to 1500 yards, but LT's done that. LT is the best back in the game. And, he's not a health risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 ^^^ True But dont ya think alot of other backs could just as easily put up those TD numbers behind that Chiefs Oline? You dont think Priest is really a better back do you? Who'd you rather have on the Jets, (age not an issue). I'd go with LT 10 times outa 10. Priest, IMO, is the greatest NFL system running back ever. With the Age factor you go with LT..If they were both the same age I'd take a undrafted back like Priest over the more expensive LT! Do you think Martin would have scored 62 TD's in 2 and 1/2 seasons running behind KC's Line?? Martin has 53 since he's been a Jet thats a avg of less then 7 a year! Now LT or Portis and some others may have done some impressive totals..But until they do Priest is a TD machine!! Plus he came up big in his 1 playoff game with 176 yds and 2 TD's! :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meddle Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Tomlinson in a landslide. Holmes is a fine back to be sure, but he's now beaten up and always had a better line to run behind. LT is now in his own class. There's LT and then everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xcel2NuFX Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 LT will be a hall of famer when hes done Priest Holmes will only be remembered as a fantasy football stud. Talent wise LT is far and above the best running back in the NFL problably since Barry Sanders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 This reminds me of the old Emmitt Smith vs. Barry Sanders debate. Except this one isn't as heated because it's is even more blatantly obvious, since there is no glare off Priest Holmes' non-existent Super Bowl rings. It's LT by far. Priest puts up great numbers behind the best offensive line in the league, plus he hasn't been healthy in over 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 If they were both the same age I would take priest. But since they are not you have to go with LT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meddle Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 If they were both the same age I would take priest. But since they are not you have to go with LT. Age? Holmes was not even a starter at a young age. Not the comparison to make if you are arguing for Holmes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Age? Holmes was not even a starter at a young age. Not the comparison to make if you are arguing for Holmes. If you are taling about just for this year I would take Holmes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Age? Holmes was not even a starter at a young age. Not the comparison to make if you are arguing for Holmes. The Point is did he have the Talent at a young age?? Yes he did, just because they didn't start him didn't mean he had no talent as a rookie! Steve Young didn't start with the 49's his first year..And he was a starter in the WFL! Penny didn't start here we had Vinny, same with Lamont and Cumar! The Reason I'd take Priest over LT was the Money angle..LT was the 5th player chosen in the first rd! Holmes was undrafted..Keep in mind we are all doing this on Hindsight..So to me the best bang for the Buck would be the production of a cheap Holmes compared to a real expensive LT!!:wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 LT is the better back. Holmes has the better O-line... If LT was in KC...he would be Priest Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 LT is the better back. Holmes has the better O-line... If LT was in KC...he would be Priest Holmes No doubt KC has the best Line..Holmes as a backup with the Ravens avg a TD every 45 carries..Once he went to the Chiefs he averages a TD every 16 carries..It helps to be the starter though..Hmmm lets see what our departed backup Lamont did ..A TD every 26 carries..And of course the Great God like RB whose name shall not be mentioned avg a TD every 44 carries!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 No doubt KC has the best Line..Holmes as a backup with the Ravens avg a TD every 45 carries..Once he went to the Chiefs he averages a TD every 16 carries..It helps to be the starter though..Hmmm lets see what our departed backup Lamont did ..A TD every 26 carries..And of course the Great God like RB whose name shall not be mentioned avg a TD every 44 carries!! Never ceases to amaze me. A thread about Priest and LT turns into Lamont vs Curtis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Never ceases to amaze me. A thread about Priest and LT turns into Lamont vs Curtis. So you rather I use another Team?? I do it because it drives the Martinette's crazy!! Although in your case EB it wouldn't be a Drive..A short Putt would do!! PS..LT averages a TD every 25 carries!! :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 So you rather I use another Team?? I do it because it drives the Martinette's crazy!! Although in your case EB it wouldn't be a Drive..A short Putt would do!! PS..LT averages a TD every 25 carries!! :wink: I'm not even a big Martin fan, I have bashed him many times and criticized him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 I'm not even a big Martin fan, I have bashed him many times and criticized him. Well then EB your on your way to understanding Football and Value players! Here's a example.. Someone on JI said when Martin retires we will never get another Martin!! Now here's how I think! Martin as a Jet has averaged 7 and 1/2 TD's a year! Take a Part time player like Johnny Hector(Hams GUY) in the years he had 100 plus carries he avg 6.8 TD's a season!!You may say, But Martin still avg 3/4's of a TD more a season..True that..However Hector is doing his 6.8 on 143 carries a season!! Martin is doing his 7 and 1/2 on 334 carries a season!! So to me I rather have 2 Good backs splitting time keeping them both in tune to the offense, giving the Defense different looks and keeping both Guys Fresh when playoff time comes..If you ever get a chance check out the Fins of the early 70's with Csonka,Kiick and Mercury Morris!! That was a running attack!! :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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