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This is where the Yankees get f**ked for losing so many games to $hitty teams early

Now the Red Sox are feasting on the $hit teams ... teams the Yankees should have feasted on as well when they had the chance ... and the Yankees have zero margin for error

And you know what?

The Yankees have no-one to blame but themselves

They put themselves in this spot, and if it cost them a shot at the playoffs, they are getting exactly what they deserve

Now they have to go on an absolute tear ... they made damn sure of that when they basically took a couple of months off ... and if they don't go on an absolute tear, this season will have been pissed away verses Tampa Bay, Kansas City, etc.

BTW, what are the Yankees verses TB and KC this year ... like 3-9? :roll:

That's why we can't use the schedule as an excuse ... Yankees had a chance to feast on these teams as well, and they SPIT THE BIT

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I'm not to worried. What is it 3, 3.5 games now?

We are talking about the Boston Red Sox. This team will choke away a division lead like Scott Norwood in the Super Bowl. They had their 15 minutes last year, now they will be going back to their annual chokejob.

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Barring a miracle-Wang, Pavano and Wright coming back strong soon-this pitching the Yankees are depending on isn't going to get it done. They may come back and have a run. But it's an uphill fight without knowing you can depend on the starters to last 5-7 innings. Let's be honest-outside of Rivera, the whole Yank bullpen is a question mark. Even Gordon and Strutze are questionable, and worse when they get used up because a starter didn't do the job.

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Barring a miracle-Wang, Pavano and Wright coming back strong soon-this pitching the Yankees are depending on isn't going to get it done. They may come back and have a run. But it's an uphill fight without knowing you can depend on the starters to last 5-7 innings. Let's be honest-outside of Rivera, the whole Yank bullpen is a question mark. Even Gordon and Strutze are questionable, and worse when they get used up because a starter didn't do the job.

Lets examine the starting pitching...

Mussina - up and down..mostly up

Johnson - who knows..definately not dominant

Brown - gone for the year, he sucked anyway

Pavano - has been average at best

wright - average pitcher who had one good year last year.

Wang - good prospect and probably the most stable of the yank pitchers

Leiter - pretty good for 5 innings..then the bullpen better be ready

Redding- not the answer

Let's face it, the starting pitching is the worst it has been in the last 10 years for the yanks.

So what do you do? OUT SLUG THEM...your lineup is crazy...out hit and pray the bullpen can hold the leads.

LL

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Dissect the pitching all you want...

This is 1965 all over again. How many times do I have to tell you that? If Brown, Pavano, Wright, and Wang were still pitching, the hitting would be in shambles. So dont feel too bad. Every year doesnt have to be the Yankees year.

sidenote: Aaron Sele is available, you should go pick him up. how much worse could he be?

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Actually the Yanks have been playing .500 ball for a couple of weeks now.

A team that has always depended on the salary dump at the trade deadline to patch any holes played it cute this year with the Leiter's-Nomo's-Reddings-May's additions.

To be fair to Cashman, other teams also finally appeared reluctant to help the Yanks out this year by actually asking for top prospects in return for any deals the Yanks looked into.

Chacon looked good but he is 2-20 in his last 22 decisions so we will need a few more starts to determine if he can help.

The theory that great hitting will beat good pitching only holds true when your own pitching is at least average.

The Yankee can fair well in the play-offs as they can try and ride their bats with Randy, Moose and whoever happens to sew up the third starter spot.

The problem is trying to get there by winning the non Randy and Moose starts during the remainder of the regular season.

Should be a good two months.

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while I agree with just about everything you said, GS, you missed a very important aspect of the MO of the Yankees as it pertains to the playoffs and beyond.

They most definately depended on the salary dump at the trading deadline to add a key player or 2...but they depended even moreso on Mariano Rivera being able to take the entire month of September off as well as half of August. He was very much underworked back then...and has been very over-worked since they've been losing.

He is too scrawny to be AS dominant as he's been this year throughout the entire season. Joe will use him for 2+ innings if he has to. He never did that when the Yankees were good. Mariano being overworked during the stretch run will be one of the nails in their coffin this year.

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One big change wrought by the wildcard-most teams (save the Tigers, apparently) aren't willing to give up on the season since almost every team is still within shouting distance of a playoff spot. They don't want an empty stadium for the next 2 months. So nobody is dropping a David Cone in the Yankees lap this year, or ever again.

JBF-The Yankees as a team are up there in every offensive category. The only difference between that Yankees and a softball team is there isn't a keg on 3rd base. This isn't necessarily 1965, but it may be the 1980s, when Steinbrenner fell in love with Jack Clarks and Steve Kemps and forgot that pitching really is what matters most. It's like watching Steve Trout and Rick Reuschel and all that horror show stuff again.

The Wright signing over Lieber was a collosal mistake. And the inability of Stottelmyre to make otherwise productive pitchers succeeds here is killing the Yankees. You cannot continually bring in talent, watch it get mismanaged, then go off elsewhere and succeed and then not wonder what pitching coach is doing that is making these guys fail here.

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Lets not diminish the catastrophic mistake of letting Andy Pettite walk out the door because brining in Garroid Sheffield was such a high priority.

You didnt need him then and you dont need him now. He's a disgrace to MLB whereas Pettite was the ultimate big game pitcher for NYY. Not to mention a lefty in his prime. And george just said "Bye bye"! That is what did in this current Yankee team. Forget Lieber! Forget giving Wright & Pavano too much money!

I guess it kind of is the 80s all over again in NY, with 9000 offensive players and no pitching. More accurately the Yankees fall somewhere in between the problem areas they faced in '65 (everyone great got old at the same time, basically) and in the 80s.

Either way, this team aint winning anything worth a sh*t this year!

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Don't forget about the A's, too. Not only on are they wiping the floor of the AL en route to taking a firm grasp of the WC lead, but they are now just a win away from taking the AL West lead, and probably for good.

And lo and behold, that means the Angels will be the biggest road block in the NYY path for the WC, and we all know the Yankees' struggles against Anaheim are well documented.

That means its division title or bust for the Yankees. My guess? Bust.

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