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Posted: 4:28 am NY POST

October 25, 2008

It looks like Laveranues Coles is going to be physically - and mentally - able to play tomorrow afternoon when the JetsNew York Jets face the Chiefs at Giants Stadium.

"If he's medically cleared, then he'll play," coach Eric Mangini said the Jets' No. 1 wideout, who suffered a concussion last week against the Raiders. Coles practiced fully yesterday and is listed as probable for tomorrow's game.

"I'm feeling OK," Coles said.

Coles has suffered three concussions in less than two years, and he said the final decision if he plays is not his.

"Basically, it's the doctors' decision," Coles said. "I don't think that they would put us in a position that would jeopardize our long-term health. . . . If a guy practiced today, then he practiced because he got the opportunity to practice and the doctor cleared him."

Coles isn't the only beat-up wideout. Jerricho Cotchery is questionable with a shoulder problem.

It's a good bet both players will end up on the field. But if Cotchery doesn't play or is limited, or if Coles isn't at full speed, there's a chance backups Brad Smith and Chansi Stuckey to see extra action.

"I'm just going to take the same approach and work on my preparation and get ready for the game," Smith said, "and whatever happens, happens."

Smith was impressive last week in Oakland. He ran four times for 59 yards and caught four passes for 29 more. He also ripped off a 36-yard jaunt, the longest run of his career.

Smith's four grabs were his first of the season, and his four carries gave him six for the year. The third-year player, who's listed as a quarterback in the Jets' media guide and who played under center at Missouri, is apparently making steady improvement at wideout.

"Each year," Mangini said, "he gets a little bit better at the receiver position."

Mangini said the ultimate goal is to have Smith as a regular wideout.

"[He's] just continuing to grow," Mangini said. "Similar to Jerricho's development. Jerricho really started as a core [special] teams guy. He got better and better each year. He got some opportunities and eventually he emerged as a starting receiver."

Offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer declines to label Smith as a wideout or a hybrid. He classifies him a different way.

"I see him as a really good player," he said. "That's how I see him."

Stuckey, in his second year out of Clemson, has slowed recently, with just four catches in his last three games after scoring touchdowns in each of the first three games of the season.


RT Damien Woody (calf) is questionable for tomorrow.


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Posted: Friday, 24 October 2008 4:57PM

Recco Report: Jets/Chiefs Preview

Jerry Recco

While last week I was blindsided, I promise you that this week I will be dead-on. The Jets will destroy the Chiefs 45-10 and here's why:

(This is kind of like David Letterman's top ten list, but I'll call it Recco's Magnificent Seven)

#7 Brett Favre is ticked off. Favre had a miserable week, spending almost all of his weekly press conference defending a stupid story that circulated like wild fire about his alleged involvement with the Lions before their game with the Packers in week two. On top of that, Favre had a tough day against the Raiders in a game that the Jets needed to win. All in all, Favre and the Jets offense will fatten up their stats against a Chiefs defense that has given up 68 points in the last two weeks.

#6 David Clowney. The one thing that Favre is lacking with the Jets is a speedy receiver with good hands that can flat-out run. Clowney is the guy. He showed flashes of brilliance in the preseason before getting hurt; now he is healthy. The concussion to Coles should allow Clowney to see extended time as a 3rd receiver. (Of course we're assuming Coles doesn't play, Cotchery is the 1 & Chansi Stuckey is the 2)

#5 The running game. Are you ready for this stat. The Chiefs rank last in rush defense allowing 207 yards per game! In case you think your eyes are deceiving you let me repeat myself, the Chiefs defense is allowing 207 yards per game! Holy $!%^! How is that humanly possible? Here's how, this is a team of twenty-something's that no one has ever heard of. Here is Herman Edwards from the Boomer & Carton show.

Herm sounds like a beaten down coach. They ask some tough questions and he gives some honest answers. Oh yeah, Thomas Jones off his big game in Oakland will follow it up here.

#4 Larry Johnson. The biggest (and only) threat the Chiefs have will NOT play. Johnson is facing charges of spitting in a woman's face and threatening to kill her boyfriend. Before the NFL did anything, Edwards suspended Johnson. Kolby Smith and Jamaal Charles will be the backs that the Jets defense has to worry about. Who? Exactly.

#3 Tyler Thigpen. Let me steal the line from above. Who? Exactly. Thigpen is the Chiefs starting quarterback for this game. I'm sure Thigpen has a lot of talent, but lets be honest, this is a guy who was waived by the Vikings. Minnesota can't find a starting quarterback that's any good and they waived him. They either made a major mistake or we'll find out that he's a cut below what an NFL quarterback needs to be!

#2 The Jets pass rush. They are ranked 3rd in the NFL in sacks, with 20. I expect Eric Mangini to tell Bob Sutton to send the house and knock this kid around. Look for the Jets to have five to eight sacks on Sunday, possibly moving them into the league lead. (The Steelers lead with 25, but against the Giants O-line I don't expect them to get any this weekend)

#1 Finally, the Jets will win this game because they have to! If they don't, their season will collapse. They HAVE to be 4-3 heading to Buffalo next week, to at least give themselves a chance to still do something of interest this season.

Lose consecutive games to the Raiders and Chiefs and let's just start counting down the days until pitchers and catchers report. Oh wait, we already do that here. Let's try that again, lose consecutive games to the Raiders and Chiefs and let's just start counting down the days until the day Favre makes a decision on 2009.

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Eric Mangini said the funniest thing today . . .

That the safety of the players is the Jets' first concern.

Rieber filling in for Boland today.

Mangini was pressed today about Laveraneus Coles and the decision to let him play after he suffered a concussion on Sunday. He said the word "process" about 400 times, as in we have a process and we blindly follow it if the doctors think someone can go back out there. Hey, rub a little dirt on your injured brain and get back out there. This is the NFL!

Apparently Mangini thinks the process works and has no questions about it at all. Nice to have such certainty with someone else's noggin. Coles is getting checked out again today. We'll see if he practices and what they list him on the injury report later. The Jets should be able to beat Kansas City without him if he has to take a week off.

Maybe the Jets' process should include talking to Al Toon and Wayne Chrebet. But they are really concerned about the players' safety, don't you worry.

-- Mangini would only list Ted Nugent's brother as out for Sunday. So we'll have to wait for later for the updated injury report on all of the other injured guys.

UPDATE, 12:15 p.m.: Coles did participate in the non-contact stuff reporters were allowed to see. So did Eric Smith (concussion, too) and Jerricho Cotchery (shoulder).

You may have heard about the little to-do between Mangini and a reporter. Here's a link that will get you to it.

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Time to Deliver for Heffernan

Posted by David Wright on October 24th, 2008 filed in Opinions

NY Jets Head Coach Eric Mangini not only resembles King of Queens star Doug Heffernan but he often coaches allot like a delivery man with no leadership qualities.

We hear that Coach Heffernan is a different guy behind close doors then he is with the media and or on the field on Sundays. Some may say that he is a faker, want-to-be Bill

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Seven Up With Arrowhead Addict

Posted on October 24th, 2008 by Bassett

Our friend Adam Best over at Arrowhead Addict asked us to answer some of his questions about the Jets and he was nice enough to reciprocate. AA is one of the best Chiefs blog out there, hands down, so if you want the inside scoop on the Chiefs, Adam and his crew are the guys to get it for you.

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Jets RB Jones should have big day against ChiefsBY ERIK BOLAND | erik.boland@newsday.com

October 24, 2008

FLORHAM PARK, N.J. - Certainly, Thomas Jones took one look at the defensive statistics for this Sunday's opponent and smiled.

Took one look at a Chiefs defense that has been gashed and slashed every which way, especially on the ground, and started salivating.

Or maybe not.

"They have really good players over there," Jones said. "They're fast, they have some really good athletes. They've had some problems, some games where , but that has nothing to do with our game. We have to show up and play on Sunday."

Jones probably is taking the right tack in saying that, though the numbers suggest a big day on the ground for the Jets.

The Chiefs come in ranked 32nd (last) in the league in rushing defense, allowing 207.2 yards per game. Jones, who had his best game as a Jet in last week's loss in Oakland by rushing for 159 yards, is poised to record back-to-back 100-yard games for the first time since he's been with the team.

Coincidentally, the last time Jones accomplished that feat was in 2006 in New York - as a Chicago Bear. In consecutive road victories, Nov. 12 against the Giants and Nov. 19 against the Jets, Jones rushed for 113 and 121 yards, respectively.

"I have felt good the whole season," said Jones, who is averaging 4.4 yards per carry. "I take care of myself. I work out hard, train hard during the season. I take advantage of the opportunities that I have."

Feely-ing good

Jay Feely said that despite Sunday's loss, his 52-yard field goal that sent the game into overtime was significant, both for him and the team.

"It would have been a lot bigger if we won the game, but it was good for me," Feely said. "It was the first real pressure kick on this team. Not having been around [the team] throughout the offseason and not being able to earn that respect. The only way I can do that is by making field goals and kicking the ball well."

Injury report

WR Laveranues Coles (thigh/concussion), TE Bubba Franks (hip) and OL Damien Woody (calf) missed practice. TE Chris Baker (back), WR Jerricho Cotchery (shoulder), OL Brandon Moore (foot) and S Eric Smith (concussion) were limited. For the Chiefs, P Dustin Colquitt missed practice with a groin injury.

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Chiefs want starting QB Thigpen to be a careful runner


The Kansas City Star

DAVID EULITT | The Kansas City Star

Tyler Thigpen, more of a runner than a passer, has been cautioned to play it safe when scrambling.

Chiefs notebook: Two Jets have concussions

The Chiefs want to see what Tyler Thigpen can do, as long as he does it better than he did last time.

The third man to start a game at quarterback for Kansas City will do it again Sunday at the Jets, and the Chiefs like some of what Thigpen does. They like his mobility and that the bootleg and rollout passes that coaches designed for starter Brodie Croyle are more suited to Thigpen than Damon Huard.

Croyle tore two knee ligaments in last week’s loss to Tennessee. He did it about 12 minutes before Huard hit his throwing hand on a Titans player’s pads, partially tearing ligaments in his thumb.

The Chiefs want Thigpen to run and make plays. They just don’t want him to do it recklessly.

“He’s got to be careful,” coach Herm Edwards said Thursday. “His instincts are to run. We don’t want him running a lot because if he’s down, we get to (quarterback) No. 4.

“This is hard enough.”

The Chiefs are flying through quarterbacks, and Edwards said this week the team might have a few new faces in its locker room before the season concludes in 10 weeks. Kansas City signed former Jacksonville quarterback Quinn Gray on Wednesday.

Edwards hasn’t ruled out renewing conversations with Daunte Culpepper, who announced Thursday that he was ending his two-month NFL retirement, though he didn’t identify a team he might want to play for.

In the meantime, the Chiefs hope Thigpen sticks with the plan of passing first and running only when necessary. He has rushed nine times for 61 yards in parts of four games, and now more than ever, the Chiefs will hide their eyes when Thigpen runs out of the pocket.

“You’ve got to be smart,” Thigpen said. “When you’re going to take a hit, you need to get down and use the sideline as your friend and get out of bounds. At this position, you’re valuable. It’s a tough business.”

Edwards said Thigpen has worked more this week in practice on sharpening his passing. The last time Thigpen started a game, the Chiefs went six possessions before getting a first down, and Thigpen had three interceptions by the time he and the Chiefs left Atlanta’s Georgia Dome with a 38-14 loss.

Thigpen said the week before that game, he talked with family and friends about his opportunity. He was the starting quarterback for an NFL team, and that was worth telling everybody about.

With that came expectations, and Thigpen piled those on top of his other obligations as the Chiefs’ starter. That player meets with a group of reporters each Thursday afternoon, and he is in charge of meeting with the team’s equipment officials and deciding which footballs to take on road trips.

“I just let some outside things kind of distract me,” Thigpen said. “Last time, I think I did put some pressure on myself, pressure I didn’t need to put on myself. This week, I’m more prepared for that.”

And Thigpen should be prepared for coaches to sidle next to him on the sideline if he makes more mistakes. Edwards said Thigpen, a second-year player, plays like a rookie, and that means he’s more likely to force big plays, whether that’s rifling a pass into coverage or trying to outrun defenders.

“Eventually they catch up to you,” Edwards said.

Edwards said the Chiefs would be happy if Thigpen were the starter for Kansas City’s final 10 games. But for that to happen, he’ll have to reduce his mistakes and prove to coaches he can move the offense.

He also has to stay healthy, and considering how raw the Chiefs are after placing Croyle and Huard on injured reserve this week, coaches might not have much patience with Thigpen if he puts himself in dangerous situations — and downplay the consequences as he did Thursday.

“Some of the hits might look hard,” he said, “but they really weren’t, because I was falling back and going on the ground. It really wasn’t as bad as it looked.”

For better or worse, Thigpen’s best offering might be his scrambling ability. Edwards said he has reminded Thigpen that, as if last week didn’t offer enough evidence, quarterbacks suffer injuries when they absorb repeated hits from NFL defenders.

Edwards said he’s told Thigpen that if he runs, to slide or step out of bounds — anything to keep him safe for at least one more week.

“You don’t need to take a lot of risks right now,” Edwards said. “We’re not that good to take risks at this point.”


@ Go to KansasCity.com for video of new quarterback Quinn Gray, plus Adam Teicher’s video blog and updates in the Red Zone blog.


To reach Kent Babb, Chiefs reporter for The Star, call 816-234-4386 or send e-mail to kbabb@kcstar.com.

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Brett Favre needs to stop talking to people outside the Jets organization ...


... and help turn Gang Green's season around.

Brett Favre needs to concentrate on the Jets for the next 10 weeks and forget about playing big brother to players and executives around the NFL.

And it would help, too, if he can keep his story straight. Four days ago he said it was "total BS" that he gave tips to the Lions on how to beat the Packers the second week of the season. He amended it Wednesday and at least admitted he did speak to since-fired Lions GM Matt Millen, who was searching for inside information about the Packers one month after Favre had a bitter divorce from Green Bay.


The conversation with Millen took place days before the Jets lost a statement game to the Patriots without Tom Brady. And Tony Romo called last week looking for advice on playing with a broken pinkie days before the Jets lost to the Raiders.

Don't these guys know Favre has his own job?

Then sometime before the kickoff in Oakland, before playing his worst game with the Jets, Favre found time to text-message a media friend to refute the report that he helped the Lions prepare to play Green Bay.

The Jets have become all about Favre, for better or worse. His every move gets analyzed. He is their A-Rod minus Madonna. The Jets had to know this was going to happen, but it was a trade they had to make. They just didn't count on Favre-mania becoming such a distraction.

Can Favre just focus on the Jets, who are a disappointing 3-3 after losing to the Raiders, one of the worst teams in football? Can he let Romo figure things out for himself? Can he tell Millen to get lost? Is it too much to ask? "Believe me, I'm trying my best to help this team win. The New York Jets," he said. "And spending no time trying to make sure the Packers lose. I got enough on my plate, believe me."

Favre is one of the most intense competitors in the NFL. Clearly, he is well-respected in the NFL. But he's with a new team. The offense hasn't exactly been on fire (he's thrown eight interceptions in the last five games), so perhaps he needs to turn off his cell phone and not be so available. He can open a counseling business when he moves back home to Hattiesburg.

"I know that Brett prepares as thoroughly as anybody else," Eric Mangini said. "I don't monitor guys' free time. So they can spend it however they want."

Safety Kerry Rhodes just heard about the controversy Wednesday. He said if Favre was spending time trying to help the Lions instead of concentrating totally on the Jets, then, he said, his thought would be: "You want everybody to be focused on the task at hand. If that happened, that's unfortunate for the team."

Favre picked up his cell phone driving home from the Jets' facility last month and it was his friend Millen, the incompetent executive. Millen first invited Favre to go hunting at his home in Pennsylvania, but Favre knew Millen was really interested in another outdoor sport - fishing.

He was putting his line in the water and hoping to come up with inside information on Green Bay's offense before the Lions played the Packers. The key here is Millen called Favre. "I think the question he asked was, 'Anything in particular you guys did to us last year or how you looked at us?'" Favre said.

All Favre said he could remember was in the first game against Detroit in 2007 he had "22 straight completions. We went empty formation. We kept throwing completion after completion," he said, and noted that he didn't have a playbook in his lap driving home while he spoke to Millen.

Coaches routinely interrogate a player they've picked up when they play their former team. Coaching is a fraternity, so they often pick each other's brains. If the Jets were playing the Packers, then Favre would give Mangini every piece of information he has. But since he had no stake in the Lions-Packers game, just having a conversation with Millen about the Packers gives the perception that he wanted the Packers to lose. It makes Favre appear vindictive, although in this business, not quite unethical.

Favre wanted to return to Green Bay this summer, but Packers GM Ted Thompson didn't want him back after he decided to rescind his retirement announcement. In effect, the Packers fired Favre. It's only human nature for Favre to want the Packers to fail, even though he says he doesn't. Did he tell Millen more than he's letting on? Possibly. He says he's guessing, but he thinks others were probably in the room when he was speaking to Millen. The others would have been Lions coaches.

Favre's reputation has taken a hit in Green Bay. How could he provide information to hurt the team he was the face of for 16 years? He had some anger in his voice Wednesday trying to defend what he did, which he feels was nothing.

"Next thing I know, I'm calling everyone in the league giving our secrets," he said sarcastically.

Last year, SpyGate was the big scandal. That was cheating. Even if Favre did give Millen some inside information, there are no rules against it. And even if he had access to the Packers' game plan and turned it over to Millen, the Lions aren't good enough to take advantage of it. The Packers beat the Lions, 48-25. The Jets need 10 weeks of Favre's undivided attention. He can wait until the offseason to go hunting with Millen, who seems to prefer fishing.


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