Roger Vick Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 I know, plank in the eye here with us having Herm, but my God...there is no excuse for you guys not to have run the ball 50 times against us. It's not like we were stonewalling you. Fortunately, because Brett Favre 1998-2006 version showed up, we were let into a game we had no business being in. There really isn't any excuse for being out game planned by a Herm Edwards team. I'm not trolling on you guys, just expressing empathy that you are also dealing with a turd wearing a headset (although not nearly as slimy as our turd). After Herm turtled up, the KC media asked him why his butthole puckered at that stage in the game. In true Herm fashion, he threw Kolby Smith under the bus saying they would have made the first down if he hadn't "fallen down" (even though he was tackled short b/c Adrian Jones missed his block). Anyhoo, thanks for helping our players with their development and not impeding our quest for Matt Stafford. Good luck the rest of the year and dealing with the diva that is Brett Favre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 What was worse? Mangini throwing on 3rd and 1 or 2 THREE DIFFERENT TIMES and not getting it once OR Herm running on 3rd and 4 with the lead and playing not to lose as usual? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Yeah it was pretty embarrassing out there. I was just laughing the entire time. Oh well maybe it'll get better. If we had decent coaches maybe our players would play better, but instead we wasted all this money and got all these players and they are all pretty crappy. Our CS refuses to use our best player for whatever reason. A good coach just keeps feeding Leon to the Chiefs until they figure out how to stop him. Our brilliant coaches ran him I believe twice, maybe three times total. It should have been something like 20 TJ rush 10 Leon rush. I don't mind Favre throwing but it was clear that for whatever reason, our passing game still stinks. All we have is that one fluke against Arizona, and I bet they were all jetlagged or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetkid94 Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 did we win? Im pretty sure we got the job done. if favre doesent throw 2 of those INTs the jets win by 10 or more. we won, you lost who cares if we didnt run it a lot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugeater Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 did we win? Im pretty sure we got the job done. if favre doesent throw 2 of those INTs the jets win by 10 or more. we won, you lost who cares if we didnt run it a lot? We do, we wanted you to win by a lot more. Games like today's sure as hell aren't going to get Herm fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Vick Posted October 27, 2008 Author Share Posted October 27, 2008 did we win? Im pretty sure we got the job done. if favre doesent throw 2 of those INTs the jets win by 10 or more. we won, you lost who cares if we didnt run it a lot? The point is that if not for a very generous non-PI call on Will Franklin, we have three shots to win that game at the end despite all of that. If I were you, I'd be concerned. You guys leveraged a lot for the short term and your coaches don't seem to be able to properly game plan to put you in advantageous situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Vick Posted October 27, 2008 Author Share Posted October 27, 2008 What was worse? Mangini throwing on 3rd and 1 or 2 THREE DIFFERENT TIMES and not getting it once OR Herm running on 3rd and 4 with the lead and playing not to lose as usual? I almost wonder if he's afraid to run because he has Brett Favre in the huddle. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 i agree Mangini beat herm by 4...thats pathetic!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 We do, we wanted you to win by a lot more. Games like today's sure as hell aren't going to get Herm fired. i'm sorry but herm prolly wont get fired this year. but u can keep hoping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugeater Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 I almost wonder if he's afraid to run because he has Brett Favre in the huddle. Just a thought. That went through my mind as well. i'm sorry but herm prolly wont get fired this year. but u can keep hoping It's not like we have anything else to hope for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 The point is that if not for a very generous non-PI call on Will Franklin, we have three shots to win that game at the end despite all of that. If I were you, I'd be concerned. You guys leveraged a lot for the short term and your coaches don't seem to be able to properly game plan to put you in advantageous situations. They have a severe identity crisis on offense. That is not news. But you can't compare Herm and Mangini. Not even close. The Jets got rid of all of Herm's players and implemented the 3-4. The defense didn't start to play well until the Herm staples were cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Vick Posted October 27, 2008 Author Share Posted October 27, 2008 But you can't compare Herm and Mangini. Not even close. . I wasn't. The Jets got rid of all of Herm's players and implemented the 3-4. The defense didn't start to play well until the Herm staples were cut. I was never talking about your D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 I was never talking about your D. So they should fire Mangini even though he built a defense that they are pretty happy with? Mangini is a young head coach. Not sure how you can fire a defensive minded head coach, without talking about the Def. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.E.T.S. JETS JETS JETS Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Oh yeah mangini keeps coaching like this and yes he has got to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 I know, plank in the eye here with us having Herm, but my God...there is no excuse for you guys not to have run the ball 50 times against us. It's not like we were stonewalling you. Fortunately, because Brett Favre 1998-2006 version showed up, we were let into a game we had no business being in. There really isn't any excuse for being out game planned by a Herm Edwards team. I'm not trolling on you guys, just expressing empathy that you are also dealing with a turd wearing a headset (although not nearly as slimy as our turd). After Herm turtled up, the KC media asked him why his butthole puckered at that stage in the game. In true Herm fashion, he threw Kolby Smith under the bus saying they would have made the first down if he hadn't "fallen down" (even though he was tackled short b/c Adrian Jones missed his block). Anyhoo, thanks for helping our players with their development and not impeding our quest for Matt Stafford. Good luck the rest of the year and dealing with the diva that is Brett Favre. Nice post Roger. Lots of us here were baffled as to why we weren't just pounding the ball against you. If you find out could you please just let us know? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 did we win? Im pretty sure we got the job done. if favre doesent throw 2 of those INTs the jets win by 10 or more. we won, you lost who cares if we didnt run it a lot? My thought too Kid. just that pick that was run back. That was at least a 10 point swing if we only get a FG on the drive. That makes the final 31-17 Jets which is a big time win. Just that one play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETROCK Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Oh yeah mangini keeps coaching like this and yes he has got to go. Exactly!! To beat the worst team in football by 4 points & have to come back in the last 3 minutes of a game is rediculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasonJet Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 At the very least we should find a new OC. Schotty clearly does not know what he is doing and he should be fired today after Jones and Leon combined for only 17 carries, after the Chiefs gave up about 300 yards on the ground last week. It was absolutely enraging to watch the team refuse to run the ball, like they were scared of running it or something. It's just so damn frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 As I believe I've said before, I have no problem with the pass attack plan in theory. The Chiefs are not good against either the pass or the run, and a dominant team will dictate what it wants to do, not just try whatever works. We don't have an identity, and this was an attempt at it. However, my problem is on just how inept the pass attack was, the refusal to use any play action or to mix in Leon more, and even TJ more. You can still be a pass first team and know when to run and work off play fakes. We don't have that. I kind of have to question the team construction as well, as Coles does not cut it as a #1 target if you want a pass happy offense. And the QB is not playing to the level he needs to when you don't have that elite WR. McNabb can pull it off even without Westbrook, although it helps him greatly to have Westbrook. I had always thought Leon would be like our mini-Westbrook at least a little bit. But that's not what's going on. The Eagles play fake like crazy even though they run the ball like 25% of the time. The team's a mess right now and there's really no quick fix. Next week against the Bills is going to be tough, and will most likely result in us falling to 4-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 However, my problem is on just how inept the pass attack was, the refusal to use any play action or to mix in Leon more, and even TJ more. This has been a problem all season. The Jets spend all that money on the OL, and then not only do they become pass-happy...they don't even use playaction. With a QB who excels at it. After having success with it the last 2 seasons. If someone can explain Brian Schottenheimer's offensive philosophy to me, I'd love to hear it. Because to me, it looks like he's throwing a load of **** against the wall and seeing what sticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Vick Posted October 27, 2008 Author Share Posted October 27, 2008 So they should fire Mangini even though he built a defense that they are pretty happy with? Mangini is a young head coach. Not sure how you can fire a defensive minded head coach, without talking about the Def. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Here's the question(s) I would ask in response: Is going out and trading for Kris Jenkins, signing Calvin Pace to a big contract really a long-term "build" of the D or are those "Put you over the top" moves? It seems like Revis is a solid young player, but your D-Line is a little long in the tooth with Jenkins, Ellis, etc. Also, why isn't Gholston seeing any action for you guys? I thought you guys would just pin his ears back and tell him to go. I'm just looking at this as an outsider and it seemed like Mangini was going to try and rebuild through the draft, and then this offseason hit and you guys went nuts on both sides of the ball. You can easily fire a young defensive minded head coach if he's not a good coach. As long as the next guy who comes in runs a 3-4, you aren't going to misuse your existing talent. It's just like how after we can Herm we're not going to move to a 3-4, because it would be a waste of Glenn Dorsey, among others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSorDIE Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 This has been a problem all season. The Jets spend all that money on the OL, and then not only do they become pass-happy...they don't even use playaction. With a QB who excels at it. After having success with it the last 2 seasons. If someone can explain Brian Schottenheimer's offensive philosophy to me, I'd love to hear it. Because to me, it looks like he's throwing a load of **** against the wall and seeing what sticks. +1 in addition we have a defesive coach that has a pourus pass defense... with the talent we have we got to do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 I saw some play action. Not much, but what I saw didn't work. I think Favre got sacked on one. I don't think the pass D is so porous. I think they are playing the typical bend, but don't break crap. The D is a monumental upgrade over the last three seasons. Teams pretty much cannot run. The Jets are forcing them to pass and playing it low risk. There are a lot of things that can go wrong on a pass play - unfortunately, that's what we're seeing with the O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 This coaching staff appears to be in over their heads with a hall of fame qb running the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 This coaching staff appears to be in over their heads with a hall of fame qb running the show. I think they might be nervous with some of the injuries. Neither Baker or Franks was playing. Keller isn't much of a blocker. That's why they ran all that #75 elgible. They when Robert Turner is in there at TE they aren't going to be able to run too much play action or pass routes. The D was limited by it some too. It seemed that when Harris first went down Bowens took some time to adjust at ILB. There were a few passes dumped in front of him where guys just ran away. D may have made some adjustments because it was much less of a problem in the second half. Either that or cinderella's shoe fell off. Team has been remarkably injury free over Mangini's tenure. Let's hope that continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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