Baker's absence affected gameplan?

[RoadFan]

Tight end Chris Baker

[JETSFAN5180]

Sad isnt it that Mangini expects us to believe his bull**** any longer.Chris Baker has done NOTHING to help this team WIN 1 game this season. Mangini and Baker EXIT is that way>>

[Jetkid94]

If anything the only think baker has done is lost us a game in oakland.

[JETSFAN5180]

If anything the only think baker has done is lost us a game in oakland.

Agreed but many here have a manlove for him.

[serphnx]

Mangini is stupid if he thinks that's a good excuse. All it does is make it obvious that he can not gameplan at all, and if any little thing is off he has no solution.

Plenty of good teams in this league will throw an extra linemen in. It's called max protect or "overload" whichever side you put that extra tackle in (so overload right if on the right side etc). Some of the best teams in the league frequently do this and do it well. We can't do it and so it's an excuse?

And why the **** does everything have to be disguised? It's the ****ing Chiefs. You just do whatever the **** you want to them. You line up and just beat them. All this fancy crap that doesn't even work, but these idiots won't run a play action pass? So stupid formations and people running back and forth so that you can't snap the ball on time or get off the line quickly is good, but play action pass is bad because it won't fool anybody?

My god they look dumber to me by the day.

[#27TheDominator]

Mangini is stupid if he thinks that's a good excuse. All it does is make it obvious that he can not gameplan at all, and if any little thing is off he has no solution.

Plenty of good teams in this league will throw an extra linemen in. It's called max protect or "overload" whichever side you put that extra tackle in (so overload right if on the right side etc). Some of the best teams in the league frequently do this and do it well. We can't do it and so it's an excuse?

And why the **** does everything have to be disguised? It's the ****ing Chiefs. You just do whatever the **** you want to them. You line up and just beat them. All this fancy crap that doesn't even work, but these idiots won't run a play action pass? So stupid formations and people running back and forth so that you can't snap the ball on time or get off the line quickly is good, but play action pass is bad because it won't fool anybody?

My god they look dumber to me by the day.

What excuse? The only thing I saw him say was that "there isn't a lot of disguise". Isn't that obvious? Turner is not going to catch the ball and more than likely he would be unable to even run a route. They DID run the extra T successfully. They used one and even two T eliglible on the drive where Jones ran in for the score. They moved right down on the following drive when Favre chose to throw to the other team again.

They have moved the ball very well. Problem has been turnovers and worse plenty of Favre's turnovers have been in the red zone.

I can't see killing the staff over this. It's funny, all the bashing they take seems off to me. I bash them for the following: keeping Clowney, 2 Ks and 4 QBs on the roster - meaning they are so thin at TE that they need a T to play TE, so thin at ILB that they need Bowens or ST specialist Cody Spencer to play there. Now they have two only RBs + Richardson. I hope they don't need more. They IR'd Ainge and Chatman, I hope they end up with a more versatile roster and dump a K soon. I also bash them for not knowing who the backup K is. That is simple. Every team should know who is going to kick if the kicker or punter goes down and what their capabilities are so that they KNOW who will go, when to go on 4th, if they need to try for all 2 pt conversions, etc. That open audition on the sideline was an embarassment.

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[RoadFan]

And why the **** does everything have to be disguised? It's the ****ing Chiefs. You just do whatever the **** you want to them. You line up and just beat them. All this fancy crap that doesn't even work, but these idiots won't run a play action pass?

No doubt. I think they faked an end around at least 3 times to Brad Smith on running plays. Why not lineup in "I" formation and just hit'em in the mouth!

[DMaynard]

Baker's absence wouldn't affect his funeral.

[johnny green balls]

stupid excuse but giving benefit of the doubt to Arrogini, after we had success on the ground to the tune of 6 ypc that's when you say, "holy crap, baker being out isn't hurting the running game so let's lean on it." but no, he overcoached this game and almost lost to turd edwards as a result. 30 of the 31 other teams in the league would've made the jets pay and beaten us. Arrogini got lucky that Duh Edwards was on the opposite sideline on sunday.

[J.E.T.S. JETS JETS JETS]

That is bull just because baker was hurt that affected your game plan give me a break mangini need to cut the crap.

[serphnx]

stupid excuse but giving benefit of the doubt to Arrogini, after we had success on the ground to the tune of 6 ypc that's when you say, "holy crap, baker being out isn't hurting the running game so let's lean on it." but no, he overcoached this game and almost lost to turd edwards as a result. 30 of the 31 other teams in the league would've made the jets pay and beaten us. Arrogini got lucky that Duh Edwards was on the opposite sideline on sunday.

That 6.0 is pretty much all Leon's long run I bet. Because I remember checking the numbers in the first half and TJ was plodding along at 3.9 ypc. He just is not a good back. The good backs in this league will have average gains and long gains, with some no gains or losses in there somewhere. TJ instead has average gains and no gains. He does not get the long ones. For god's sakes, Lendale White busted an 80 yard run against the Chiefs. TJ sucks, I'm sorry.

[NJ]

stupid excuse but giving benefit of the doubt to Arrogini, after we had success on the ground to the tune of 6 ypc that's when you say, "holy crap, baker being out isn't hurting the running game so let's lean on it." but no, he overcoached this game and almost lost to turd edwards as a result. 30 of the 31 other teams in the league would've made the jets pay and beaten us. Arrogini got lucky that Duh Edwards was on the opposite sideline on sunday.

Now you stop all dem lies on da coach or dat mingus mungas guy is going to be back here puttin you in your place!

[#27TheDominator]

That 6.0 is pretty much all Leon's long run I bet. Because I remember checking the numbers in the first half and TJ was plodding along at 3.9 ypc. He just is not a good back. The good backs in this league will have average gains and long gains, with some no gains or losses in there somewhere. TJ instead has average gains and no gains. He does not get the long ones. For god's sakes, Lendale White busted an 80 yard run against the Chiefs. TJ sucks, I'm sorry.

Overall the team averaged 5.6

Leon and Jones combined for 7.1

If you take away Leon's long run it's

Overall 3.26

Leon & Jones 3.8

[johnny green balls]

That 6.0 is pretty much all Leon's long run I bet. Because I remember checking the numbers in the first half and TJ was plodding along at 3.9 ypc. He just is not a good back. The good backs in this league will have average gains and long gains, with some no gains or losses in there somewhere. TJ instead has average gains and no gains. He does not get the long ones. For god's sakes, Lendale White busted an 80 yard run against the Chiefs. TJ sucks, I'm sorry.

That's funny. Did the long run happen? Was the same Chiefs D on the field when it happened? Then how can you take it out? Hell if you take out Favre's stupid picks, he had a damn good day!

Half the rationale for running the ball is that KC sucks and you're gonna break off some long ones if you run it enough. Basically you're saying we shouldn't have run because if you take out the time it was successful, it wasn't successful!?

[RoadFan]

Overall the team averaged 5.6

Leon and Jones combined for 7.1

If you take away Leon's long run it's

Overall 3.26

Leon & Jones 3.8

If they would have run the ball more, they certainly would have picked up more big chunks of yardage on long runs. Kansas City's defense will allow HUGE holes to open up. As for Thomas Jones, although not explosive he is plenty capable of 15-20 yard runs that wear down and demoralize a defense.

[glenn212]

lets see so Baker says he can't go right before the game and theres no bubba Franks and Keller a hybred TE/WR so they have to use a OT at TE and it doesn't affect the game plan..really? It certainly limits alot of play action out of your TE sets and many other aspects of the running game..Having Baker unavailable right before game time very much affects the game plan.

[serphnx]

That's funny. Did the long run happen? Was the same Chiefs D on the field when it happened? Then how can you take it out? Hell if you take out Favre's stupid picks, he had a damn good day!

Half the rationale for running the ball is that KC sucks and you're gonna break off some long ones if you run it enough. Basically you're saying we shouldn't have run because if you take out the time it was successful, it wasn't successful!?

Your reading comprehension blows. #27 was implying TJ ran well, whereas that long run was Leon's so you can't credit it to TJ. We should have ran Leon more.

[#27TheDominator]

Overall the team averaged 5.6

Leon and Jones combined for 7.1

If you take away Leon's long run it's

Overall 3.26

Leon & Jones 3.8

If they would have run the ball more, they certainly would have picked up more big chunks of yardage on long runs. Kansas City's defense will allow HUGE holes to open up. As for Thomas Jones, although not explosive he is plenty capable of 15-20 yard runs that wear down and demoralize a defense.

Your reading comprehension blows. #27 was implying TJ ran well, whereas that long run was Leon's so you can't credit it to TJ. We should have ran Leon more.

Actually I wasn't implying anything. You mentioned it, so I posted the numbers. Just numbers.

Now you tell me, if that's a fact, am I lying?

[johnny green balls]

Your reading comprehension blows. #27 was implying TJ ran well, whereas that long run was Leon's so you can't credit it to TJ. We should have ran Leon more.

defensive much? be a man and admit your argument was silly and i'll forget all about this.

[#27TheDominator]

defensive much? be a man and admit your argument was silly and i'll forget all about this.

You think that 60 yards on 1 carry plus 13 carries for an additional 10 yards is the same as 14 carries of 5 yards? Yards per carry are the same, but is the production the same? Would you game plan the same way?

[johnny green balls]

You think that 60 yards on 1 carry plus 13 carries for an additional 10 yards is the same as 14 carries of 5 yards? Yards per carry are the same, but is the production the same? Would you game plan the same way?

after favre's 2 circus int's and our ground game performing the way it did? absolutely i would've run more. probably a couple reverses too. definitely more screen passes.

[#27TheDominator]

after favre's 2 circus int's and our ground game performing the way it did? absolutely i would've run more. probably a couple reverses too. definitely more screen passes.

You didn't answer the questions. I posted the numbers for discussion purposes because, as Serphx pointed out, the ypc sucked if you took at Leon's long run. You indicated that was irrelevant. I call bull****. You may want to run more, but you can't tell me that, as in the example I posted above, yards and carries are all that matters. I probably would have run more too, but that doesn't change the fact that if they ran like that on every down they would have been hard pressed to be getting first downs.

FWIW, the majority of screen passes seem to be busts so far.

[johnny green balls]

You didn't answer the questions. I posted the numbers for discussion purposes because, as Serphx pointed out, the ypc sucked if you took at Leon's long run. You indicated that was irrelevant. I call bull****. You may want to run more, but you can't tell me that, as in the example I posted above, yards and carries are all that matters. I probably would have run more too, but that doesn't change the fact that if they ran like that on every down they would have been hard pressed to be getting first downs.

FWIW, the majority of screen passes seem to be busts so far.

no, i did answer your question. busting a long run is a direct consequence of a crap KC defense. run more and we'll bust more. you can't "take out" the best run to prove running doesn't work. that's a little self-serving.

also, even "taking out" leon's run i'll take 3 ypc over an int every other drive on ludicrous deep bombs.

[#27TheDominator]

no, i did answer your question. busting a long run is a direct consequence of a crap KC defense. run more and we'll bust more. you can't "take out" the best run to prove running doesn't work. that's a little self-serving.

It is very self-serving, but it still is food for thought. If you answer is that 60 yards on one carry plus 13 carries for 10 yards is the same as 14 carries of 5 yards I think you are VERY wrong. In one case you can run consistently and you are never looking at 2nd or 3rd and long. In the other you have one big blast, but you will have a ton of 3 and outs. Extending drives is extremely important IMO.

KC's **** run D and Favre's INTs are reasons to run more, but don't act like the Jets were hammering them with smash mouth (6-7ypc) football. That's simply not the case. Funny thing is, you are calling serphx out on this, but I'm pretty sure he is on the fire Schottenheimer/run more bandwagon with you.

[johnny green balls]

It is very self-serving, but it still is food for thought. If you answer is that 60 yards on one carry plus 13 carries for 10 yards is the same as 14 carries of 5 yards I think you are VERY wrong. In one case you can run consistently and you are never looking at 2nd or 3rd and long. In the other you have one big blast, but you will have a ton of 3 and outs. Extending drives is extremely important IMO.

KC's **** run D and Favre's INTs are reasons to run more, but don't act like the Jets were hammering them with smash mouth (6-7ypc) football. That's simply not the case. Funny thing is, you are calling serphx out on this, but I'm pretty sure he is on the fire Schottenheimer/run more bandwagon with you.

you're putting words in my mouth. what i said was we threw too many ridiculous deep bombs in the middle of the field. we should have run more and kept them honest with deep throws to the sideline to prevent INTs.

[Boozer76]

I gotta be honest and agree that this is bull**** for an excuase. We did have Franks on the roster, did we not? He is just as good a blocker as Baker and still represents a receiving threat as well. He easily could have been used in the running game and still kept the D honest. If losing Chris Baker changes the gameplan that dramatically then I have to question what kind of Mickey Mouse gameplan we had in the first place.

[Vicious89x]

I gotta be honest and agree that this is bull**** for an excuase. We did have Franks on the roster, did we not? He is just as good a blocker as Baker and still represents a receiving threat as well. He easily could have been used in the running game and still kept the D honest. If losing Chris Baker changes the gameplan that dramatically then I have to question what kind of Mickey Mouse gameplan we had in the first place.

I think the whole issue was Franks was injured and then Baker got injured right before the game.

[#27TheDominator]

you're putting words in my mouth. what i said was we threw too many ridiculous deep bombs in the middle of the field. we should have run more and kept them honest with deep throws to the sideline to prevent INTs.

I put words in your mouth? You said you answered my question. I guess you didn't. Serphx raised a valid point for discussion and you dismissed him. Now you find it hard to admit that maybe he had a little bit of a point? You act like the Jets were pounding it down the Chiefs throats. They weren't. The ridiculous bombs by Favre are his fault. Why is he winding it up and heaving it? Maybe he should try a few dumpoffs. PS: Deep throws to the sideline are probably the single most likely to be picked. The deep picks were both more to the sideline.

I gotta be honest and agree that this is bull**** for an excuase. We did have Franks on the roster, did we not? He is just as good a blocker as Baker and still represents a receiving threat as well. He easily could have been used in the running game and still kept the D honest. If losing Chris Baker changes the gameplan that dramatically then I have to question what kind of Mickey Mouse gameplan we had in the first place.

Franks got hurt early in the Raiders game. He was not active and didn't suit up against the Chiefs. As vicious stated, Baker was a game time scratch.

[johnny green balls]

I put words in your mouth? You said you answered my question. I guess you didn't. Serphx raised a valid point for discussion and you dismissed him. Now you find it hard to admit that maybe he had a little bit of a point? You act like the Jets were pounding it down the Chiefs throats. They weren't. The ridiculous bombs by Favre are his fault. Why is he winding it up and heaving it? Maybe he should try a few dumpoffs. PS: Deep throws to the sideline are probably the single most likely to be picked. The deep picks were both more to the sideline.

I acted like? Way off base. the running game was more effective than Favre's circus INTs. we should have run more. that's the totality of my argument.

[#27TheDominator]

I acted like? Way off base. the running game was more effective than Favre's circus INTs. we should have run more. that's the totality of my argument.

Okay, fair enough. You ignored my question and then said you answered it. That's the only reason any assumptions were made. One othe thing. What's a circus INT? I thought circus catches were difficult. I think you'll agree that those picks Favre threw seemed like pretty easy catches.

[JETSFAN5180]

I gotta be honest and agree that this is bull**** for an excuase. We did have Franks on the roster, did we not? He is just as good a blocker as Baker and still represents a receiving threat as well. He easily could have been used in the running game and still kept the D honest. If losing Chris Baker changes the gameplan that dramatically then I have to question what kind of Mickey Mouse gameplan we had in the first place.

Im guessing we have a Mickey Mouse game plan and Chris Baker plays Minnie Mouse................

[johnny green balls]

Okay, fair enough. You ignored my question and then said you answered it. That's the only reason any assumptions were made. One othe thing. What's a circus INT? I thought circus catches were difficult. I think you'll agree that those picks Favre threw seemed like pretty easy catches.

hardy har har. throwing long backyard bombs that look like they are during high school recess that are so far away from any of his own players it would take a circus catch to complete it.

also, you can't ensnare me in your twisted web of logic, i work for the phone company.

[#27TheDominator]

hardy har har. throwing long backyard bombs that look like they are during high school recess that are so far away from any of his own players it would take a circus catch to complete it.

also, you can't ensnare me in your twisted web of logic, i work for the phone company.

Are you Arlen Spector? Damn, your dad must be old!