Maxman Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Election Time: Vote Joe Klecko to the Pro Football Hall of Fame November 4, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 No politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Klecko deserves to be in the HOF without a doubt, but it appears he is being blackballed because of the whole insurance scam that he got caught up in a few years back. Of course, we do have a double murderer in the HOF plus assorted other hoodlums, but apparently being a pro-bowler at 3 different positions is not enough to overcome both playing for the Jets and having a record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 klecko did deserve an oscar for Cannonbal run or Smokey and the Bandit movie buff will know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETROCK Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 No politics. OBAMA!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 NOBAMA!!!! Fixed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Klecko deserves to be in the HOF without a doubt, but it appears he is being blackballed because of the whole insurance scam that he got caught up in a few years back. Of course, we do have a double murderer in the HOF plus assorted other hoodlums, but apparently being a pro-bowler at 3 different positions is not enough to overcome both playing for the Jets and having a record. If this was the case Michael Irvin should have never gotten in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 If this was the case Michael Irvin should have never gotten in Exactamundo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kentucky Jet Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Election Time: Vote Joe Klecko to the Pro Football Hall of Fame November 4, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Can't do it. If there is a "Hall of Very Good", I say let's vote him in... but "Hall of Fame", he doesn't quite make the mark in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kentucky Jet Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 I posted this article in the news section today but it deserves its own thread! GO Joe Klecko! and IMO Winston Hill is also very worthy of induction into the Hall of Fame. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By DAVE ANDERSON Published: November 7, 2008 The world is still whirling from the presidential election, but at the Pro Football Hall of Fame, the voting process has just begun. The 44 members of the selection committee are reducing the preliminary list of 133 modern-era candidates to 25, from which 15 will emerge for the Jan. 31 ballot that will determine the 2009 induction class. And if enough of those 44 selectors finally do the right thing, Joe Klecko will get what he has long deserved, a bronze bust in the Canton, Ohio, pantheon. Klecko, a Jets defensive lineman feared by opponents and cherished by his coaches and teammates, has been shamefully ignored in the Hall of Fame voting for more than a decade. At a muscle-bulging 6 feet 3 inches and 270 pounds during his 12 seasons, from 1977 to 1988, Klecko is the only player to go to the Pro Bowl at three different positions: defensive end and defensive tackle in a 4-3 alignment, and nose tackle in a 3-4 alignment. And if it takes a Hall of Fame offensive lineman to know a Hall of Fame defensive lineman, Anthony Mu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergen Jet Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Winston Hill is the biggest Jets HoF snub with Klecko being a close second. It is laughable that neither are in the HoF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Winston Hill is the biggest Jets HoF snub with Klecko being a close second. It is laughable that neither are in the HoF. No doubt...Hill, more than any other former Jet should be in the HOF. 8 Pro Bowls of which 7 were consecutive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Winston Hill is the biggest Jets HoF snub with Klecko being a close second. It is laughable that neither are in the HoF. Hill, I can see the argument. No way Klecko should be in the HOF. HOVG yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 8, 2008 Author Share Posted November 8, 2008 KJ -- I merged these. Looks like Tyson beat the NY Times to the proverbial punch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Anyone who thinks JK does not deserve HOF either never saw him play or has no clue what a great defensive end is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Anyone who thinks JK does not deserve HOF either never saw him play or has no clue what a great defensive end is. I watched him his entire career.... and I do have an idea what a great DE is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 They stole my idea bastards! ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Anyone who thinks JK does not deserve HOF either never saw him play or has no clue what a great defensive end is. Let's see, taking off my green glasses, what you're saying is (because as Jets fans we don't have a vote), the writers who vote to have these guys placed in the HOF, never saw him play or two, don't have a clue. I saw him play and I like to think I have a little bit of a clue on HOF type players. Yes, Joe Klecko was an exceptional player for the Jets (we haven't had that many)...but, on the grand scale of things, how does he measure up to players who played his position(s)? Sometimes as fans, we over value our players...we see it every off season when a player of ours may be trade bait and we start saying things like..."We can get at least a 2 for him...". More often than not, we settle for a low round draft choice. Don't get me wrong, I loved Klecko when he played...I just think he's a fence rider at this point and not too many writers out there give a crap about former Jet players who ride the fence of greatness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Let's take a look at the DEs who are in the HOF and how Joe compares with them: Clearly better then Klecko: Willie Davis Deacon Jones Lee Roy Selmon Guys with great reps but I can't comment on because I never saw play: Gino Marchetti Andy Robustelli The rest of the guys I think you could make a good argument that Klecko was as good as: Elvin Bethea - under-rated and finally got in a couple of years ago Carl Eller - played a long time on a great front four, mostly a pass rusher Dan Hampton (also played DT) - Outstanding at both positions, but not as explosive as Joe Howie Long - Great all around player helped by being a media darling Jack Youngblood - Played a SB on a broken leg and has a cool name, but better than Joe? I think it is borderline. But as a Jets fan, I definitely would like to see him get in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Winston Hill is the biggest Jets HoF snub with Klecko being a close second. It is laughable that neither are in the HoF. Klecko is easily the biggest snub. Winston Hill is second and Marvin Powell is a close third. There are older players who have gotten in in the last four or five years that were not nearly as worthy as Klecko. Until he gets in, the Pro Football Hall of Fame is a fraudulent enterprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Let's see, taking off my green glasses, what you're saying is (because as Jets fans we don't have a vote), the writers who vote to have these guys placed in the HOF, never saw him play or two, don't have a clue. I saw him play and I like to think I have a little bit of a clue on HOF type players. Yes, Joe Klecko was an exceptional player for the Jets (we haven't had that many)...but, on the grand scale of things, how does he measure up to players who played his position(s)? Sometimes as fans, we over value our players...we see it every off season when a player of ours may be trade bait and we start saying things like..."We can get at least a 2 for him...". More often than not, we settle for a low round draft choice. Don't get me wrong, I loved Klecko when he played...I just think he's a fence rider at this point and not too many writers out there give a crap about former Jet players who ride the fence of greatness. Wrong. Klecko was a an absolute beast at DE. It was his success in 1980 that forced the NFL to recognize the sack as an official stat. His move to DT in 1982 was one of the key moves that propelled the Jets to the AFC Championship game. He then was switched to NT when Bud Carson came in as DC in 1984 and was more dominant than ever. Joe Greene, who played the same role in the 3-4 under Carson with the Steelers said that Klecko played the position even better than he did. Dwight Stephenson, one of only three centers in the Hall of Fame and widely considered the best ever at the position and Hall of Famer, John Hannah, the best guard to ever play the game are both on record as saying that Klecko is the best they ever faced. I'll take the word over Hall of Famers like Stepehnson, Hannah, Munoz, DeLamielleure and Greene over any fan's and idiot members of the selection committee like John Clayton and Peter King, neither of whom ever played the game any day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 I hope Klecko never gets into the hall of fame. This way Klecko73isGod can never truly have inner peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 I hope Klecko never gets into the hall of fame. This way Klecko73isGod can never truly have inner peace. You bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 The most accurate compliments will come from the players and coaches you competed against. Their opinion carries much more weight than any poster here including myself. Prior to a Jet / Phin game, I forget which year, Don Shula was asked what he was going to do to slow down Mark and Joe and he said, I dont honestly know. One of them is the best in the league.......and the other one is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Wrong. Klecko was a an absolute beast at DE. It was his success in 1980 that forced the NFL to recognize the sack as an official stat. His move to DT in 1982 was one of the key moves that propelled the Jets to the AFC Championship game. He then was switched to NT when Bud Carson came in as DC in 1984 and was more dominant than ever. Joe Greene, who played the same role in the 3-4 under Carson with the Steelers said that Klecko played the position even better than he did. Dwight Stephenson, one of only three centers in the Hall of Fame and widely considered the best ever at the position and Hall of Famer, John Hannah, the best guard to ever play the game are both on record as saying that Klecko is the best they ever faced. I'll take the word over Hall of Famers like Stepehnson, Hannah, Munoz, DeLamielleure and Greene over any fan's and idiot members of the selection committee like John Clayton and Peter King, neither of whom ever played the game any day of the week. Wrong? I don't think so....if it's such clear cut, why isn't he in the HOF then? No Jets fan is saying he wasn't a great player for us so spare your post of trying to convince me or anyone else...whip up an email and send it to the writers...the people that you're trying to persuade. More than likely if Klecko had a ring it would have put him over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Wrong? I don't think so....if it's such clear cut, why isn't he in the HOF then? No Jets fan is saying he wasn't a great player for us so spare your post of trying to convince me or anyone else...whip up an email and send it to the writers...the people that you're trying to persuade. More than likely if Klecko had a ring it would have put him over the top. I think I made that clear in my post. The main reason Klecko is not in the Hall of Fame is because of the idiots on the selection committee which have and currently include notorious Jets hating morons like John Clayton and Peter King and underinformed schmucks who lack knowledge like Sam Kuvares from Jacksonville. These are the same jackasses who took forever to put Art Monk in the Hall of Fame. The selection committee is hardly infallible and they are far more notable for their exclusions than their inductions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 I think I made that clear in my post. The main reason Klecko is not in the Hall of Fame is because of the idiots on the selection committee which have and currently include notorious Jets hating morons like John Clayton and Peter King and underinformed schmucks who lack knowledge like Sam Kuvares from Jacksonville. These are the same jackasses who took forever to put Art Monk in the Hall of Fame. The selection committee is hardly infallible and they are far more notable for their exclusions than their inductions. Understand completely...but, you have to remember that the HOF committee has a lot more idiots than Clayton and King who just have one vote each. Face it, the Jets don't have many friends outside of Jets World. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Klecko is easily the biggest snub. Winston Hill is second and Marvin Powell is a close third. There are older players who have gotten in in the last four or five years that were not nearly as worthy as Klecko. Until he gets in, the Pro Football Hall of Fame is a fraudulent enterprise. and with your username, Im sure you're opinion is unbiased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 and with your username, Im sure you're opinion is unbiased. You think maybe the reason I picked this as my username is the FACT that Klecko was awesome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 You think maybe the reason I picked this as my username is the FACT that Klecko was awesome? does the chicken come before the egg? Klecko belongs in the HoVG. not the HoF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 http://www.profootballhof.com/enshrinement/story.jsp?story_id=2962 Again no respect for our Jets. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 The only defensive linemen on that list at Klecko's level are Charles Haley and Bruce Smith. Kevin Greene? Are you ****ing kidding me? The selection committee doesn't know its ass from its elbow and knows even less than that about football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 The only defensive linemen on that list at Klecko's level are Charles Haley and Bruce Smith. Kevin Greene? Are you ****ing kidding me? The selection committee doesn't know its ass from its elbow and knows even less than that about football. Smith was one of the best ever. Greene? Pass rush specialist, Gastineau was better. Haley? Give me a break. How can you give any cred to this process when Steve Tasker makes the cut and Joe K does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 The only defensive linemen on that list at Klecko's level are Charles Haley and Bruce Smith. Kevin Greene? Are you ****ing kidding me? The selection committee doesn't know its ass from its elbow and knows even less than that about football. Unfortunately, Klecko's stats don't match up with the other guys on the list, and that's all these guys have to fall back on when making their decisions, because you know damn well they're not sitting down and watching hours of tape before casting their votes. How many Jets games in the early 80's do you think these guys were watching? They can do a quick search and see that Kevin Greene has 160 career sacks though, compared to the 24 "official" sacks that Klecko recorded in his career. If the Jets had won the Super Bowl in '82, maybe that would've put him over the top. Does Fred Dean get in if he didn't force his way out of San Diego to be part of 2 Super Bowl teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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