Klecko73isGod Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Unfortunately, Klecko's stats don't match up with the other guys on the list, and that's all these guys have to fall back on when making their decisions, because you know damn well they're not sitting down and watching hours of tape before casting their votes. How many Jets games in the early 80's do you think these guys were watching? They can do a quick search and see that Kevin Greene has 160 career sacks though, compared to the 24 "official" sacks that Klecko recorded in his career. If the Jets had won the Super Bowl in '82, maybe that would've put him over the top. Does Fred Dean get in if he didn't force his way out of San Diego to be part of 2 Super Bowl teams? That's bull****. When guys like Roger Wherle, who played his entire career for ****ty Cardinals teams got in a couple of years ago, the SB argument is meaningless. How do explain Art Monk taking forever to get in despite three SB rings? The Hall of Fame is an individual honor. The Super Bowl is a team accomplishment. The Hall of Fame has no excuse for having selectors who have such a limited knowledge and understanding of the game. Until Klecko and several others get in, the Hall is a fraudulent enterprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Do we even know how many sacks Klecko had his entire career. I thought they didn't start keeping tracks of sacks till 1981 ? Defensive guys in my mind kind of get the short stick when it comes to HOF balloting. Guys like Klecko, Randy Gradishar, and Ken Riley barely get a sniff (Well Gradishar did last year) because they were overshadowed by the great Steelers teams of the 70's who got all the media hype. Klecko get overshadowed by Joe Greene Gradishar by Lambert Riley by Mel Blount. Andre Tippett was in that group till he got in last year. Hopefully Klecko gets the call this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 That's bull****. When guys like Roger Wherle, who played his entire career for ****ty Cardinals teams got in a couple of years ago, the SB argument is meaningless. Wherli boasts 7 Pro-Bowl selections, 40 career INT's and 22 fumble recoveries. These are numbers these voters can use to justify their vote when they don't have first-hand knowledge of a player. The officially recorded statistics for Klecko do not help his argument. Again, these guys probably saw very little of these players in the pre-Internet, pre-Sunday Ticket, pre-Thursday/Sunday night era and are not knocking down the doors at NFL films to get footage to analyze. How do explain Art Monk taking forever to get in despite three SB rings? Because Monk was a compiler and not a HOF'er in my opinion. If Al Toon didn't have 42 concussions, he puts up similar numbers. BTW - they're even in All-Pro (1) and Pro-Bowl (3) selections. Was Monk a clearly better receiver than Henry Ellard? How about Irving Fryar? His stupid Cal Ripken-like streak is one of the reasons I think people remember him being a better player than he really was. The Hall of Fame is an individual honor. The Super Bowl is a team accomplishment. Yes, but guys who play for Super Bowl teams get more press, and thus, more recognition. It's also another one of those stats that the voters can point to as justification and an area that Klecko lacks when compared to others, which hurts his cause. The Hall of Fame has no excuse for having selectors who have such a limited knowledge and understanding of the game. I agree 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Hopefully Klecko gets the call this year. Shawn, this thread was brought up again because Klecko did not make the cut announced today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Klecko was dominant, period. The fact that he does not even get considered is a travesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Shawn, this thread was brought up again because Klecko did not make the cut announced today Guess I should have looked at the date. DUH !!!!! That being the case, then fact that Kevin Greene, Doleman are on that list makes it a joke cause Klecko was better than either one them. Klecko is going to be one of those guys that will have to wait I guess until the Veterans comittee picks him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Klecko was involved in some kind of insurance fraud involving a gas refinery. I don't know if he did any jail time, and don't remember how it was all resolved. I wonder if it has anything to do with the snub. Only reason I can think of that he wouldn't even be considered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 Klecko was involved in some kind of insurance fraud involving a gas refinery. I don't know if he did any jail time, and don't remember how it was all resolved. I wonder if it has anything to do with the snub. Only reason I can think of that he wouldn't even be considered He's been eligible since before any of that happened so no. Charles Haley waved his dick in his teammates faces and jerked off to completion in team meetings yet he's a finalist. Stop trying to apply logic to this. Klecko is being snubbed because he was a Jet. Plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 What a god damn joke.... pathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted November 26, 2008 Share Posted November 26, 2008 That's bull****. When guys like Roger Wherle, who played his entire career for ****ty Cardinals teams got in a couple of years ago, the SB argument is meaningless. How do explain Art Monk taking forever to get in despite three SB rings? The Hall of Fame is an individual honor. The Super Bowl is a team accomplishment. The Hall of Fame has no excuse for having selectors who have such a limited knowledge and understanding of the game. Until Klecko and several others get in, the Hall is a fraudulent enterprise. Yes and no. How do you explain then the (excluding Marino) the dolphins that are in the HOF...starting with Bob ****ing Griese and Nick ****ing Buoniconti? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boynton Beach Jets Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 He's been eligible since before any of that happened so no. Charles Haley waved his dick in his teammates faces and jerked off to completion in team meetings yet he's a finalist. Stop trying to apply logic to this. Klecko is being snubbed because he was a Jet. Plain and simple. You 100% right on, when the Jets win the Super Bowl the Jets will get national recognition this will hopefully give a national stage to the Jets greats and organization Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FF2 Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 There's a good reason Klecko isn't in the Hall of Fame. He wasn't nearly good enough. Grow up and get over it. It's not like he was Andre Tippett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FF2 Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 And your the definition of a troll. If you think Tippett is a HOF and Klecko is not you are a bigger clown then you let on Hey, BBJ doosha baggo... Tippet is IN the Hall of Fame. Kleck is not. So suck it doosh. The rest of the world agrees wit ME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FF2 Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 You 100% right on, when the Jets win the Super Bowl the Jets will get national recognition this will hopefully give a national stage to the Jets greats and organization LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FF2 Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 It must be in your little world, because there are lots of people feel that Klecko belongs in the hall of fame. I guess you did not see Klecko play I did, he was very good but not great. It ain't the Hall of Very Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FF2 Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 But then Tippett should be in the Hall of Longevity The powers that be have seen fit to elect Mr. Tippett. And NOT Mr. Klecko. I defer to their expertise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ZachEY Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Who's Joe Klecko? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jetfan13 Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Can't do it. If there is a "Hall of Very Good", I say let's vote him in... but "Hall of Fame", he doesn't quite make the mark in my eyes. THEN YOU SHOULD TRY OPENING YOUR EYES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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