How did the New York media attack Herm in his final year?

[bfett81]

I'm assuming there had to be some sort of weekly anti-Edwards effort as 2005 got worse and worse for you guys. I know the NY media isn't kind. Do you think that contributed to his eventual escape or would he have stuck around another year if Carl Peterson hadn't ponied up a 4th?

[Lil Bit Special]

I'm assuming there had to be some sort of weekly anti-Edwards effort as 2005 got worse and worse for you guys. I know the NY media isn't kind. Do you think that contributed to his eventual escape or would he have stuck around another year if Carl Peterson hadn't ponied up a 4th?

Herm screwed himself with 2 months of bullcrap about the KC job. The media was making plenty of excuses for hermie. Very few bashed him until the KC stuff came up.

The fans were not happy with Herm after the Pittsburgh debacle, but the media still loved hermie.

[Arsis]

cannizaro still loves him.

[Thai Jet]

Herm screwed himself with 2 months of bullcrap about the KC job. The media was making plenty of excuses for hermie. Very few bashed him until the KC stuff came up.

The fans were not happy with Herm after the Pittsburgh debacle, but the media still loved hermie.

Herm kinda orchestrated his exit from NY. Some of the KC crap he was spewing to the paters made it impossible for Woody to retain him. That's the one thing I have against him. The way he slithered out of town by his own doing. KC wanted him so bad , now you're stuck with him. At least for now.

[Thai Jet]

cannizaro still loves him.

Only because they used to date in high school.

[KSJets]

Only because they used to date in high school.

That's absolutely not true. Herm keeps him fully stocked up on ribs and food from his bbq's

[Lil Bit Special]

Herm kinda orchestrated his exit from NY. Some of the KC crap he was spewing to the paters made it impossible for Woody to retain him. That's the one thing I have against him. The way he slithered out of town by his own doing. KC wanted him so bad , now you're stuck with him. At least for now.

Herm totally did orchestrate his exit. He realized he only had 1 more season with the Jets before being exposed for the fraud he is and getting fired. In KC, he knew he would get 4 years out of them before they figured it out.

Im surprised one of his media friends hasnt begun discussing Herm leaving for college yet. That is the obvious step for him.

[Sperm Edwards]

I'm assuming there had to be some sort of weekly anti-Edwards effort as 2005 got worse and worse for you guys. I know the NY media isn't kind. Do you think that contributed to his eventual escape or would he have stuck around another year if Carl Peterson hadn't ponied up a 4th?

They never turned on him. They attributed our 2005 season to bad luck and that Herm was "a very good head coach" who was a "master motivator" but he was dealt a bum hand because of injuries.

Then he left and Mark Cannizzaro in particular went totally postal on the Jets. Everything they did was bad. Anyone they hired was bad. Anyone they drafted was bad & even those players were the victims of his scorn for the group that replaced his beloved Herm.

He's not all that bright anyway & his football knowledge leaves much to be desired.

But the short answer is my first sentence: they didn't turn on him.

[bfett81]

Wow, this is incredible.

I guess the KC media has been much tougher on him. Amazing.

[Jet Moses]

Wow, this is incredible.

I guess the KC media has been much tougher on him. Amazing.

Well...

After 8 years I think the novelty finally wore off.

[jason423]

For whatever reason(maybe because he always gave the reporters great access to the team and a friendly smile) the NY media treated Herm with kids gloves. When Herm said he had never talked to KC they took him at face value. When the season went in the tank it was the fact the team had no QB. When Herm made a gameday blunder it was usually the fault of someone else.

I think Herm left because he wanted more money and he saw the writing on the wall in NY. Woody wasnt going to give him an extension and he knew Chad was in bad shape and that the odds of a playoff season in 2006 were slim. Back to back bad years and he has a hard time getting a head coaching job. He sold 2005 as a fluke and ran off to KC to become your headache.

[Arsis]

New York media is brutal but stupid as ****.

[serphnx]

They never turned on him. Instead they relentlessly bashed our owner and the rest of the franchise. They also bemoaned Herm's bad luck. That man was absolutely untouchable. I really couldn't get it since the NY media hates the Jets so much, and hates everyone in general. But with Herm, they always treated him like some sort of saint.

I have seen some negative articles about Herm from KC. If anyone tried that in NY they'd get ostracized by the media and viciously attacked for it.

Actually Herm had his fans even in our fanbase. One of them still lurks around here and if you mention Herm he is summoned and will argue mindlessly with you until you just give up.

I don't know how you can get rid of Herm. He is like some sort of roach. We got lucky in that our owner hated him, was pissed at the media, and Herm wanted to leave. After Herm left we got killed in the media for "getting bamboozled" by Peterson for "only" getting a 4th rounder for Herm. Our media constantly told us that this franchise was terrible and run by a bunch of kids that had no clue what they were doing.

[Thai Jet]

Herm totally did orchestrate his exit. He realized he only had 1 more season with the Jets before being exposed for the fraud he is and getting fired. In KC, he knew he would get 4 years out of them before they figured it out.

Im surprised one of his media friends hasnt begun discussing Herm leaving for college yet. That is the obvious step for him.

I know there's one out there but in my mind what college would want this clown ???

[Lil Bit Special]

I know there's one out there but in my mind what college would want this clown ???

I think Herm would do great as a college coach. He would be a master motivator and recruiter. He bullsh!tted the NY media for a long time. He can bullsh!t some highschool kid to come to bumf@ck U.

Herm can do like Joe Pa and just stand there and do nothing and let his coaches do all the real work.

Im sure there is some school in a bowl conference that could use a big name to help them get into the national spotlight.

[flgreen]

I think Herm would do great as a college coach. He would be a master motivator and recruiter. He bullsh!tted the NY media for a long time. He can bullsh!t some highschool kid to come to bumf@ck U.

Herm can do like Joe Pa and just stand there and do nothing and let his coaches do all the real work.

Im sure there is some school in a bowl conference that could use a big name to help them get into the national spotlight.

I agree

Look at the guy at USC, herm is the black Pete

[Lil Bit Special]

I agree

Look at the guy at USC, herm is the black Pete

I would love to hear Herm talk about a stuffed beaver.

[Blackout]

i hate herm

[gangreenman]

Its important to remember that in his four years here, Herm did make the playoffs twice '02 and '04, and both times he got to the 2nd round. The other two years '03 and '05. His starting QB was injured for at least the better part of the season. I still think he was a sh!t coach, but its important to remember that its not like he ever had back to back losing seasons here, and made the excuse that the only reason he was losing was because of a youth movement that was his idea.

[#27TheDominator]

They never turned on him. Instead they relentlessly bashed our owner and the rest of the franchise. They also bemoaned Herm's bad luck. That man was absolutely untouchable. I really couldn't get it since the NY media hates the Jets so much, and hates everyone in general. But with Herm, they always treated him like some sort of saint.

I have seen some negative articles about Herm from KC. If anyone tried that in NY they'd get ostracized by the media and viciously attacked for it.

Actually Herm had his fans even in our fanbase. One of them still lurks around here and if you mention Herm he is summoned and will argue mindlessly with you until you just give up.

I don't know how you can get rid of Herm. He is like some sort of roach. We got lucky in that our owner hated him, was pissed at the media, and Herm wanted to leave. After Herm left we got killed in the media for "getting bamboozled" by Peterson for "only" getting a 4th rounder for Herm. Our media constantly told us that this franchise was terrible and run by a bunch of kids that had no clue what they were doing.

We did get "bamboozled". We got a worse pick than any other team that had their coach tampered with. Just because we were lucky to get rid of ****ty ass coach doesn't mean we shouldn't have gotten a better pick.

[Sperm Edwards]

We did get "bamboozled". We got a worse pick than any other team that had their coach tampered with. Just because we were lucky to get rid of ****ty ass coach doesn't mean we shouldn't have gotten a better pick.

Tagliabue just didn't want to publicly admit his hand-picked head coach consorted with (and was tampered with by) the Chiefs while he was under contract for 2 more years with the Jets.

A fourth made it just sound like a trade for (on paper) a mediocre head coach instead of punishment. Even though a team receiving compensation from another team for its head coach by definition had their coach tampered with.

Hell, there was more compensation for Marty Schottenheimer after he retired from coaching the Chiefs a year or two earlier. He wasn't even coaching them anymore (read: there wasn't any tampering with an active head coach) when the Redskins had to give up back-to-back 3rd round picks. Herm was still the HC of the Jets and we got a single mid-late 4th rounder.

Other compensation:

1997: Jets to Patriots for Parcells: Jets had to give up a pick in each of the first 4 rounds spread over 3 drafts. The 1st rounder (I think) came in year three (1999).

2000: Patriots to Jets for Belichick: immediate 1st round pick.

2002: Bucs to Raiders for Gruden: (I think) 1st & 2nd in both the immediate & following seasons, plus $8M in cash.

2002: KC to Rams for Vermeil (who had technically "retired" already but StL retained his rights): immediate 2nd & 3rd round picks.

Herm was Tagliabue's golden boy & that's likely why he pushed for such low compensation. Whether he went to the Chiefs or not, it was clear that Herm had consorted with them & could not properly return to the team as its HC in 2006. What was worse was that this was the 2nd time that this was done by the same franchise in 4 years. Their punishment (compensation to the Jets) should have been that much greater because of it & Peterson should have been banned from the NFL for his repeated offense.

And the funniest part of all this was that some in the NY media (Cannizzaro in particular) had the temerity to find fault with the Jets over the whole scandal & paint Herm as some sort of victim instead of the self-serving, underhanded scumbag he was and still is.

[KSJets]

And the funniest part of all this was that some in the NY media (Cannizzaro in particular) had the temerity to find fault with the Jets over the whole scandal & paint Herm as some sort of victim instead of the self-serving, underhanded scumbag he was and still is.

I wish you would just come right out and say how you really feel about Herm

[abyzmul]

The New York media, and our beat writers in particular, have to be some of the laziest journalists in the history of print.

Herman Edwards was their dream coach. He gave them floods of sound bites, stories about chickens and buses and barbeques - and he wasn't shy about talking about his game strategy for upcoming games. They didn't have to do a damn thing to get material for their articles. Just pop a quarter in and let the retard ramble.

As far as the media was concerned, Herm was the Yogi Berra of football coaches for 5 years.

[Kleckineau]

The New York media, and our beat writers in particular, have to be some of the laziest journalists in the history of print.

Herman Edwards was their dream coach. He gave them floods of sound bites, stories about chickens and buses and barbeques - and he wasn't shy about talking about his game strategy for upcoming games. They didn't have to do a damn thing to get material for their articles. Just pop a quarter in and let the retard ramble.

As far as the media was concerned, Herm was the Yogi Berra of football coaches for 5 years.

Good points, except Yogi was a winner.

[abyzmul]

Good points, except Yogi was a winner.

Yeah, like I said, as far as the media is concerned. They don't really care who wins the games, as long as it gives them some easy writing material.

[bfett81]

Yeah, like I said, as far as the media is concerned. They don't really care who wins the games, as long as it gives them some easy writing material.

The KC media is a little different.

[jack48]

Its important to remember that in his four years here, Herm did make the playoffs twice '02 and '04, and both times he got to the 2nd round. The other two years '03 and '05. His starting QB was injured for at least the better part of the season. I still think he was a sh!t coach, but its important to remember that its not like he ever had back to back losing seasons here, and made the excuse that the only reason he was losing was because of a youth movement that was his idea.

I attribuite '02 to leftover Parcells personnel and '04 to pure dumb dip**** luck.

[Jetsfan80]

The KC media is a little different.

Glad to hear it, about time he gets the negative press he deserves.

What's the timeline on Herm's termination?

[Gainzo]

The New York media, and our beat writers in particular, have to be some of the laziest journalists in the history of print.

Herman Edwards was their dream coach. He gave them floods of sound bites, stories about chickens and buses and barbeques - and he wasn't shy about talking about his game strategy for upcoming games. They didn't have to do a damn thing to get material for their articles. Just pop a quarter in and let the retard ramble.

As far as the media was concerned, Herm was the Yogi Berra of football coaches for 5 years.

That pretty much sums it up. After 3 years of Parcells and 1 year of Groh (a Parcells disciple) the media finally had a guy who would give them all the information they needed. Hell, the media didn't even need to ask questions as Herm would just give them information.

[Jet Moses]

And the funniest part of all this was that some in the NY media (Cannizzaro in particular) had the temerity to find fault with the Jets over the whole scandal & paint Herm as some sort of victim instead of the self-serving, underhanded scumbag he was and still is.

Bingo.

[SouthernJet]

I'm assuming there had to be some sort of weekly anti-Edwards effort as 2005 got worse and worse for you guys. I know the NY media isn't kind. Do you think that contributed to his eventual escape or would he have stuck around another year if Carl Peterson hadn't ponied up a 4th?

[bfett81]

Glad to hear it, about time he gets the negative press he deserves.

What's the timeline on Herm's termination?

The consensus is Herm needs to win 4 or 5 games in the second half to keep his job.

[SouthernJet]

The consensus is Herm needs to win 4 or 5 games in the second half to keep his job.

he is very skilled at winning meaningless games at end of year to save his job..

he usually just misses out or gets a aawy game wildcard game..

but u can be sure he wil lwin a few 'who cares' games at end and make a case of 'see how i am improving'

[Blackout]

what college will hire him next year

[jetophile]

I feel like a broken record, but I know the exact, precise moment when I soured on Herman Edwards. I'll repeat myself for the bazillionth time in a couple.

I was happy over the hire, and thought a black coach was great for NY. I loved and looked forward to his quirky sound bytes ("It's not the skill, men - it's the will!" - entire locker room looks confused, Curtis Martin smirks - hilarious). His post-game pressers were pure gold. Fabulous. Anyway, the team really wanted to play for him, and he was close with Penny. All good.

In Herm's (slight) defense, no-one could have made good on 2005 with a decimated roster. But here's where and when I faulted him as he DID deserve. Our roster was decimated, correct; so throw every schlepp on the practice squad the F out onto the field. Find your diamonds in the rough. Play Cotchery. Be gutsy. Let everyone run the table. What was to be lost when the season was soon to be lost on paper and the Jets were already doomed? Games? Haha, c'mon. So when he handcuffed Bollinger in an entirely winnable game in early October of '05 vs. the Ravens, it was clear. I'd been duped.

Then, we had everyone get into the 'he's a liar, hypocrite' thing when he went to KC. Yes, he could have handled it better than your average politician, but who the hell CARED at that point? And why?! It was a business decision to him, and the fan base got what they wanted, no? I never saw the point of obsessing over HOW he left when most every Jets fan wanted to kick him in his azz at that point in the first place. The end.