Kleckineau Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Draft a QB? Are there good QB prospects coming out in this draft? Would we have a shot at one if the Jets finish with 10 or 11 wins? 10 or 11 wins would leave us drafting @ 15th spot maybe? Do they hand the ball to Brett Ratliff? Is KC even an option at this point? Situation seems to be an 800lb gorilla in the room that is not spoken about. If not adressed we could go from pretty good to lousy again real fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 10-11 wins drafts a lot lower than 15th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 I'd like to see more from Brett Ratliff before we turn the team over to him. The Kellen Clemens experiment was an epic failure, he's a backup and will always be a backup. Is Ainge a complete failure as well?? Hopefully Ratliff is learning a thing or two from Farvruh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqua4ever04 Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Next year's class has potential to be very good. Sam Bradford is the real deal. If you want an intelligent young man that can sit in the pocket and make every throw, he's your dude. Matt Stafford is the same. Poise, bright and very accurate. People tend to call Graham Harrell a product of the system but I couldn't disagree more with that. Another quality prospect. Then you have the underclassmen led by Colt McCoy. He says he's staying but I never believe anyone during the season. Once people start telling him he could lock up $30 million in guaranteed money as soon as next May, he could change his mind. I think the Jets need to start thinking about a quarterback. Favre definitely won't play past 2009 and might not even be a Jet '09. What were the terms of the Favre trade again? What pick do they give up if they make the playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted November 8, 2008 Author Share Posted November 8, 2008 10-11 wins drafts a lot lower than 15th. Ouch...draft may not be an option. BTW, Is it true draft rules are going to change and this draft will be last time underclassmen can leave school for NFL? Who knows ANYTHING about Ainges potential ?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqua4ever04 Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Ouch...drafting may not be an option. You don't have to have a top 10 pick to strike it rich on a quarterback. Just this last year Joe Flacco was the 18th pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 You don't have to have a top 10 pick to strike it rich on a quarterback. Just this last year Joe Flacco was the 18th pick. And we're calling Flacco 'striking it rich' at this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 It would be counter productive to draft yet another QB when we drafted one last year. Drafting a QB right now would put us years behind, unless we're drafting one from a school witha pro style like offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 If there's one they really like whenever they pick, I don't see why they wouldn't draft him. I mean, if there's a QB there they're not going to think "Man, we need a QB and this guy could be awesome, but we took one two years ago that didn't work out, let's pass." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted November 8, 2008 Author Share Posted November 8, 2008 It would be counter productive to draft yet another QB when we drafted one last year. Drafting a QB right now would put us years behind, unless we're drafting one from a school witha pro style like offense. What youre saying certainly makes sense but what if we are left with KC, Ratliff and Ainge. Do we draft.........................or wait for the Phins to cut Chad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 I think you have to let ratliff clemens and ainge fight it out in camp I'd really like to see a DE or WR early Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 It would be counter productive to draft yet another QB when we drafted one last year. Drafting a QB right now would put us years behind, unless we're drafting one from a school witha pro style like offense. No it wouldn't, and how far behind is Atlanta for picking Matt Ryan? For QBs, you keep drafting one until you get a good one. A great QB instantly turns around your franchise, especially if you've been building other components well. A terrible QB makes everyone else look terrible. Vick tried to convince everyone that the Falcons WRs all sucked, and Ryan is showing the opposite to be true. The bad franchises in this league are the ones that doggedly stick to QBs they drafted when it is obvious those players will never develop into what they wanted. It takes years only if you pick the wrong one everytime and then keep sticking with them. If you get the right one, you should be competitive right away if you've surrounded that player with a good team, and you just might win an SB in the 2nd or 3rd year, but at least you should be making the playoffs. Like with Rivers, Ben and Eli, and it looks like Ryan will join that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 You don't have to have a top 10 pick to strike it rich on a quarterback. Just this last year Joe Flacco was the 18th pick. And we're calling Flacco 'striking it rich' at this point? Good point. We don't know about Flacco, and besides he is something of a special case, coming from a small school. That likely lowered his draft position. There are 32 teams in the NFL, and let's say 25 of them have quality veteran QB's. That might be pushing it, but let's just use the number for illustration right now. It takes two years to normally develop a QB, and then they become starters for 10 years from that point. So that means that each draft class, on average, produces 2.5 QB's who develop into 10 year starters. Given this scenario, it only makes sense to choose your starter in the first round, as high up as you can get. Sure, every now and then an undrafted free agent like Romo makes it big, but considering the small percentage of QB's who become 10 year starters, you have little choice but to select your QB as high up in the draft as you can manage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Prediction time for me...the next QB to lead this team for at least a decade is already on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Good point. We don't know about Flacco, and besides he is something of a special case, coming from a small school. That likely lowered his draft position. The small school likely raised his draft position. The guy played at Delaware... how hard is it to look impressive against DeVry, and ITT Technical Institute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Prediction time for me...the next QB to lead this team for at least a decade is already on this team. Brad Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Babe Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Draft a QB? Are there good QB prospects coming out in this draft? Would we have a shot at one if the Jets finish with 10 or 11 wins? 10 or 11 wins would leave us drafting @ 15th spot maybe? Do they hand the ball to Brett Ratliff? Is KC even an option at this point? Situation seems to be an 800lb gorilla in the room that is not spoken about. If not adressed we could go from pretty good to lousy again real fast. absolutely. and we draft him in the first round. have him compete with ratliff for the starting job, and trade clemens away for a 5th or 4th rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 I just don't get the Ratliff love. Did the guy demonstrate the ability to do anything besides throw a deep ball to wide open receivers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 All it takes is a horrible combine by one of the top 3 and they'd drop to where the Jets should be drafting. Watching all three of them play (Stafford in particular), shows a lot more than any combine can, but as always a poor one will lead to a big drop in the 1st round. Personally, I'm hoping for Stafford, but wouldn't have a problem with Harrell either, after seeing him play last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 I just don't get the Ratliff love. Did the guy demonstrate the ability to do anything besides throw a deep ball to wide open receivers? He looked like Peyton Manning when handing the ball off. Ya gotta give him that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Does the Florida game concern any Stafford supporters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 I just don't get the Ratliff love. Did the guy demonstrate the ability to do anything besides throw a deep ball to wide open receivers? Yeah, I liked his pocket presence...unlike this guy out of Oregon that some fans had a man love for. Whatever happened to that poster from Oregon who said he was a Jets fan first when challenged...gone. Guess he was more a Clemens fan after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Yeah, I liked his pocket presence...unlike this guy out of Oregon that some fans had a man love for. Whatever happened to that poster from Oregon who said he was a Jets fan first when challenged...gone. Guess he was more a Clemens fan after all. Ok. But I think you need quite a bit more than 'better than Clemens' to be considered the future of the organization. Especially if Clemens is as bad as you say he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Ok. But I think you need quite a bit more than 'better than Clemens' to be considered the future of the organization. Especially if Clemens is as bad as you say he is. I don't know how bad Clemens is to be honest. I just don't like the fact that the kid had the chance to really put his brand on the QB position and failed to do so. Hey, I could be wrong about Brett Jr.; it's just a gut feeling I have that this kid is going to be our big surprise once Brett Sr. leaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetguy32 Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Ratliff!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGDIRK Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Think about all the Qbs we've had the last 25 years (how many SB appearances in that time)....Keep drafting em til we find one. Maybe sometime in the next few decades we will get lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gang_green03 Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Their best bet would be to wait till the next draft to get a QB unless someone falls in their laps. They'll most likely not have a high enough pick to have a real shot at a top QB so it'd be in their best interest to fill other holes like safety. The next class looks pretty good assuming not all the juniors come out and they can make a move then. Also, it would give them a season to confirm what they have in Clemens and Ratliff before investing in a top rookie QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Target Derek Anderson via trade or Free Agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Draft a QB? Do they hand the ball to Brett Ratliff? Is KC even an option at this point? D) Panic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjfan Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 After the Brett the Jet wins another Superbowl ring this year he will stick around and go for another one when Tom Brady is back in the division next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gang_green03 Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Target Derek Anderson via trade or Free Agency. Huh, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 I think we have three good prospects between Ainge, Brett and Kellen (jury not completely out on him yet). We need a WR in the draft and another MLB. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 I just don't get the Ratliff love. Did the guy demonstrate the ability to do anything besides throw a deep ball to wide open receivers? It's WAY to early to anoint Ratliff any kind of savior, but actually he did show more then a big arm. In the first pre season game, the one he threw the two TD's to Clowney, the third drive, which resulted in a FG was a great QB drive. Ratliff was 9-12 in a 17 play drive that took 8:06 off the board. It was a beautiful drive for a young QB. The Browns weren't giving him anything long, because of the bomb he threw to Clowney in his first one play drive. He stood in the pocket and took what they gave them. Making reads, and throwing the ball underneath, instead of throwing the ball into coverage because of his previous success. He did that all game until in the 4th quarter when the Browns starting cheating up to take away the short ball, and he read the defense again, and hooked up with Clowney long again for another long TD. I'm not saying that he is clearly a future franchise QB, but you can't ask any more form a young QB then what he showed in that game. Keep in mind that in that game Clemens only played in one series, and Ratliff took over when the Browns first and 2nd string was still on the field. I'm excited about this kid myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Many... MANY of the QBs that have surfaced over the past 2 decades were 2nd/3rd stringers before they eventually stepped in and made names for themselves. Kellen Clemens could very well still pan out, he didn't belong on the field last year... but that doesn't mean he won't ever be a starting QB in the league. Give him another year or so, as long as there isn't tremendous turnover on the team and he has the chance to work with the same QB coach, OC and personnel... he has a shot at maturing, and eventually "getting it." I'd say the same for Ratliff. We don't need to worry about this stuff now. Next year, if Brett leaves. There'll be options. I'd rather talk about what it'd take to have Brett come back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGDIRK Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 D) Panic. Hahahahahahahaha. Unfortunately the correct answer is D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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