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Draft a QB? Are there good QB prospects coming out in this draft?

Would we have a shot at one if the Jets finish with 10 or 11 wins?

10 or 11 wins would leave us drafting @ 15th spot maybe?

Do they hand the ball to Brett Ratliff?

Is KC even an option at this point?:confused:

Situation seems to be an 800lb gorilla in the room that is not spoken about.

If not adressed we could go from pretty good to lousy again real fast.

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I'd like to see more from Brett Ratliff before we turn the team over to him.

The Kellen Clemens experiment was an epic failure, he's a backup and will always be a backup.

Is Ainge a complete failure as well??

Hopefully Ratliff is learning a thing or two from Farvruh!

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Next year's class has potential to be very good. Sam Bradford is the real deal. If you want an intelligent young man that can sit in the pocket and make every throw, he's your dude. Matt Stafford is the same. Poise, bright and very accurate.

People tend to call Graham Harrell a product of the system but I couldn't disagree more with that. Another quality prospect.

Then you have the underclassmen led by Colt McCoy. He says he's staying but I never believe anyone during the season. Once people start telling him he could lock up $30 million in guaranteed money as soon as next May, he could change his mind.

I think the Jets need to start thinking about a quarterback. Favre definitely won't play past 2009 and might not even be a Jet '09.

What were the terms of the Favre trade again? What pick do they give up if they make the playoffs?

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It would be counter productive to draft yet another QB when we drafted one last year.

Drafting a QB right now would put us years behind, unless we're drafting one from a school witha pro style like offense.

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If there's one they really like whenever they pick, I don't see why they wouldn't draft him. I mean, if there's a QB there they're not going to think "Man, we need a QB and this guy could be awesome, but we took one two years ago that didn't work out, let's pass."

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It would be counter productive to draft yet another QB when we drafted one last year.

Drafting a QB right now would put us years behind, unless we're drafting one from a school witha pro style like offense.

What youre saying certainly makes sense but what if we are left with KC, Ratliff and Ainge.

Do we draft.........................or wait for the Phins to cut Chad?

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It would be counter productive to draft yet another QB when we drafted one last year.

Drafting a QB right now would put us years behind, unless we're drafting one from a school witha pro style like offense.

No it wouldn't, and how far behind is Atlanta for picking Matt Ryan?

For QBs, you keep drafting one until you get a good one. A great QB instantly turns around your franchise, especially if you've been building other components well. A terrible QB makes everyone else look terrible. Vick tried to convince everyone that the Falcons WRs all sucked, and Ryan is showing the opposite to be true.

The bad franchises in this league are the ones that doggedly stick to QBs they drafted when it is obvious those players will never develop into what they wanted. It takes years only if you pick the wrong one everytime and then keep sticking with them. If you get the right one, you should be competitive right away if you've surrounded that player with a good team, and you just might win an SB in the 2nd or 3rd year, but at least you should be making the playoffs. Like with Rivers, Ben and Eli, and it looks like Ryan will join that list.

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You don't have to have a top 10 pick to strike it rich on a quarterback. Just this last year Joe Flacco was the 18th pick.

And we're calling Flacco 'striking it rich' at this point?

Good point. We don't know about Flacco, and besides he is something of a special case, coming from a small school. That likely lowered his draft position.

There are 32 teams in the NFL, and let's say 25 of them have quality veteran QB's. That might be pushing it, but let's just use the number for illustration right now.

It takes two years to normally develop a QB, and then they become starters for 10 years from that point. So that means that each draft class, on average, produces 2.5 QB's who develop into 10 year starters.

Given this scenario, it only makes sense to choose your starter in the first round, as high up as you can get. Sure, every now and then an undrafted free agent like Romo makes it big, but considering the small percentage of QB's who become 10 year starters, you have little choice but to select your QB as high up in the draft as you can manage.

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Good point. We don't know about Flacco, and besides he is something of a special case, coming from a small school. That likely lowered his draft position.

The small school likely raised his draft position. The guy played at Delaware... how hard is it to look impressive against DeVry, and ITT Technical Institute?

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Draft a QB? Are there good QB prospects coming out in this draft?

Would we have a shot at one if the Jets finish with 10 or 11 wins?

10 or 11 wins would leave us drafting @ 15th spot maybe?

Do they hand the ball to Brett Ratliff?

Is KC even an option at this point?:confused:

Situation seems to be an 800lb gorilla in the room that is not spoken about.

If not adressed we could go from pretty good to lousy again real fast.

absolutely. and we draft him in the first round.

have him compete with ratliff for the starting job, and trade clemens away for a 5th or 4th rounder.

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All it takes is a horrible combine by one of the top 3 and they'd drop to where the Jets should be drafting. Watching all three of them play (Stafford in particular), shows a lot more than any combine can, but as always a poor one will lead to a big drop in the 1st round.

Personally, I'm hoping for Stafford, but wouldn't have a problem with Harrell either, after seeing him play last week.

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I just don't get the Ratliff love.

Did the guy demonstrate the ability to do anything besides throw a deep ball to wide open receivers?

Yeah, I liked his pocket presence...unlike this guy out of Oregon that some fans had a man love for. Whatever happened to that poster from Oregon who said he was a Jets fan first when challenged...gone. Guess he was more a Clemens fan after all.

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Yeah, I liked his pocket presence...unlike this guy out of Oregon that some fans had a man love for. Whatever happened to that poster from Oregon who said he was a Jets fan first when challenged...gone. Guess he was more a Clemens fan after all.

Ok. But I think you need quite a bit more than 'better than Clemens' to be considered the future of the organization. Especially if Clemens is as bad as you say he is.

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Ok. But I think you need quite a bit more than 'better than Clemens' to be considered the future of the organization. Especially if Clemens is as bad as you say he is.

I don't know how bad Clemens is to be honest. I just don't like the fact that the kid had the chance to really put his brand on the QB position and failed to do so.

Hey, I could be wrong about Brett Jr.; it's just a gut feeling I have that this kid is going to be our big surprise once Brett Sr. leaves.

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Their best bet would be to wait till the next draft to get a QB unless someone falls in their laps. They'll most likely not have a high enough pick to have a real shot at a top QB so it'd be in their best interest to fill other holes like safety. The next class looks pretty good assuming not all the juniors come out and they can make a move then. Also, it would give them a season to confirm what they have in Clemens and Ratliff before investing in a top rookie QB.

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I just don't get the Ratliff love.

Did the guy demonstrate the ability to do anything besides throw a deep ball to wide open receivers?

It's WAY to early to anoint Ratliff any kind of savior, but actually he did show more then a big arm. In the first pre season game, the one he threw the two TD's to Clowney, the third drive, which resulted in a FG was a great QB drive.

Ratliff was 9-12 in a 17 play drive that took 8:06 off the board. It was a beautiful drive for a young QB. The Browns weren't giving him anything long, because of the bomb he threw to Clowney in his first one play drive. He stood in the pocket and took what they gave them. Making reads, and throwing the ball underneath, instead of throwing the ball into coverage because of his previous success.

He did that all game until in the 4th quarter when the Browns starting cheating up to take away the short ball, and he read the defense again, and hooked up with Clowney long again for another long TD.

I'm not saying that he is clearly a future franchise QB, but you can't ask any more form a young QB then what he showed in that game. Keep in mind that in that game Clemens only played in one series, and Ratliff took over when the Browns first and 2nd string was still on the field.

I'm excited about this kid myself.

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Many... MANY of the QBs that have surfaced over the past 2 decades were 2nd/3rd stringers before they eventually stepped in and made names for themselves.

Kellen Clemens could very well still pan out, he didn't belong on the field last year... but that doesn't mean he won't ever be a starting QB in the league. Give him another year or so, as long as there isn't tremendous turnover on the team and he has the chance to work with the same QB coach, OC and personnel... he has a shot at maturing, and eventually "getting it."

I'd say the same for Ratliff.

We don't need to worry about this stuff now. Next year, if Brett leaves. There'll be options. I'd rather talk about what it'd take to have Brett come back!

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