Klecko73isGod Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Down one on the road, given a second life after one of the worst penalties I've ever seen, Herm goes for two and fails, miserably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 It wasn't a horrible call at all. They had a much better chance to win that game on that play than they did to drive and win it in OT. They had nothing to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 herm for once made the right call his team is going nowhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 there are thousands of bad calls by Herm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 herm for once made the right call his team is going nowhere Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Right call. Bad execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Shanahan made the same call against the Chargers earlier in the year. His team made the points, so he's called a genius. Herm misses, so he's a dumbass. All depends on the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab13 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Let's just be happy he's wearing red and not green. Saw Dick Curl the 'clock manager' behind him when they were planning their strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 It was a great call IMO and I was stunned when I saw him of all people make it. The playcall? Just absolutely shocking. Doubt that's on Herm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjfan Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Shoulda kicked the FG IMO. Win the game like a "good" team would. Not any of this all or nothing high hopes BS. Go for a legit style win like it matters...losers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 The Chiefs are going nowhere so to me it was a good risk to take to try to win the game right there. Can not blame Herm for this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Why is it a bad call? His team is 1-7, they arn't making the postseason, so why not go for the win? That was one of the very few times I actually agreed with Herm and thought he made an excellent call. No reason to prolong that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Down one on the road, given a second life after one of the worst penalties I've ever seen, Herm goes for two and fails, miserably. I ran the decision tree through the Klogic interpretor 2000 and it said "Horrible Call" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 It was a great call, especially when you consider how well Thigpen and Gonzo are playing, and the fact that they had already screwed up another PAT earlier in the game. Herm probably figured they'd just screw it up again. It's better to fail on a 2 pt conversion than to fail on the PAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 That was one of the few good gutsy calls he has ever made... all of his mistakes... this doesnt even come close to being bad... You picked the wrong thing to bash him about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted November 10, 2008 Author Share Posted November 10, 2008 That was one of the few good gutsy calls he has ever made... all of his mistakes... this doesnt even come close to being bad... You picked the wrong thing to bash him about. Awful call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 It was a great call IMO and I was stunned when I saw him of all people make it. The playcall? Just absolutely shocking. Doubt that's on Herm. The TD killed me, the 2 pt play would have hurt me for another 5 in fantasy, so I was happy to see that playcall hehe 1 option is just a terrible play.. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Edwards is doing just enough to have the Hunt family plausibly give him another chance in 2009. He doesn't deserve anything, but he's made pals with Jason Whitlock( bright guy, but wrong about Edwards), convinced a good chunk of the rest of the KC press that Carl Peterson(who gave him his golden ticket out of NY) is the gad guy(and he may be) and made just enough games look close that with the injuries and few breaks it might be different. It wouldn't. The man is a dolt, but a sharp one when it comes to keeping a corner office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Shanahan made the same call against the Chargers earlier in the year. His team made the points, so he's called a genius. Herm misses, so he's a dumbass. All depends on the outcome. Totally different. San Diego couldn't stop Denver's offense and Denver couldn't stop San Diego's offense. It was a situation, in that game, that (pretty much) whoever had the ball was going to score on every drive. In that case, it's better to put the ball in your own hands than risk it going to the other team via a coin toss. Herm's offense was nowhere near as good as Denver's was in week 2, and San Diego's defense is better than it was in week 2. Herm took points off the board for his own team & they lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Totally different. San Diego couldn't stop Denver's offense and Denver couldn't stop San Diego's offense. It was a situation, in that game, that (pretty much) whoever had the ball was going to score on every drive. In that case, it's better to put the ball in your own hands than risk it going to the other team via a coin toss. Herm's offense was nowhere near as good as Denver's was in week 2, and San Diego's defense is better than it was in week 2. Herm took points off the board for his own team & they lost. I sh1t on herm as much as anyone, but when your 1 and 7, a 16 pt dog, 2 pt conversions are hitting close to 50%, same as flip of the coin, i have no issue with it, the play called blew but going for it was the right thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 I sh1t on herm as much as anyone, but when your 1 and 7, a 16 pt dog, 2 pt conversions are hitting close to 50%, same as flip of the coin, i have no issue with it, the play called blew but going for it was the right thing to do. Defending Herm is one of the first signs of senility setting in. I'm just stating a fact; don't hate on the messenger when you reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Defending Herm is one of the first signs of senility setting in. I'm just stating a fact; don't hate on the messenger when you reply. heh i hope it saves his job, the NFL needs Herm's comedy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 heh i hope it saves his job, the NFL needs Herm's comedy I agree 100% (but only since he's not our problem anymore). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 I sh1t on herm as much as anyone, but when your 1 and 7, a 16 pt dog, 2 pt conversions are hitting close to 50%, same as flip of the coin, i have no issue with it, the play called blew but going for it was the right thing to do. Agreed. I thought that call gave the Chiefs the best chance to win. It's highly likely that they would've lost in overtime anyway.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscode1 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 I sh1t on herm as much as anyone, but when your 1 and 7, a 16 pt dog, 2 pt conversions are hitting close to 50%, same as flip of the coin, i have no issue with it, the play called blew but going for it was the right thing to do. ESPN's Chris Mortensen quoted the two-point conversion numbers at 115 out of 231 the past four years. Pretty much a coin toss... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 ESPN's Chris Mortensen quoted the two-point conversion numbers at 115 out of 231 the past four years. Pretty much a coin toss... So mathematically it was a dumb move. And that's why teams don't generally do it when they can tie the game up. Even if they lost the coin toss in overtime, that doesn't mean San Diego wins; they'd still have to score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 This is what I hate the most about this message board. We focus so much on Hermen ****ing Edwards, who cares about him and his 1 win team. Please, we need to stop thinking about that guy, who cares. WHOOO CARESSSSS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason423 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 I thought it was a gutsy call by Herm and the kind of call that keeps your team together even in another losing situation. He knew his defense wasnt going to stop the Chargers again and that the team will never have a better chance of winning than having one play to convert for 2 yards. Plus he still had 1 onside kick chance. Its easy to second guess him since the Chiefs cant run and had a hard time just getting into the end zone in the first place(plus the playcall itself was bad) but I like that call much better than his go for a FG down by 30+ points that he usually does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Agreed. I thought that call gave the Chiefs the best chance to win. It's highly likely that they would've lost in overtime anyway.. I agree. For a 1-7 team, I make the same call. If it doesn't work out, so what? At the end of the day, they took their shot and said, 'we're not going to lose based on a coin toss'. If KC was in a playoff hunt, and all things were equal, then I think you play it safe... but with nothing but one more meaningless win on the line, why not try to take it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 I thought it was a gutsy call by Herm and the kind of call that keeps your team together even in another losing situation. He knew his defense wasnt going to stop the Chargers again and that the team will never have a better chance of winning than having one play to convert for 2 yards. Plus he still had 1 onside kick chance. Its easy to second guess him since the Chiefs cant run and had a hard time just getting into the end zone in the first place(plus the playcall itself was bad) but I like that call much better than his go for a FG down by 30+ points that he usually does. When you think about it that way, it almost seems like you have to go for it. What's your best chance of winning? Moving the ball 2 yards -or- win a coin toss, then move the ball 40 yards, then convert the FG -or- lose a coin toss, stop a team from moving the ball 40 yards, then move the ball 40-50 yards, convert the FG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscode1 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 So mathematically it was a dumb move. And that's why teams don't generally do it when they can tie the game up. Even if they lost the coin toss in overtime, that doesn't mean San Diego wins; they'd still have to score. Just saying it was a toss up...just like the OT coin flip...winner wins 55% or some such number...not an atrocious call from Herm but I won't defend him either...rewarding Thigpen with an opportunity was the wrong message...seems to me he should have rewarded his defense with an opportunity to win in OT. In comparision to Shanahan whose offense was on a roll and he correctly guessed the Chargers couldn't/wouldn't stop them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 So mathematically it was a dumb move. And that's why teams don't generally do it when they can tie the game up. Even if they lost the coin toss in overtime, that doesn't mean San Diego wins; they'd still have to score. I think a 16 point road dog has less then a 50/50 chance of winning on OT... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Shanahan made the same call against the Chargers earlier in the year. His team made the points, so he's called a genius. Herm misses, so he's a dumbass. All depends on the outcome. Shanny also did it at home, which is just really bad strategy. Herm did it on the road with a team that has nothing to lose. Any way you slice it, Shanahan's call was not smart. The fact they made it just covered that fact up. For how much I despise Herm, I can't fault him here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetman_67 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Hermy just may sink lower than the level set by Kotite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.E.T.S. JETS JETS JETS Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 This is what I hate the most about this message board. We focus so much on Hermen ****ing Edwards, who cares about him and his 1 win team. Please, we need to stop thinking about that guy, who cares. WHOOO CARESSSSS!!! Exactly who cares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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