Kerry Rhodes Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 So you want to know if things are really changed here? You'll know thursday. What would the Same old Jets do? -They will lose the game in the 4th quarter in New England. Theyll keep it close all game but in the 4th qauter there run defense will look poor, short passing defense look horrible, and Favre will end it with a INT. They'll be clearly outcoached -Theyll then lose to Tennesee by alot after the let down of New England. They'll finish the game missing the playoffs by one game before Favre retires. Same Ol Jets ----------------------------------------------------------- So what would need to happen to confirm we may be this team that we all hoped for ? A team that has SuperBowl upside. -We go into New England and run on them. In DVOA we have the third ranked running game in the NFL which accounts for strong/weak opponents. So if we are not frauds, we will be able to run it...The Wetter, and the Colder the better right? Because our ground game "Is better then theres"---If we can't run on them, we are losing the game. Its that simple. Theres been no indication Favre can win a game against a team like NE by himself. -We stop the run ALL GAME. New England's running game is very overrated, and they kind of have Denver's type success where you could just throw in anyone and he will run on you.....We have a top 5 run defense right? So how did Lamont Jordan look so good in the 4th quarter last time we played? -We will Play up. We will Bump and Run at times. Think about how many deep passes Cassel has completed (A handful tops)....Remember Randy Moss wide open and the ball no where near him? ......Dont do your standard bend, but dont break defense because the NE pass game matches up great for it. -Blitz more then you have all season---New England is one the leagues worst in pass protection giving up 30 sacks. Thats with the majority of their passes being short, and safe. This isn't the team to blitz once in a while--Blitz them all day long. Do not rush 3. New England matches up very well with us. On defense if they stop the run and put the game on Favre's shoulders we will likely lose(Which is what their built for). On offense there short passing game matches up perfect for our bend, but dont break defense. But I think we have more talent them then, and its our time to win. You could tell this team is hungry, and they want this bad. Remember Ellis slamming his helmet last time we faced them? This feels like our time. So in the end Will this be the same old Jets? I think this is the biggest game we have had since the Steeler playoff game. And yes, that counts the playoff game in NE..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Basically get beat up on the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. That's the Jets football I'm used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 IMO this is the 'same ol Jets' until they prove me wrong. Please prove me wrong Thursday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 New England matches up very well with us. On defense if they stop the run and put the game on Favre's shoulders we will likely lose(Which is what their built for). On offense there short passing game matches up perfect for our bend, but dont break defense. But I think we have more talent them then, and its our time to win. You could tell this team is hungry, and they want this bad. Remember Ellis slamming his helmet last time we faced them? This feels like our time. Good post. Especially this part in regards to match ups. Good call out. I was just reading an article on CHFF about how NE leads the league in 10 play drives partially due to Cassell being Pennington like in his mastery over the short passing game. On the flip side, NE can shut down our running game and has the confusing coverages to confuse our QB who sometimes doesn't like to think to much.. Could be trouble for us on both sides.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 How did we win the last game against Brady? We blitzed and blitzed. We threw the kitchen sink at him. We even did that formation where we have no set lineman. If Brady couldn't figure that out, how the hell would Cassel ever know what that meant? I think we should try it on at least 1 3rd and long situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason423 Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Excellent post. I actually think the same old Jets would lose this week 20-10 and get beat up like we did in week 2 and then go out and win the next week in Tennessee just to pull the strings of emotion on all of us who give up after another non-show in New England. My biggest worry this week is the coaching. Mangini outcoaches himself in these games and I think gets goaded into some macho contest with his old boss too often. Instead of blitzing Cassel in week 2 his gameplan was the "we'll show you we dont need to do anything special...we can cover your guys". Instead of throwing the ball or running outside at the goal, which is where the Pats are weak, he decides that hell show the Patriots they can just push them up the gut into the end zone. Do you think Belichick would run right into Jenkins in the same spot? No. The Jets simply have to keep New England from converting on third downs. You do that by forcing them into 2nd and 3rd and longs by putting the QB on his behind. If NE doesnt convert they dont hold the ball 35 minutes a game and the defense cant keep teams in check for that long. You can thump them if you dont let them convert on third and hold the ball forever. On paper the Jets are the better team. If the Pats and Jets played the exact same schedule there is no doubt in my mind the Jets finish with the better record. But put those two teams on the same field and the Jets go into a shell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 If we win tomorrow, the same ol' Jets BS should be thrown out the window. With or without Brady, beating in New England is hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 I really think this is the game that erases that "same old Jets" mentality. I am very confident. I am also unbelievably hyper and obsessed with this game. I have to calm down, or I am going to have a heart attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GFJET33 Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Although this may sound absurd, I think we should go very light on the blitzing. If anyone remembers how cassel beat us in week 2, and what he has done for the majority of the season, its short, high percentage passes. If we throw a lot of blitzes at him and he's in a 3 step drop, he should have no problem throwing those quick slants over the middle, and those quick screens to welker which always seem to kill us. But throw that Rhodes/Elam blitz off the blind side here and there, good chance for a fumble. We need to jam their WRs, none of this 8-10 yard cushion garbage at the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Good post KR. I think the word for the game is "pressure." The Jets never touched Cassel in the week 2 game. The Jets never seemed to put the pressure on him with blitzes. In the Jets 2 biggest blowouts and against the Bills, the Jets brought pressure with different looks and blitzes. I don't care if the Pats stop the run and put the game in Favre's hands. If the Jets fail to beat him Cassel (the most sacked QB in the NFL), chances are the Jets will lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
914-ny Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 On paper the Jets are the better team. If the Pats and Jets played the exact same schedule there is no doubt in my mind the Jets finish with the better record. But put those two teams on the same field and the Jets go into a shell. This made me think a lil too much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Excellent post. I actually think the same old Jets would lose this week 20-10 and get beat up like we did in week 2 and then go out and win the next week in Tennessee just to pull the strings of emotion on all of us who give up after another non-show in New England. My biggest worry this week is the coaching. Mangini outcoaches himself in these games and I think gets goaded into some macho contest with his old boss too often. Instead of blitzing Cassel in week 2 his gameplan was the "we'll show you we dont need to do anything special...we can cover your guys". Instead of throwing the ball or running outside at the goal, which is where the Pats are weak, he decides that hell show the Patriots they can just push them up the gut into the end zone. Do you think Belichick would run right into Jenkins in the same spot? No. The Jets simply have to keep New England from converting on third downs. You do that by forcing them into 2nd and 3rd and longs by putting the QB on his behind. If NE doesnt convert they dont hold the ball 35 minutes a game and the defense cant keep teams in check for that long. You can thump them if you dont let them convert on third and hold the ball forever. On paper the Jets are the better team. If the Pats and Jets played the exact same schedule there is no doubt in my mind the Jets finish with the better record. But put those two teams on the same field and the Jets go into a shell. Good stuff Jason. Said it better than I could. Kick the **** out of Cassel and win the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 On paper the Jets are the better team. If the Pats and Jets played the exact same schedule there is no doubt in my mind the Jets finish with the better record. But put those two teams on the same field and the Jets go into a shell. I agree completely. It's really time for the Jets to wake up and really ask themselves, are we really going to lose to these guys again? It's all about eliminating the 'mystique' of the Patriots. Because minus that, they don't really look so tough against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Although this may sound absurd, I think we should go very light on the blitzing. If anyone remembers how cassel beat us in week 2, and what he has done for the majority of the season, its short, high percentage passes. If we throw a lot of blitzes at him and he's in a 3 step drop, he should have no problem throwing those quick slants over the middle, and those quick screens to welker which always seem to kill us. But throw that Rhodes/Elam blitz off the blind side here and there, good chance for a fumble. We need to jam their WRs, none of this 8-10 yard cushion garbage at the line. While I agree on the cushion issue, the Jets laid off the blitz, tried to occupy the passing lanes and still got thrown on. Remember, Cassel is the most sacked QB in the NFL. Teams are hitting him. He needs to be hit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 I agree completely. It's really time for the Jets to wake up and really ask themselves, are we really going to lose to these guys again? It's all about eliminating the 'mystique' of the Patriots. Because minus that, they don't really look so tough against us. Yep. The Jets are 1-11 in their last 12 games against the Pats and Mangini is 1-5 against them. It's about time the Jets do something about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 Yep. The Jets are 1-11 in their last 12 games against the Pats and Mangini is 1-5 against them. It's about time the Jets do something about that. That's why this game is so important. The Titans game doesn't mean squat compared to this. The Jets have to exorcise this demon once and for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 That's why this game is so important. The Titans game doesn't mean squat compared to this. The Jets have to exorcise this demon once and for all. Maynard gets it. Why doesn't everyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Yep. The Jets are 1-11 in their last 12 games against the Pats and Mangini is 1-5 against them. It's about time the Jets do something about that. That is a brutal number. Just brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Maynard gets it. Why doesn't everyone? heh, if EM doesn't get it done, run the bus over his arse No F'n excuses,,,he has better team!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 What would Ray Lucas do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 same ol jets would come out trying to run it fall behind 2 scores turn it over trying to come back get it to within 3-4 pts late come up short at the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillerPaul Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 This is a very good thread IMO. Alot of insight and it gives me much better understanding of you Jets fans. It's cool to see you guys excited this much too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ37/12 Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Excellent post. I actually think the same old Jets would lose this week 20-10 and get beat up like we did in week 2 and then go out and win the next week in Tennessee just to pull the strings of emotion on all of us who give up after another non-show in New England. My biggest worry this week is the coaching. Mangini outcoaches himself in these games and I think gets goaded into some macho contest with his old boss too often. Instead of blitzing Cassel in week 2 his gameplan was the "we'll show you we dont need to do anything special...we can cover your guys". Instead of throwing the ball or running outside at the goal, which is where the Pats are weak, he decides that hell show the Patriots they can just push them up the gut into the end zone. Do you think Belichick would run right into Jenkins in the same spot? No. The Jets simply have to keep New England from converting on third downs. You do that by forcing them into 2nd and 3rd and longs by putting the QB on his behind. If NE doesnt convert they dont hold the ball 35 minutes a game and the defense cant keep teams in check for that long. You can thump them if you dont let them convert on third and hold the ball forever. On paper the Jets are the better team. If the Pats and Jets played the exact same schedule there is no doubt in my mind the Jets finish with the better record. But put those two teams on the same field and the Jets go into a shell. no doubt, great post Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 -They will lose the game in the 4th quarter in New England. Theyll keep it close all game but in the 4th qauter there run defense will look poor, short passing defense look horrible, and Favre will end it with a INT. They'll be clearly outcoached **** ****ity **** ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Yep. The Jets are 1-11 in their last 12 games against the Pats and Mangini is 1-5 against them. It's about time the Jets do something about that. Exactly, and we have to look back to see what was done in those rare instances where the Jets did play the Patriots well. Even last year when the Jets did a better job than any other team in the league in containing the Patriots offense (even if the Jets O did nothing that game). In both that game and the win in 2006, the Jets did something they have looked scared to do in most of their games over the past 6 years. They took the game to the Patriots. Granted in both games, the Jets ended up having some poor weather that worked in their favor, but it sounds like the Jets have the very same situation in the making for tomorrow. And even still, the weather forced them to play more the kind of game against the Patriots they should have been playing anyway. In the 2006 win, they simply were more physical than the Patriots. On offense they pounded the ball and drove with the running game, with Kevan Barlow of all people and on defense, they pressured Brady and put him on his back again and again. The game ending strip-sack by Ellis really perfectly summarized how the Jets played that game. And that is the way teams beat the Patriots, its the only way its been done for years now. When teams play off and let the Patriots come to them, the Patriots will absolutely pick you apart no matter how well you think you've got your bases covered, they will always take the time to find your weaknesses and exploit it, on both sides of the ball. But if you can take the Patriots out of their comfort zone, and don't allow them to be in control, its a whole different game. This is a team you have to put on its heels from the get go and not let get comfortable. Its the reason that I felt the Week 2 game was doomed from the second the Jets opened the game with a good offensive drive that gained 0 points and then immediately gave up a score. The Patriots were fully in control and the Jets allowed them to be from that moment on. These Jets are a good team. They can beat the Patriots, I've never felt more certain than that in the past many years. But the question is will they. The Patriots are going to be the same team we've seen for years now no matter who steps on the field tomorrow, that's what their whole deal is, the difference will be what Jets team shows up to play them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Interesting point about the weather working in our favor. It certainly did in 2006 and 2007 when they had the vastly superior squad. This year our players are better, I kind of wish for better weather to really take it to them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason423 Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Interesting point about the weather working in our favor. It certainly did in 2006 and 2007 when they had the vastly superior squad. This year our players are better, I kind of wish for better weather to really take it to them.. I think the weather was actually a big deal for New England last season and in particular Randy Moss. Moss hates the cold and has always gone invisible the last month or so of the year as soon as he has had to go outside and away from the comfort of the dome. With less reliance on Moss I think the cold weather will benefit New England much more than it did last year where they were over reliant on attacking down the field. Their play dropped off tremendously from December onward and that includes the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Yep. The Jets are 1-11 in their last 12 games against the Pats and Mangini is 1-5 against them. It's about time the Jets do something about that. Umm... No. Mangini is 1-5 against the Pats actually. 1-2 in '06 0-2 in '07 0-1 in '08 so far TOTAL: 1 - 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Yep. The Jets are 1-11 in their last 12 games against the Pats and Mangini is 1-5 against them. It's about time the Jets do something about that. Umm... No. Mangini is 1-5 against the Pats actually. 1-2 in '06 0-2 in '07 0-1 in '08 so far TOTAL: 1 - 5 :confused0058: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Umm... No. Mangini is 1-5 against the Pats actually. 1-2 in '06 0-2 in '07 0-1 in '08 so far TOTAL: 1 - 5 you showed him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Last year we can give Mangini a pass, it's not like anybody else beat the Pats in the regular season. As far as I am concerned, the Jets are 0-1 against the Pats right now. We've never had the horses until right now. We're going to make it 1-1 after this game...I hope. Same 'ole Jets would really suck. You have to expect it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.E.T.S. JETS JETS JETS Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 If we win tomorrow, the same ol' Jets BS should be thrown out the window. With or without Brady, beating in New England is hard. I agree there and that's what I'm looking forward too. To put an end to that same ol' jets crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenReaper Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 You know what the SOJ's would've done last Sunday? Snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Cause at 5-4, that would assure the Jets of not having the pressure on them to face the Pats in Foxboro, for the AFCE, and a clear road to a second seed with a bye in the playoffs. So what did the Jets do last Sunday against the Rams? They shouted to all of the NFL and its fans what they were all about. They screamed it at the top of their lungs, by quickly dismantling the Rams to the tune of a 40-0 wipeout lead at halftime. They want in at 6-3. Is there any better way to tell their Jets fans and the Pats, that they want to go to Foxboro and settle the AFCE? I think the only ones who seem to know that the Jets are confident and focused; on a mission for the AFCE, 2nd seed, and a playoff bye, are those players in that Jets lockeroom. Players lead by Favre, Faneca, D'Woody, TJ, Jenkins. These players don't understand this SOJ stuff. Don't buy into the local rag-writers' negativity that inkdrips into the morning papers they read with their coffee. They're pleased to be so fortunate to compete for all thats on the table. The AFCE, AFC, and the Supe. They're going to Foxboro to secure that first important leg of their AFC goals...the AFCE. That's what the Jets are going to do this Thursday. Not the 5-4 SOJs...but the 6-3 J.E.T.S...JETS!...JETS!!...JETS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 same ol jets would come out trying to run it fall behind 2 scores turn it over trying to come back get it to within 3-4 pts late come up short at the end well boys what do we call them now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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