Jetlag Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Hands down has got to be that retarded run up on the middle on third down when a first down wins the game. I was screaming at the TV for them to throw the ball there. Mangini/Schotty's balls completely shriveled up there. That REALLY pissed me off. Hopefully, now that they've gotten over this hump they will learn to loosen up in those crucial situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Hands down has got to be that retarded run up on the middle on third down when a first down wins the game. I was screaming at the TV for them to throw the ball there. Mangini/Schotty's balls completely shriveled up there. That REALLY pissed me off. Hopefully, now that they've gotten over this hump they will learn to loosen up in those crucial situations. But Favre was only completing 80% of his passes. You are right. I'd rather go for it with a pass, than rely on this team's prevent defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Can we not complain today It's a great day..be happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 But Favre was only completing 80% of his passes. You are right. I'd rather go for it with a pass, than rely on this team's prevent defense. the problem is you DO NOT gointo a prevent defense ever. i hate chris collinsworth, but he was right. the onlt thing it does is prevent you form winning. the fact that our gameplan was to let cassell sit back in the pocket and pick us apart was the stupidest thing i've ever seen. mangini is an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Hands down has got to be that retarded run up on the middle on third down when a first down wins the game. I was screaming at the TV for them to throw the ball there. Mangini/Schotty's balls completely shriveled up there. That REALLY pissed me off. Hopefully, now that they've gotten over this hump they will learn to loosen up in those crucial situations. Yet if the pass had been a pick 6 you'd still be starting this thread calling the CS retards for the pass. Well you or someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I disagree. You play the percentages and take as much time off the clock as possible. If Favre throws an incompletion, the clock stops, and the Pats chances of tying the game go up significantly. It's much easier to mount a comeback with 2 minutes left than it is with 1 minute left. The ground game was working and I think at that point you put the game on your players' shoulders to get a two yard push and execute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Can we not complain today It's a great day..be happy Some never can Jon. Isn't even 12 hrs. since the win. It's really sad isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted November 14, 2008 Author Share Posted November 14, 2008 Yet if the pass had been a pick 6 you'd still be starting this thread calling the CS retards for the pass. Well you or someone else. Not true. I would of been ok with ANY play that would have at least given them a chance at a first down. We all knew that running up the middle had no shot what so ever. First down in that spot wins the game. I had to get this off my chest. /crying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I don't know why we don't punt on third down. What if we screw up the snap on 4th down? Gotta play the percentages! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I disagree. You play the percentages and take as much time off the clock as possible. If Favre throws an incompletion, the clock stops, and the Pats chances of tying the game go up significantly. It's much easier to mount a comeback with 2 minutes left than it is with 1 minute left. The ground game was working and I think at that point you put the game on your players' shoulders to get a two yard push and execute. Why not spread them out atleast? Haven't we figured out running when all bunched up, especially to Seymours side, isn't exactly a high percentage play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Some never can Jon. Isn't even 12 hrs. since the win. It's really sad isn't it. oh i'm happy we won. i'm sad that our head coach is a fat imbecille who should not be coaching an nfl team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Why not spread them out atleast? Haven't we figured out running when all bunched up, especially to Seymours side, isn't exactly a high percentage play? Sure it is! So is playing prevent defense against a guy that can't complete a pass over 10 yards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Some never can Jon. Isn't even 12 hrs. since the win. It's really sad isn't it. Too true. As I was watching I couldn't help but rue the selection of Gholston over Mayo. I was loving the game and proud of the Jets and thrilled to have Favre at QB in that spot instead of Penny, but as a lifelong Jet fan (I'm 45 and originally from Queens) I just couldn't shake at least a little feeling of disatisfaction. But in terms of playcalling I agree you have to run the ball in that situation. You are playing against the clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted November 14, 2008 Author Share Posted November 14, 2008 oh i'm happy we won. i'm sad that our head coach is a fat imbecille who should not be coaching an nfl team. Neckdemon, I think you're confusing stupidity with fear. It's not that they are stupid, if you want stupid look back to 2001-2005. Mangini still didn't doesn't have complete confidence in his team and doesn't like to let them go out and WIN the game. Luckily for us, this can be overcome. I'm hoping that winning tonight will prove to the CS that we have the talent to pull off "lower percentage" plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Too true. As I was watching I couldn't help but rue the selection of Gholston over Mayo. I was loving the game and proud of the Jets and thrilled to have Favre at QB in that spot instead of Penny, but as a lifelong Jet fan (I'm 45 and originally from Queens) I just couldn't shake at least a little feeling of disatisfaction. But in terms of playcalling I agree you have to run the ball in that situation. You are playing against the clock. They scored with a second remaining. In other words the plan failed. It was executed just the way you wanted it to be, and it failed. That's on the CS. Go get me footage of the Giants, Ravens or Steelers playing prevent. Don't worry, I'll wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 oh i'm happy we won. i'm sad that our head coach is a fat imbecille who should not be coaching an nfl team. would you rather have the genius on the other sideline who went for it on 4th and 3 from the Jets 23 with 2:40 left in the first half instead of kicking a FG that would have brought them to within 2 scores and a 2pt conversion.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Neckdemon, I think you're confusing stupidity with fear. It's not that they are stupid, if you want stupid look back to 2001-2005. Mangini still didn't doesn't have complete confidence in his team and doesn't like to let them go out and WIN the game. Luckily for us, this can be overcome. I'm hoping that winning tonight will prove to the CS that we have the talent to pull off "lower percentage" plays. 2001-2005? Didn't we make the playoffs 3 times? Why is Herm stupid when he had results? Yet somehow Mangini isn't because he got the result? That is very hypocritical and is a double standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen X Jet Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Calling a timeout at the end of the 4th Quarter on 4th and 1 to allow the Pats to draw up the Moss play was pretty egregious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 They scored with a second remaining. In other words the plan failed. It was executed just the way you wanted it to be, and it failed. That's on the CS. Go get me footage of the Giants, Ravens or Steelers playing prevent. Don't worry, I'll wait. Just because the plan failed doesn't mean it wasn't the best available plan. Moss made an incredible play. The Pats pass protected well all night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Hands down has got to be that retarded run up on the middle on third down when a first down wins the game. I was screaming at the TV for them to throw the ball there. Mangini/Schotty's balls completely shriveled up there. That REALLY pissed me off. Hopefully, now that they've gotten over this hump they will learn to loosen up in those crucial situations. They should have learned this along time ago. Its not going to change. And eventually their conservative puzzy play calling will cost us a big game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted November 14, 2008 Author Share Posted November 14, 2008 2001-2005? Didn't we make the playoffs 3 times? Why is Herm stupid when he had results? Yet somehow Mangini isn't because he got the result? That is very hypocritical and is a double standard. ??? Herm is an idiot. Fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 would you rather have the genius on the other sideline who went for it on 4th and 3 from the Jets 23 with 2:40 left in the first half instead of kicking a FG that would have brought them to within 2 scores and a 2pt conversion.... yes you know why? because look at the players this guy has lost this year. and yet he still managfes to field a team that looks like a legit contender time and time again. i hate the guy, and he may have cheated...but the man knows how to coach a football team and he knows hoe to put a consistent winner on the field. by all rights we shoudl have blown that team out of the water yesterday. you know why we didn't? because bellichick is 10x the football coach that mangini is. there is no other reason for it than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Just because the plan failed doesn't mean it wasn't the best available plan. Moss made an incredible play. The Pats pass protected well all night. not too hard to pass protect when you don't blitz at all.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 yes you know why? because look at the players this guy has lost this year. and yet he still managfes to field a team that looks like a legit contender time and time again. i hate the guy, and he may have cheated...but the man knows how to coach a football team and he knows hoe to put a consistent winner on the field. by all rights we shoudl have blown that team out of the water yesterday. you know why we didn't? because bellichick is 10x the football coach that mangini is. there is no other reason for it than that. That may be true now but no one was calling Belicheck a genius when he was coaching the Browns. Give Mangini time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 yes you know why? because look at the players this guy has lost this year. and yet he still managfes to field a team that looks like a legit contender time and time again. i hate the guy, and he may have cheated...but the man knows how to coach a football team and he knows hoe to put a consistent winner on the field. by all rights we shoudl have blown that team out of the water yesterday. you know why we didn't? because bellichick is 10x the football coach that mangini is. there is no other reason for it than that. Yet the genius made a boneheaded call going for it on 4th down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 They should have learned this along time ago. Its not going to change. And eventually their conservative puzzy play calling will cost us a big game. It could have cost us this one, but we got lucky. We needed to win that coin toss, and then convert that 3rd and 15, where we threw a 13 yard pass and Keller just made an outstanding play. What are the percentages on that? 90% of the time the reciever is tackled short of the first down, and you have to punt. I just don't know how we will ever win a Super Bowl, because at the least you have to win 3 straight games against really good teams to win a championship. We probably will need 4, and I just don't see it happening right now. It is really annoying, because this team definitely has the talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Yet the genius made a boneheaded call going for it on 4th down... And he got the ball back, and then got the score to tie it. You call it a boneheaded play because you only look at the result. You can't do that. There is a reason BB has 3 SB wins with the Pats and is 6-4 with a HS QB. Because more often than not, his decisions are correct. Nobody is going to be 100% on their calls, but the difference is that while BB might fail occasionally, Mangini's decisions are 90% failure rates. Like 3rd and 2 run up the gut, with the other team having a TO to stop the clock. You maybe run it if they DON'T have that TO, but if they do, you're just leaving them too much time and it's a bad move. He makes a ton of bad decisions like that, where he is playing to not try to lose. BB tries to win, and usually does so. Just really worrisome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 That may be true now but no one was calling Belicheck a genius when he was coaching the Browns. Give Mangini time. Actually he was, the spin was a genius defensive coordinator who couldn't handle the top spot.. Comparing Mangini to beli is ridiculous, Belichick made his bones as a coordinator and earned the promotion. Mangini was promoted cause we were green with envy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawngnome o-line Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Running on that play is the EXACT CORRECT call in that situation. Running up the middle might not be...I'd say a sweep with Leon, and hope he gets to the outside...either way he stays inbounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.E.T.S. JETS JETS JETS Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Can we not complain today It's a great day..be happy I agree it is a very great day. I'm not complaining about nothing just enjoying this win for our first place JETS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Running on that play is the EXACT CORRECT call in that situation. Running up the middle might not be...I'd say a sweep with Leon, and hope he gets to the outside...either way he stays inbounds it doesn't have to be. how about a play-action bootleg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 I'm watching the game now and there's 2:33 left in the 1st half and Belichick opts out of a FG try and Cassell gets sacked...that FG would have won them the game...say what you want about our coaching staff WE weren't the team to leave points on the field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 Why not spread them out atleast? Haven't we figured out running when all bunched up, especially to Seymours side, isn't exactly a high percentage play? Thats what my thoughts were... I was hoping for spreading wide like we were going to throw, and giving that inside handoff to Leon. However, I dont blame them for running the ball in that situation the way they did... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Malax Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 because bellichick is 10x the football coach that mangini is. there is no other reason for it than that. And he lost to Mangini last night. He was outcoached. *He went for it on fourth and short instead of a FG *His team couldn't keep our special teams from establishing great field position *His team STILL can't stop the wildcat *He ran it on 3rd and 5 with Morris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 And he got the ball back, and then got the score to tie it. You call it a boneheaded play because you only look at the result. You can't do that. There is a reason BB has 3 SB wins with the Pats and is 6-4 with a HS QB. Because more often than not, his decisions are correct. Nobody is going to be 100% on their calls, but the difference is that while BB might fail occasionally, Mangini's decisions are 90% failure rates. Like 3rd and 2 run up the gut, with the other team having a TO to stop the clock. You maybe run it if they DON'T have that TO, but if they do, you're just leaving them too much time and it's a bad move. He makes a ton of bad decisions like that, where he is playing to not try to lose. BB tries to win, and usually does so. Just really worrisome. It was a bonehead play when he went for it. If Mangini did that, you guys would be relentless. Yet because he's a genius there is no mention anywhere how dumb it was. Dont get me wrong, I was not happy with the playcalling in the 2nd half. I have my doubts about Mangini and coaches to devise a solid 60 minute gameplan. But, even great coaches like Belichick still do dumb things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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